Ephesians 5:25-33[quote]25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her, 26so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, 27that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she would be holy and blameless. 28So husbands ought also to love their own wives as their own bodies. He who loves his own wife loves himself; 29for no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ also does the church, 30because we are members of His body. 31FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND SHALL BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH. 32This mystery is great; but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church. 33Nevertheless, each individual among you also is to love his own wife even as himself, and the wife must see to it that she respects her husband. [/quote]
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sex_girls_pictures_hot_pics_photo_women/keepin_it_tight_for_you_baby
I know this is a in-depth discussion and I am just an outsider, but there are a couple scriptures that come to mind (given that we are quoting the Bible at this particular time)
Matt 7:6
“Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.”
Gal 6:7
“Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap.”
Rom 12:3
“For through the undeserved kindness given to me I tell everyone there among you not to think more of himself than it is necessary to think; but to think so as to have a sound mind, each one as God has distributed to him a measure of faith.”
Push-
from your post in http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sex_girls_pictures_hot_pics_photo_women/morality_of_sex
Except for these six places:
Son_4:8 Come with me from Lebanon, my spouse, with me from Lebanon: look from the top of Amana, from the top of Shenir and Hermon, from the lions’ dens, from the mountains of the leopards.
Son_4:9 Thou hast ravished my heart, my sister, my spouse; thou hast ravished my heart with one of thine eyes, with one chain of thy neck.
Son_4:10 How fair is thy love, my sister, my spouse! how much better is thy love than wine! and the smell of thine ointments than all spices!
Son_4:11 Thy lips, O my spouse, drop as the honeycomb: honey and milk are under thy tongue; and the smell of thy garments is like the smell of Lebanon.
Son_4:12 A garden inclosed is my sister, my spouse; a spring shut up, a fountain sealed.
Son_5:1 I am come into my garden, my sister, my spouse: I have gathered my myrrh with my spice; I have eaten my honeycomb with my honey; I have drunk my wine with my milk: eat, O friends; drink, yea, drink abundantly, O beloved.
The underlining is mine.
Alright, lets get one thing straight tirib-- I am not asking you to play disciple for me. I don’t want you to do it, and I certainly don’t want you as a mentor. . IF, however, you want to have a conversation as two separate people who happen to have a deep conversation, you can get that. that dialogue you keep claiming to want and answers that you want concerning my individual life and beliefs, then you can do it via PM. I don’t want you or anyone else I don’t know in real, personal life to try “discipling” me. Got it? My life is mine to keep private or public as I see fit, the very least you could do is respect that choice of mine, about my life, instead of scolding me for it. You don’t know how I live in my personal life. You don’t know what I believe in my personal life, nor have you ever bothered to do anything but make assumptions about that based on something you read in an internet forum. Lastly, I did not intend to accuse you of making PMs public, I merely wanted to have that out of the way so we were clear on what I consider private, ok?
If that doesn’t suit you, then kindly stow any attempts to scold me about what parts of my life I want to make internet fodder.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Quick Ben wrote:<<< Tirib was calling out Pushharder for the lifestyle that he leads his wife in. >>>[/quote]Every time. It truly and literally breaks my heart. (I have shed real live tears) For my Jesus first who’s covenants are desecrated and defiled and for the women herself. Her willing participation is entirely irrelevant as I have also stated. Once more. There are thousands of people living in rank immorality on this website. He is the only one who attempts to claim that the holy spotless Lamb of God is glorified by his treating his wife like a whore and encouraging all these young people in their sin. THAT is the difference for me. People who see me attacking his wife are seeing what they wanna see. I quite literally have more love and respect for her than he does.
I have never divulged one syllable of what someone has told me in a PM without clearing it with them first. I would submit to a slow torturous death first. However, Aragorn? I’m not closing the door, but I also don’t see myself playing stealth disciple with you either. Many of my heroes died gruesome deaths for the Lord of glory. Your unwillingness to openly declare your views is less than even Push will do. As horrifyingly wrong as he is. I will probably send you at least one though. I’ve been meaning to anyway. Probably not even close to what you think.
I have a further comment, I’ve been praying on about this episode that will have to wait. Legs now, work later. [/quote]
[quote]pushharder wrote:
I do remember that early in the book it’s indicated the Shulamite woman was still his fiance and later became one of his 63 wives (and 87 concubines). So while he was writing the Song he was already married to other women and had a harem. Point being the Shulamite woman was not even his first wife so one CANNOT point to Solomon and say, “But yeah, that woman was his first wife and he sinned by taking all the other wives and girlfriends later.”[/quote]
I don’t see this supported anywhere in the text.
[quote]And yet God honored that relationship by inspiring him to write the greatest love and sex poem ever about himself and her.
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David was a murderer, but was still honored by allowing to write Psalms.
Israel was a backsliding and often idolatrous nation, but still allowed to be the keeper of the “oracles of God”
Quick Ben,
My apologies if you feel I am dog piling on tirib’s character. I am not intentionally doing so. I m frustrated with him at the moment, and yes rather upset at him. But my comment regarding push’s wife was a “my two ceants” comment rather than meant to disparage his overall character. We all say things we shouldnt from time to time, sometimes without meaning to or even believing we said the.m That doesn’t make us people of bad character whatsoever–at least I don’t believe that. I do not believe tiribulus is a person of bad character overall whatsoever.
I don’t believe the thread you are referencing is the one that happened in, it is an older one. But I do clearly remember ithappening along with Mak.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Mr. Chen wrote:
I don’t see this supported anywhere in the text.
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Read the first chapter carefully. Note the tense of the verbs.
Read it in several different translations.
She is trying to get him to notice her. She does not appear to be his bride yet. She is competing with the other young women to get his attention.
She even pleads with him not to consider her a prostitute (1:7).
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Ch 1 is only 17 verses. She compares herself to others in vs 5. She is self-conscience because of the darkness of her skin. He does extol her beauty in vss 8, encouraging her to be think poorly of herself. These 2 places do not at all suggest they are not married. She is young servant girl, now the bride of the king.
The verb tenses are irrelevant, as the book is a poem, and therefore not necessarily chronological.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Chen, you also need to read this thread: http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/world_news_war/religious_controversies_manwoman_equality?id=3882691&pageNo=0
I don’t need to rehash all this all over again when I put hours and hours and hours into all of this before.[/quote]
If I have time, I’ll try to do that. Did you discuss Song of Sol in verse by verse detail?
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Mr. Chen wrote:
I don’t see this supported anywhere in the text.
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She even pleads with him not to consider her a prostitute (1:7).
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Sorry, forgot verse 7 in my list. You are reading too much into this verse in my opinion.