[quote]Sloth wrote:
What exactly are we supposed to be arguing about? That we didn’t reinvent the wheel?[/quote]
That historical records of the christianity myths being lifted from pre-christian religions means they didnt actually happen.[/quote]
I don’t see anything about Christianity here (besides us using trees and wreaths–to which I’m wondering “and?”). I see terri-bad summaries of drastically different dieties/stories. The Devaki-Krishna comparison is a real hoot. Some of you actually need to read these stories first…
It’s like reading 9-11 conspiracy theories, these comparisons.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
What exactly are we supposed to be arguing about? That we didn’t reinvent the wheel?[/quote]
That historical records of the christianity myths being lifted from pre-christian religions means they didnt actually happen.[/quote]
I don’t see anything about Christianity here (besides us using trees and wreaths–to which I’m wondering “and?”). I see terri-bad summaries of drastically different dieties/stories. The Devaki-Krishna comparison is a real hoot. Some of you actually need to read these stories first…
"As an adult, Mithras healed the sick, made the lame walk, gave sight to the blind and raised the dead. Before returning to heaven at the Spring Equinox Mithras had a last supper with 12 disciples (representing the 12 signs of the Zodiac). Mithraism included Zoroastrian beliefs in the struggle between good & evil, symbolized as light & darkness.
This militaristic black-and-white morality (including a final judgment affecting an afterlife of heaven or hell) probably accounted for the popularity of Mithraism among Roman soldiers. Mithraism was like an ancient fraternity: a mystery cult open only to men which had seven degrees of initiation â?? including the ritual of baptism and a sacred meal of bread & wine representing the body & blood of Mithras."
Christanity doesnt mention a guy healing the sick, making the lame walk, giving sight to the blind and raising the dead? Christanity doesnt mention a last supper and 12 disciples? Chrisianity doesnt involve final judgement with eternal reward or punishment? Chrianity doesn’t include baptism and eating bread and wine as a presentation of eating someones body and drinking their blood?
If you want to debate the relationships, go ahead. But dont make stupid statements like “I dont see anything about christianity”. At that point you’re just being dense.
Before returning to heaven at the Spring Equinox Mithras had a last supper with 12 disciples (representing the 12 signs of the Zodiac). Mithraism included Zoroastrian beliefs in the struggle between good & evil, symbolized as light & darkness.
This militaristic black-and-white morality (including a final judgment affecting an afterlife of heaven or hell) probably accounted for the popularity of Mithraism among Roman soldiers. Mithraism was like an ancient fraternity: a mystery cult open only to men which had seven degrees of initiation �¢?? including the ritual of baptism and a sacred meal of bread & wine representing the body & blood of Mithras."
Christanity doesnt mention a guy healing the sick, making the lame walk, giving sight to the blind and raising the dead? Christanity doesnt mention a last supper and 12 disciples? Chrisianity doesnt involve final judgement with eternal reward or punishment? Chrianity doesn’t include baptism and eating bread and wine as a presentation of eating someones body and drinking their blood?
If you want to debate the relationships, go ahead. But dont make stupid statements like “I dont see anything about christianity”. At that point you’re just being dense.[/quote]
Trust me, I’ve already treated this topic in detail here, awhile back.
“Horus was born to the goddess Isis after she retrieved all the dismembered body parts of her murdered husband Osiris, except his penis which was thrown into the Nile and eaten by a catfish,[5][6] and used her magic powers to resurrect Osiris and fashion a gold phallus[7] to conceive her son. In another version of the story, Isis was impregnated by divine fire.[8] Once Isis knew she was pregnant with Horus, she fled to the Nile Delta marshlands to hide from her brother Set who jealously killed Osiris and who she knew would want to kill their son.[8] There Isis bore a divine son, Horus.”
[quote]Sloth wrote:
What exactly are we supposed to be arguing about? That we didn’t reinvent the wheel?[/quote]
Hey, you didn’t know? It’s not true unless it’s original.[/quote]
If I told you I bench pressed 952 pounds raw the other day, you’d call bullshit. If you looked into it and found out that 10 years ago someone else claimed to have bench pressed 952 pounds exactly, would that give my claim more or less legitimacy?
And if further research showed that 15 years before that, someone else made the same exact claim?
[quote]Sloth wrote:
What exactly are we supposed to be arguing about? That we didn’t reinvent the wheel?[/quote]
Hey, you didn’t know? It’s not true unless it’s original.[/quote]
If I told you I bench pressed 952 pounds raw the other day, you’d call bullshit. If you looked into it and found out that 10 years ago someone else claimed to have bench pressed 952 pounds exactly, would that give my claim more or less legitimacy?
And if further research showed that 15 years before that, someone else made the same exact claim?[/quote]
But that’s not what we have here. Here, a claim was made that different benchers all claimed the same weight. Yet, when we actually look at the claims, the stated weights are dramatically different. Such as Mithras ‘12 disciples.’ You mean, those representations of the zodiac on a post-christian carving? Show me one reference in actual Mithraic literature to twelve disciples. I will never, ever, post again if you can find one mention of 12 disciples from actual Mithraic literature. I flat out mean that.
This thread, like the fact-checking research done before supporting the OP, never even got off the ground. It’s ok to let go of bad threads folks.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
…sacred meal of bread & wine representing the body & blood of Mithras."
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I’m just not going to cover every single thing, but this also false. It’s an imitation of Mithras and Sol feasting on THE BULL he killed (He didn’t sacrifice himself, he doesn’t even die…He kills the bull…then eats it with Sol.)
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
…sacred meal of bread & wine representing the body & blood of Mithras."
[/quote]
I’m just not going to cover every single thing, but this also false. It’s an imitation of Mithras and Sol feasting on THE BULL he killed (He didn’t sacrifice himself, he doesn’t even die…He kills the bull…then eats it with Sol.)[/quote]
Even as horrible as the History Channel is, they got this right.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
…sacred meal of bread & wine representing the body & blood of Mithras."
[/quote]
I’m just not going to cover every single thing, but this also false. It’s an imitation of Mithras and Sol feasting on THE BULL he killed (He didn’t sacrifice himself, he doesn’t even die…He kills the bull…then eats it with Sol.)[/quote]
Even as horrible as the History Channel is, they got this right.[/quote]
Yup. It’s a huge, huge, ‘mistake.’ You don’t make this claim and remain in the argument. Getting the name of some secondary figure in the story wrong, fine. This, no.
Either the ‘research’ is simply copying from some unexamined post at an atheistic site, or worse, the author knew he was lying, hoping none of his anti-christians warriors, or christian targets, would check such claims. “Hey, did you hear Mithras had a ‘virgin’ birth in a cave? Yeah, he transformed from a rock (the resulting hole leaving a cavity/cave) into a fully grown man decked out in duds! See, no sex!” Yeah, similar stuff…
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Devaki and Mithras now knocked out. Whose next?[/quote]
Interesting. Horus?[/quote]
Except what he’s doing is only accepting one version of the myths that these other religions had. It’s not interesting, it’s being intentionally ignorant. Just like there are many different versions of Christianity, the same goes for other religions.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Devaki and Mithras now knocked out. Whose next?[/quote]
Interesting. Horus?[/quote]
Except what he’s doing is only accepting one version of the myths that these other religions had. It’s not interesting, it’s being intentionally ignorant. Just like there are many different versions of Christianity, the same goes for other religions.[/quote]
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Devaki and Mithras now knocked out. Whose next?[/quote]
Interesting. Horus?[/quote]
Except what he’s doing is only accepting one version of the myths that these other religions had. It’s not interesting, it’s being intentionally ignorant. Just like there are many different versions of Christianity, the same goes for other religions.[/quote]
There is only one. The rest are heresies.[/quote]
Actually wasn’t C.S. Lewis’ position that the others were forgeries of the devil to throw people off of the true messiah?
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Devaki and Mithras now knocked out. Whose next?[/quote]
Interesting. Horus?[/quote]
Except what he’s doing is only accepting one version of the myths that these other religions had. It’s not interesting, it’s being intentionally ignorant. Just like there are many different versions of Christianity, the same goes for other religions.[/quote]
There is only one. The rest are heresies.[/quote]
Actually wasn’t C.S. Lewis’ position that the others were forgeries of the devil to throw people off of the true messiah?
Or am I mixing up my apologists?
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Not sure. I have not read all of C.S. Lewis’s work.