[quote]maverick88 wrote:<<< This is INSANE. All of it. I would not be surprised if people lost faith after listening to you.[/quote]I know, but it was once the predominant faith of this nation. Back before a 54% divorce rate, huge out of wedlock childbirth, school shootings, a steady parade of sexually molested and murdered women and children, decaying cities with parentless adolescents that will blow yer brains out for a pair of shoes, trillions in debt and a communist president. You know? The bad ol days.
So there was this Bible found in Turkey and apparently in it Jesus predicted the prophet Muhammed:
I read a book from the Nag Hammadi Library, in it Jesus says a lot of things no Christian today would believe. If he doesn’t mention Mohammad by name it could be interpreted to mean anything.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
I read a book from the Nag Hammadi Library, in it Jesus says a lot of things no Christian today would believe. If he doesn’t mention Mohammad by name it could be interpreted to mean anything.[/quote]
Maybe he ment joseph smith 
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
One bite of a piece of fruit in defiance of the command of the eternal God was eternal enough to plunge every last child of Adam that would ever be born into everlasting damnation. EVERYBODY, including me, deserves to be damned. God in His unthinkable mercy has provided the payment Himself so that some would be saved. The question isn’t “why does God send people to hell?”. The question is “why does He save ANYBODY?”. He owes everybody the lake of fire, but graciously saves some from their sin having punished it already on the cross of Christ and defeated their death in His resurrection.
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So all this goes back to Adam or at least the first humans if Adam was more of a symbolic first. Is this why Christians are so against the theory of evolution, since it would invalidate what you just said above?
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
One bite of a piece of fruit in defiance of the command of the eternal God was eternal enough to plunge every last child of Adam that would ever be born into everlasting damnation. EVERYBODY, including me, deserves to be damned. God in His unthinkable mercy has provided the payment Himself so that some would be saved. The question isn’t “why does God send people to hell?”. The question is “why does He save ANYBODY?”. He owes everybody the lake of fire, but graciously saves some from their sin having punished it already on the cross of Christ and defeated their death in His resurrection.
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So all this goes back to Adam or at least the first humans if Adam was more of a symbolic first. Is this why Christians are so against the theory of evolution, since it would invalidate what you just said above?[/quote]if there was no literal first man Adam who’s death in the first sin is inherited by all of his offspring like Jesus Christ said there was? He was liar and the gospel is too. Anyone claiming Christ telling you otherwise is most horrifically deceived.
[quote]Oleena wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Oleena wrote:
I’m pretty sure that John chapter 16 reference was referring to Paul but, as usual, it’s possible to interpret it any number of ways.[/quote]
The Holy Spirit.[/quote]
That doesn’t make sense because it’s accepted that the Holy Spirit was always present. In addition, the Holy Spirit isn’t referred to as a person, but as a force, which filled every leader and person favored by God. To say “He is going to come to guide you” referred to the Holy Spirit would imply that he wasn’t already present and guiding, which he was, in a different form (Jesus),who was already guiding.
This line, in particular, does not fit the Holy Spirit explanation “for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come”. The Holy spirit is initiative.[/quote]
Actually the Holy Ghost is the third person in the Godhead…ergo he is a person.
[quote]Oleena wrote:
Another thing God’s incapable of: forgiving those who speak against the Holy Spirit.
Matthew 12:30-32: ?Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. And so I tell you, people will be forgiven every sin and blasphemy. But the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
Eternal damnation for those who speak against the Holy Spirit but salvation for those who slaughter, rape, and repent? And you want to follow this person/thing?
I understand that you can’t hold him to the same standards you expect for yourself, but imagine for two second that you could. How petty would he seem? Imagine you met a guy who was willing to forgive any unpardonable, as long as everyone proclaimed he was king (much like our current presidents). This guy knows that some people with good intentions will deny him and chooses to give the pedophile eternal life instead of them. Would you think this was loving and just, if you were judging a fellow human?[/quote]
I could be wrong, but looking at the facts it is authoritative that the sin of blaspheme against the Holy Ghost is not “speaking against the Holy Spirit.” It is not as simple.
There are six particular sins against the Holy Ghost, generally called Blaspheme against the Holy Ghost:
- Despair
- Presumption of Salvation
- Impugning truth
- Spiritual Envy
- Obstinacy in Sin
- Final Impenitence