[quote]lixy wrote:
Gregus wrote:
I just don;t see how you see all of this from a victim standpoint.
Seriously?
If you see me as the aggressor here, then how am I not a victim to your prejudice?[/quote]
I don;t see you as the aggressor. I’m commenting that you comment everything from the oooooo poor Muslims getting a bad rap again.
[quote]malty_goodness wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
As long as we keep up this suicidal unrelenting campaign for misguided tolerance, the honor killings, the anti American propaganda, the jihads and the rest will continue to increase. Islam is incompatible with American values and principles. Your head is firmly up your ass if you doubt this.
I have never had any incompatibility issues living in America with its values and principles while practicing my religion. I guess my head must be firmly up my ass. Everytime I see posts like this bashing my religion, misquoting texts, confusing culture with religion and overall painting me and my family as murderers just because we are devout muslims, I just don’t know what to say. It seems no matter how much one tries to speak up or defend themselves, there’s just no way to change many peoples already set view on this. I guess thats why the majority of us don’t speak up. Cause it just falls on deaf ears.[/quote]
Explain abrogation in your religion. Then understand it yourself. Then see how it molds the minds of the weaker people. Then see the flaw in your scriptures.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Gregus wrote:
They Hate Whites. They see the white system as a system to be used and abused.
So what i see in the future, is a backlash that the Muslims have themselves to blame for. Their clerics, the followers, Noone denounces this. Noone. They quietly celebrate this and in cases celebrate not so quietly.
There’s no white Muslims? How about the Circassians who beat the Mongols? White slaves from Russia? The whole Caucasus is full of white Muslims. The Caucasus is where they got the term Caucasian. Meaning white. In another thread, I pointed out the (as a joke) the name Iran mean Ayran, which was what Hitler called his white race.
Plus the fact that anything the “white” system has done to them, ie colonization, ect, was also done to “whites” ie Europeans by Muslims first. The Muslims invaded and controled France and Eastern Europe, the “whites” never invaded and controled Arabia.[/quote]
I think were on the same page.
[quote]Gregus wrote:
LOL! I have never met a more Naive people then Americans. Your Naivenes and childish outlook on life will cause and allow more and more crap like this to happen. And each time you will sit there and look for reasons that are anything other then just a simple fact that people CAN hate you just because, just because you’re an infidel. lol. Wake up.
The Muslim radicals have been here bombing us, shooting us, remember the snipers at the gas stations? And still…I think I’ll throw up on how toothless our culture and country has become. I feel sorry for all the veterans and families who gave their lives and children to defend this great country. I feel sorry that they have to stand there in veterans getups and collect change at corner stores. I feel sorry that they get to watch the very forces they fought against have total reign of our government and countries mentality.
I feel it works that way to divide and conquer. A homogeneous group of people are a nightmare for control freak politicians. They will infuse us with multiculturalism, dilute us and cause so much division they will have their way with any group they wish. [/quote]
Word ^^^^^^^^
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
malty_goodness wrote:
<<< I have never had any incompatibility issues living in America with its values and principles while practicing my religion. >>>
You’re either a liar or you’re not practicing your religion.[/quote]
Or you could just be wrong. Have you ever been a muslim and led a life of a muslim? As with bodybuilding, if you don’t live the life, you have no right telling others how to bodybuild. Likewise in this scenario. Do you have the relevant experience to back it up? As much as people try to make it seem that Islam is some rogue religion/cult bent on killing everyone, in reality it is so closely linked and similar to Judaism. If they have no problems living in America, I dont see how that makes it any different for muslims.
[quote]malty_goodness wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
As long as we keep up this suicidal unrelenting campaign for misguided tolerance, the honor killings, the anti American propaganda, the jihads and the rest will continue to increase. Islam is incompatible with American values and principles. Your head is firmly up your ass if you doubt this.
I have never had any incompatibility issues living in America with its values and principles while practicing my religion. I guess my head must be firmly up my ass. Everytime I see posts like this bashing my religion, misquoting texts, confusing culture with religion and overall painting me and my family as murderers just because we are devout muslims, I just don’t know what to say. It seems no matter how much one tries to speak up or defend themselves, there’s just no way to change many peoples already set view on this. I guess thats why the majority of us don’t speak up. Cause it just falls on deaf ears.[/quote]
The trouble is that we don’t know which of you are batshit crazy. Most Americans learned long ago in out history to NOT kill others because of religion or culture. When Muslims have a long history of tolerating another religion, then Americans would be very happy to have you here.
[quote]malty_goodness wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
malty_goodness wrote:
<<< I have never had any incompatibility issues living in America with its values and principles while practicing my religion. >>>
You’re either a liar or you’re not practicing your religion.
Or you could just be wrong. Have you ever been a muslim and led a life of a muslim? As with bodybuilding, if you don’t live the life, you have no right telling others how to bodybuild. Likewise in this scenario. Do you have the relevant experience to back it up? As much as people try to make it seem that Islam is some rogue religion/cult bent on killing everyone, in reality it is so closely linked and similar to Judaism. If they have no problems living in America, I dont see how that makes it any different for muslims.[/quote]
It is similar to Judaism as Rosie O’Donnell is similar to Megan Fox.
[quote]malty_goodness wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
malty_goodness wrote:
<<< I have never had any incompatibility issues living in America with its values and principles while practicing my religion. >>>
You’re either a liar or you’re not practicing your religion.
Or you could just be wrong. Have you ever been a muslim and led a life of a muslim? As with bodybuilding, if you don’t live the life, you have no right telling others how to bodybuild. Likewise in this scenario. Do you have the relevant experience to back it up? As much as people try to make it seem that Islam is some rogue religion/cult bent on killing everyone, in reality it is so closely linked and similar to Judaism. If they have no problems living in America, I dont see how that makes it any different for muslims.[/quote]
Or it could be that I thoroughly studied Islam over 20 years ago, long before 911 and I had ever heard of Osama Bin Laden. I also live in an area where there are more muslims than anywhere outside the middle east. You may be a great guy and a fine American. If you are, you are no historically authentic muslim.
[quote]Gregus wrote:
lixy wrote:
Gregus wrote:
I just don;t see how you see all of this from a victim standpoint.
Seriously?
If you see me as the aggressor here, then how am I not a victim to your prejudice?
I don;t see you as the aggressor. I’m commenting that you comment everything from the oooooo poor Muslims getting a bad rap again. [/quote]
You did imply that I have no business seeing this from a victim’s standpoint (correct me if I’m wrong). When I am discriminated against, called a terrorist and/or physically aggressed because of my name, the way I look or the religion I choose to practice, it’s hard for me to see myself as something else. When I look at the agendas (and growing trend) of the PVV, the BNP or the BZO, I don’t see myself as anything more than a victim. And I won’t even get into so-called extraordinary renditions and the profile of people involved.
So yeah, the poor Muslims are getting a bad rap because of the actions of murderous Muslims. The hate directed at Muslims and their religion in this thread should tell you something.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Gregus wrote:
lixy wrote:
Gregus wrote:
I just don;t see how you see all of this from a victim standpoint.
Seriously?
If you see me as the aggressor here, then how am I not a victim to your prejudice?
I don;t see you as the aggressor. I’m commenting that you comment everything from the oooooo poor Muslims getting a bad rap again.
You did imply that I have no business seeing this from a victim’s standpoint (correct me if I’m wrong). When I am discriminated against, called a terrorist and/or physically aggressed because of my name, the way I look or the religion I choose to practice, it’s hard for me to see myself as something else. When I look at the agendas (and growing trend) of the PVV, the BNP or the BZO, I don’t see myself as anything more than a victim. And I won’t even get into so-called extraordinary renditions and the profile of people involved.
So yeah, the poor Muslims are getting a bad rap because of the actions of murderous Muslims. The hate directed at Muslims and their religion in this thread should tell you something.[/quote]
Can you blame the mistrust? Some of us are dieing you know. Some of us are betting murdered by religious followers of a fucked doctrine. Can you blame us? Some were being sniped like a hitman video game, again can you blame us?
You can get killed for drawing a picture of Muhammad, you can get killed in the name of Honor. Stop being in denial.
And after all that you get called names and looked down upon for being a Muslim. Wow. HELLO? Some are dieing you know! DIEING! But oh poor you.
Anyway your comments should be looked into be any feds watching this board. You sound detached and adversarial. I would keep an eye on you. Too bad i’m not in Europe. The Next Reich will have Muslims as their new Jews is things don’t change soon.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I also live in an area where there are more muslims than anywhere outside the middle east. [/quote]
If this moronic statement is anything to go by, you should seriously question the way your brain works.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
I also live in an area where there are more muslims than anywhere outside the middle east.
If this moronic statement is anything to go by, you should seriously question the way your brain works.[/quote]
Are you implying there are no areas of highest concentration of Muslim populations? Followed by the second largest and third and so forth?
[quote]Gregus wrote:
lixy wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
I also live in an area where there are more muslims than anywhere outside the middle east.
If this moronic statement is anything to go by, you should seriously question the way your brain works.
Are you implying there are no areas of highest concentration of Muslim populations? Followed by the second largest and third and so forth? [/quote]
so that means you live in the Indian sub-continent. may i ask what you define as an authentic muslim? because if being born a muslim and having lead a islamic life, which includes the 6 pillars of faith and 5 pillars of practice is not authentic enough, what is?
[quote]malty_goodness wrote:
Gregus wrote:
lixy wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
I also live in an area where there are more muslims than anywhere outside the middle east.
If this moronic statement is anything to go by, you should seriously question the way your brain works.
Are you implying there are no areas of highest concentration of Muslim populations? Followed by the second largest and third and so forth?
so that means you live in the Indian sub-continent. may i ask what you define as an authentic muslim? because if being born a muslim and having lead a islamic life, which includes the 6 pillars of faith and 5 pillars of practice is not authentic enough, what is?
[/quote]
No,the 6 pillars of faith and the 5 of practice are just not enough for a Muslim to be considered a practitioner of a peaceful faith,hence what gets professed as an ‘authentic Muslim’.So while that may be considered as enough for one’s Islamic peers to consider one an ‘authentic Muslim’,it is just not enough for Islam to coexist peaceably in a Western setting.The lack of unified Muslim outrage in respect to frankly barbaric acts on civilian populations,coupled with the more than ample and vocal(and occasionally murderous) outrage in respect to perceived affronts to their religion,nullify any credibility Islam may have in that respect.
Islam needs to mature,and its practitioners need to take along look in the mirror and see what it is they stand for in a historical context.At this point,Islam is being found seriously wanting.
[quote]Gregus wrote:
Can you blame the mistrust?[/quote]
Sure I can.
If you mean dying, then yes. And stastically speaking, I am more likely to die at the hands of Islamists than you are. Muslims are targetted by Islamists at a higher rate than non-Muslims.
Yes.
Denial? I know you can get killed for that. Just like I know you can get killed for being pretty, promiscuous, rich, homosexual, Muslim or black.
What’s your point?
Yeah, I know. People are dying. What else is new?
I had a flat sharing a wall with a hotel that was bombed by a bunch of whackos five years ago. I took a cab from the hotel’s doorstep. Instants later, the bombs went off. More than fourty people died that night. I could have been dead because of that.
Did I go out calling people names because of their religion? No. Did I make up stuff about “their” hate for whites (I’m white)? No.
Whatever helps the employment rate, I guess…
You prefer emotional and friendly?
I don’t know if you noticed, but people here are bashing me and my religion.
Join the club.
I’m actually glad for that.
My point exactly!
Do you really think the Jews were not the victims in the story?
[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
No,the 6 pillars of faith and the 5 of practice are just not enough for a Muslim to be considered a practitioner of a peaceful faith,hence what gets professed as an ‘authentic Muslim’.So while that may be considered as enough for one’s Islamic peers to consider one an ‘authentic Muslim’,it is just not enough for Islam to coexist peaceably in a Western setting.The lack of unified Muslim outrage in respect to frankly barbaric acts on civilian populations,coupled with the more than ample and vocal(and occasionally murderous) outrage in respect to perceived affronts to their religion,nullify any credibility Islam may have in that respect.
Islam needs to mature,and its practitioners need to take along look in the mirror and see what it is they stand for in a historical context.At this point,Islam is being found seriously wanting.[/quote]
i’m not entirely clear on what you meant in the first part. are you saying that i am not authentic enough eventhough i practice the basics of being a muslim?
i understand your point of view in regards to why you’d think an ‘authentic’ muslim cannot coexist with western cultures. but i believe this is more of a cultural thing rather than religion. compare a muslim from turkey, the middle east, india and southeast asia and you’d see the differences in practice, which is all due to the mix of culture with religion. it is more than possible to lead a straight and pious islamic life in america with no problems. i mean muslims are people too. we have normal lives to lead like everyone else. like getting the kids to school on time.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Gregus wrote:
Can you blame the mistrust?
Sure I can.
Some of us are dieing you know.
If you mean dying, then yes. And stastically speaking, I am more likely to die at the hands of Islamists than you are. Muslims are targetted by Islamists at a higher rate than non-Muslims.
Some of us are betting murdered by religious followers of a fucked doctrine. Can you blame us? Some were being sniped like a hitman video game, again can you blame us?
Yes.
You can get killed for drawing a picture of Muhammad, you can get killed in the name of Honor. Stop being in denial.
Denial? I know you can get killed for that. Just like I know you can get killed for being pretty, promiscuous, rich, homosexual, Muslim or black.
What’s your point?
And after all that you get called names and looked down upon for being a Muslim. Wow. HELLO? Some are dieing you know! DIEING! But oh poor you.
Yeah, I know. People are dying. What else is new?
I had a flat sharing a wall with a hotel that was bombed by a bunch of whackos five years ago. I took a cab from the hotel’s doorstep. Instants later, the bombs went off. More than fourty people died that night. I could have been dead because of that.
Did I go out calling people names because of their religion? No. Did I make up stuff about “their” hate for whites (I’m white)? No.
Anyway your comments should be looked into be any feds watching this board.
Whatever helps the employment rate, I guess…
You sound detached and adversarial.
You prefer emotional and friendly?
I don’t know if you noticed, but people here are bashing me and my religion.
I would keep an eye on you.
Join the club.
Too bad i’m not in Europe.
I’m actually glad for that.
The Next Reich will have Muslims as their new Jews is things don’t change soon.
My point exactly!
Do you really think the Jews were not the victims in the story?[/quote]
Hey, lixy!!!
I’d be exaggerating if I said I’m glad you were still here. However, since you are still trolling around, I’ll give you some free advice. If you are tired of being slapped around, why don’t you start typing/saying this phrase: I am opposed to radical Islam and it’s violence.
Each and every thread like this, I suggest you start with that phrase or something similar.
Don’t say, “Oh, I thought it was obvious I’m against it.” It isn’t and many feel you aren’t.
There are those of us on here who think you try just a little too hard to justify the violence.
Or you could continue your current M.O.
JeffR
[quote]lixy wrote:
Gregus wrote:
Can you blame the mistrust?
Sure I can.
Some of us are dieing you know.
If you mean dying, then yes. And stastically speaking, I am more likely to die at the hands of Islamists than you are. Muslims are targetted by Islamists at a higher rate than non-Muslims.
Some of us are betting murdered by religious followers of a fucked doctrine. Can you blame us? Some were being sniped like a hitman video game, again can you blame us?
Yes.
You can get killed for drawing a picture of Muhammad, you can get killed in the name of Honor. Stop being in denial.
Denial? I know you can get killed for that. Just like I know you can get killed for being pretty, promiscuous, rich, homosexual, Muslim or black.
What’s your point?
And after all that you get called names and looked down upon for being a Muslim. Wow. HELLO? Some are dieing you know! DIEING! But oh poor you.
Yeah, I know. People are dying. What else is new?
I had a flat sharing a wall with a hotel that was bombed by a bunch of whackos five years ago. I took a cab from the hotel’s doorstep. Instants later, the bombs went off. More than fourty people died that night. I could have been dead because of that.
Did I go out calling people names because of their religion? No. Did I make up stuff about “their” hate for whites (I’m white)? No.
Anyway your comments should be looked into be any feds watching this board.
Whatever helps the employment rate, I guess…
You sound detached and adversarial.
You prefer emotional and friendly?
I don’t know if you noticed, but people here are bashing me and my religion.
I would keep an eye on you.
Join the club.
Too bad i’m not in Europe.
I’m actually glad for that.
The Next Reich will have Muslims as their new Jews is things don’t change soon.
My point exactly!
Do you really think the Jews were not the victims in the story?[/quote]
Hey, lixy!!!
I’d be exaggerating if I said I’m glad you were still here. However, since you are still trolling around, I’ll give you some free advice. If you are tired of being slapped around, why don’t you start typing/saying this phrase: I am opposed to radical Islam and it’s violence.
Each and every thread like this, I suggest you start with that phrase or something similar.
Don’t say, “Oh, I thought it was obvious I’m against it.” It isn’t and many feel you aren’t.
There are those of us on here who think you try just a little too hard to justify the violence.
Or you could continue your current M.O.
JeffR
[quote]lixy wrote:
Gregus wrote:
I just don;t see how you see all of this from a victim standpoint.
Seriously?
If you see me as the aggressor here, then how am I not a victim to your prejudice?[/quote]
The next time you are not the victim will be the first.
[quote]malty_goodness wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
No,the 6 pillars of faith and the 5 of practice are just not enough for a Muslim to be considered a practitioner of a peaceful faith,hence what gets professed as an ‘authentic Muslim’.So while that may be considered as enough for one’s Islamic peers to consider one an ‘authentic Muslim’,it is just not enough for Islam to coexist peaceably in a Western setting.The lack of unified Muslim outrage in respect to frankly barbaric acts on civilian populations,coupled with the more than ample and vocal(and occasionally murderous) outrage in respect to perceived affronts to their religion,nullify any credibility Islam may have in that respect.
Islam needs to mature,and its practitioners need to take along look in the mirror and see what it is they stand for in a historical context.At this point,Islam is being found seriously wanting.
i’m not entirely clear on what you meant in the first part. are you saying that i am not authentic enough eventhough i practice the basics of being a muslim?
i understand your point of view in regards to why you’d think an ‘authentic’ muslim cannot coexist with western cultures. but i believe this is more of a cultural thing rather than religion. compare a muslim from turkey, the middle east, india and southeast asia and you’d see the differences in practice, which is all due to the mix of culture with religion. it is more than possible to lead a straight and pious islamic life in america with no problems. i mean muslims are people too. we have normal lives to lead like everyone else. like getting the kids to school on time.[/quote]
No,what I am saying is that the basics are just not enough for the rest of the world to see Islam as a religion of peace.So while you may consider yourself an ‘authentic muslim’,that is a phrase I see as having very little use.Until I see as much condemnation by muslims of the acts committed in the name of their faith by radicals as I do when they feel their faith is being maligned,I really don’t see what the phrase ‘authentic muslim’ means in the global context.
On a one to one basis,I agree with you that individual muslims are most of the time,just regular individuals like everyone else,with regular concerns and desires just like the rest of us.But would you not agree that Islam has a SUBSTANTIAL number of individuals whose primary concerns are not like yours or mine?
Those individuals,and the silence of the supposed peaceful muslim majority,tarnish your reputation and your place in the civilized world.
I hope that makes it a bit clearer.