Christian Commits Mass Murder at Ft. Hood

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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Your post I was responding to then was not intended to imply that it’s unlikely that there can be a motive for a shooting spree other than jihad?

Exactly what was your point in posting “Well, you guys keep searching for a motive” if you recognize that other motives can exist?

Now, as to your quotes you now provide:

If those are factual, then your guess was reasonable, as I said all along.

But if you did not have them when starting this thread, then you were guessing, not knowing, though you insisted that you knew.

I suspect if you had them then, you would have posted them then.

Though even now you decorate your claims with guesses such as that he was probably shouting “Allahu akbar.”

I am well aware that many persons are incapable of making the distinction between guessing and knowing.

If anything is “idiotic” here, it is that.

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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Your post I was responding to then was not intended to imply that it’s unlikely that there can be a motive for a shooting spree other than jihad?

Exactly what was your point in posting “Well, you guys keep searching for a motive” if you recognize that other motives can exist?
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I was being sarcastic.

I had all of those facts in mind when I started the thread. They were all up on JW. I linked the story of Hasan’s colleague who reported the statements Hasan made about suicide bombing. Did you watch it? The fact that I didn’t link every single JW post on the topic does not mean that I didn’t read them myself. I left it as an exercise for the reader to look through the other JW coverage. I didn’t want to go overboard on the links.

You’re the one making hay about the possibility of him being crazy. I see this for what it is: jihad.

Btw, he was disciplined for proselytizing:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/11/fort-hood-jihad-shooter-was-disciplined-for-islamic-proselytizing.html

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http://www.blogrunner.com/snapshot/D/2/4/brazen_attack_on_pakistan_army_base/

It’s not the first time this happened. check this out.

It’s just another tactic, it seems. . . .

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I am not “making hay.” Unlike you I don’t come to unproven conclusions when other possibilities exist.

As for assuming that each reader is going to go through other coverage on the same site, that is unreasonable. If your argument depends on it, then if you expect people to have that information the only way for that to reliably happen is to provide it.

Only now in this final link do you provide evidence that the guy was big on Islam.

Many persons with Muslim names, or actual Muslims, really are not, just as many Christians or Jews are not really big on their religions.

However those who proselytize are almost or actually invariably big on their religions.

There’s nothing particularly admirable about rushing to a “known” conclusion before the facts come in.

It’s not as if I didn’t already say your guess is likely correct. It’s not as if I didn’t say he should have been investigated at the first sign of this that you mentioned. My disagreement is with your insistence on “knowing,” which it does seem to me occurred before you had any evidence that he was even big on Islam. (This latter thing, if correct, is good evidence towards that however.)

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Read my links posted above. Australia, Pakistan, here in the US: Fort Dix and now this.

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The motive doesn’t matter now.

Even if it turns out to be completely unrelated to the guy’s faith, people will claim that the media are in cahoots with whatever new world order that’s trying to further an Islamist agenda. Others, on the other side, will still claim that he was doing The Work of God™, that this is true Jihad, and treat the man as some sort of hero.

Presumption of innocence for Muslims will slowly fly out the door, triggering a vicious circle where both sides get increasingly radicalized. I wouldn’t be surprised if, in my lifetime, Muslims start changing their names and/or hiding their religion to avoid persecution.

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
At this point there is no knowing his motivation. He may have been a crazy person, period, acting alone for whatever motivation from his personal life, whether deriving from his recent poor performance review or who knows what. Undoubtedly there is going to be thorough investigation into his contacts.

I’m putting my money on Sudden Jihad Syndrome. [/quote]

Excellent point. We never can know if one of these Muslims, even a highly educated man like this, can be trusted. They get whacked out on ‘Allah is great!’ and start shooting.

No Muslims in the military or police, and they probably should all be booted from the country as well. What if a whole nest decides to go Jihad Blood Lust Crazy?

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:
http://www.blogrunner.com/snapshot/D/2/4/brazen_attack_on_pakistan_army_base/

It’s not the first time this happened. check this out.

It’s just another tactic, it seems. . . .

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Yup, they’re all devils. Good links!

We need to make America a ‘Muslim-Free Zone’. Warm up the cargo ships.

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LOL! I have never met a more Naive people then Americans. Your Naivenes and childish outlook on life will cause and allow more and more crap like this to happen. And each time you will sit there and look for reasons that are anything other then just a simple fact that people CAN hate you just because, just because you’re an infidel. lol. Wake up.

The Muslim radicals have been here bombing us, shooting us, remember the snipers at the gas stations? And still…I think I’ll throw up on how toothless our culture and country has become. I feel sorry for all the veterans and families who gave their lives and children to defend this great country. I feel sorry that they have to stand there in veterans getups and collect change at corner stores. I feel sorry that they get to watch the very forces they fought against have total reign of our government and countries mentality.

I feel it works that way to divide and conquer. A homogeneous group of people are a nightmare for control freak politicians. They will infuse us with multiculturalism, dilute us and cause so much division they will have their way with any group they wish.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
The motive doesn’t matter now.

Even if it turns out to be completely unrelated to the guy’s faith, people will claim that the media are in cahoots with whatever new world order that’s trying to further an Islamist agenda. Others, on the other side, will still claim that he was doing The Work of God™, that this is true Jihad, and treat the man as some sort of hero.

Presumption of innocence for Muslims will slowly fly out the door, triggering a vicious circle where both sides get increasingly radicalized. I wouldn’t be surprised if, in my lifetime, Muslims start changing their names and/or hiding their religion to avoid persecution. [/quote]

I just don;t see how you see all of this from a victim standpoint. I see a future where Muslims and their secret Hate for white people, lets not sugarcoat it with religion shall we? They don’t really hate Catholics or Christians or Jews. They Hate Whites. They see the white system as a system to be used and abused.

So what i see in the future, is a backlash that the Muslims have themselves to blame for. Their clerics, the followers, Noone denounces this. Noone. They quietly celebrate this and in cases celebrate not so quietly.

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[quote]Gregus wrote:
lixy wrote:
The motive doesn’t matter now.

Even if it turns out to be completely unrelated to the guy’s faith, people will claim that the media are in cahoots with whatever new world order that’s trying to further an Islamist agenda. Others, on the other side, will still claim that he was doing The Work of God™, that this is true Jihad, and treat the man as some sort of hero.

Presumption of innocence for Muslims will slowly fly out the door, triggering a vicious circle where both sides get increasingly radicalized. I wouldn’t be surprised if, in my lifetime, Muslims start changing their names and/or hiding their religion to avoid persecution.

I just don;t see how you see all of this from a victim standpoint. I see a future where Muslims and their secret Hate for white people, lets not sugarcoat it with religion shall we? They don’t really hate Catholics or Christians or Jews. They Hate Whites. They see the white system as a system to be used and abused.

So what i see in the future, is a backlash that the Muslims have themselves to blame for. Their clerics, the followers, Noone denounces this. Noone. They quietly celebrate this and in cases celebrate not so quietly. [/quote]

Secret hate? What’s so secret about it?

They hate everyone who is not a Muslim and wish to exterminate the non-believers. Any power sharing with the infidels is temporary only, as dictated by their holy book. And it’s far from a race based hate, it’s a desire to murder based on theological differences.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
Gregus wrote:
lixy wrote:
The motive doesn’t matter now.

Even if it turns out to be completely unrelated to the guy’s faith, people will claim that the media are in cahoots with whatever new world order that’s trying to further an Islamist agenda. Others, on the other side, will still claim that he was doing The Work of God™, that this is true Jihad, and treat the man as some sort of hero.

Presumption of innocence for Muslims will slowly fly out the door, triggering a vicious circle where both sides get increasingly radicalized. I wouldn’t be surprised if, in my lifetime, Muslims start changing their names and/or hiding their religion to avoid persecution.

I just don;t see how you see all of this from a victim standpoint. I see a future where Muslims and their secret Hate for white people, lets not sugarcoat it with religion shall we? They don’t really hate Catholics or Christians or Jews. They Hate Whites. They see the white system as a system to be used and abused.

So what i see in the future, is a backlash that the Muslims have themselves to blame for. Their clerics, the followers, Noone denounces this. Noone. They quietly celebrate this and in cases celebrate not so quietly.

Secret hate? What’s so secret about it?

They hate everyone who is not a Muslim and wish to exterminate the non-believers. Any power sharing with the infidels is temporary only, as dictated by their holy book. And it’s far from a race based hate, it’s a desire to murder based on theological differences.[/quote]

And it just happens that the Ideological differences are shared a different race.

Abrogation:

The Quran’s commandments to Muslims to wage war in the name of Allah against non-Muslims are unmistakable. They are, furthermore, absolutely authoritative as they were revealed late in the Prophet’s career and so cancel and replace earlier instructions to act peaceably. Without knowledge of the principle of abrogation, Westerners will continue to misread the Quran and misdiagnose Islam as a “religion of peace.”

http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101.html

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I don’t care if it was a “proper” Jihad or not. It was a personal one for him and his barbaric religion was a defining factor. We will see more and more of this until we get the message that the Bin Laden’s of the world are the faithful authentic muslims and there is no true islam without jihad.

We’ve had this conversation a hundred times. Islam is not a peace loving religion with some “extremist” aberrations. It is at it’s roots, in it’s scriptures and in it’s seminal representatives a religion of slaughter and earthly conquest.

As long as we keep up this suicidal unrelenting campaign for misguided tolerance, the honor killings, the anti American propaganda, the jihads and the rest will continue to increase. Islam is incompatible with American values and principles. Your head is firmly up your ass if you doubt this.

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I recommend everyone exercise their 2nd amendment and be armed and protected. Protect your family. Issues like these can only be remedied by them, like all psychopaths, knowing that there are no easy victims here. Sorry.

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[quote]Gregus wrote:
They Hate Whites. They see the white system as a system to be used and abused.

So what i see in the future, is a backlash that the Muslims have themselves to blame for. Their clerics, the followers, Noone denounces this. Noone. They quietly celebrate this and in cases celebrate not so quietly. [/quote]

There’s no white Muslims? How about the Circassians who beat the Mongols? White slaves from Russia? The whole Caucasus is full of white Muslims. The Caucasus is where they got the term Caucasian. Meaning white. In another thread, I pointed out the (as a joke) the name Iran mean Ayran, which was what Hitler called his white race.

Plus the fact that anything the “white” system has done to them, ie colonization, ect, was also done to “whites” ie Europeans by Muslims first. The Muslims invaded and controled France and Eastern Europe, the “whites” never invaded and controled Arabia.

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Actually the guy said, “I wanna candy bar” not “Allahu Akbar” as previously thought. It was a simple miss-understanding over a snickers.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

As long as we keep up this suicidal unrelenting campaign for misguided tolerance, the honor killings, the anti American propaganda, the jihads and the rest will continue to increase. Islam is incompatible with American values and principles. Your head is firmly up your ass if you doubt this.[/quote]

I have never had any incompatibility issues living in America with its values and principles while practicing my religion. I guess my head must be firmly up my ass. Everytime I see posts like this bashing my religion, misquoting texts, confusing culture with religion and overall painting me and my family as murderers just because we are devout muslims, I just don’t know what to say. It seems no matter how much one tries to speak up or defend themselves, there’s just no way to change many peoples already set view on this. I guess thats why the majority of us don’t speak up. Cause it just falls on deaf ears.

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[quote]Gregus wrote:

I just don;t see how you see all of this from a victim standpoint. [/quote]

Seriously?

If you see me as the aggressor here, then how am I not a victim to your prejudice?

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[quote]malty_goodness wrote:
<<< I have never had any incompatibility issues living in America with its values and principles while practicing my religion. >>>[/quote]

You’re either a liar or you’re not practicing your religion.