I don’t see the reason why everyone is hung up on the Terminator has to be Arnold like. It was an infiltration device. I know the books explained how they copied off of certain people, but I’m sure super computers could copy kids, women, and the elderly.
To me that makes things a little more interesting as opposed to getting caught up in the 24 year old perfect role for a marginal actor. And yes guys, Arnold isn’t really a great actor. While I didn’t like the John Connor in T3, I also thought Arnold was to old for the role. that is if the role is to look like big, buff killing machine.
The terminator franchise can have great stories and go a lot of places, but it won’t if everyone gets caught on the we need Arnold, or another big guy with an accent stuff.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
I don’t see the reason why everyone is hung up on the Terminator has to be Arnold like. It was an infiltration device. I know the books explained how they copied off of certain people, but I’m sure super computers could copy kids, women, and the elderly.
To me that makes things a little more interesting as opposed to getting caught up in the 24 year old perfect role for a marginal actor. And yes guys, Arnold isn’t really a great actor. While I didn’t like the John Connor in T3, I also thought Arnold was to old for the role. that is if the role is to look like big, buff killing machine.
The terminator franchise can have great stories and go a lot of places, but it won’t if everyone gets caught on the we need Arnold, or another big guy with an accent stuff.[/quote]
My theory was the the Arnold model was the standard killing machine. Mass-produced will raw power. He was sent back in the first movie because the machine side wasn’t so intelligent.
He was sent back in the second movie because the resistance wasn’t smart enough to reprogram other Terminators. In the third movie, it was because of the emotional attachment Connor felt to that model.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
tom63 wrote:
I don’t see the reason why everyone is hung up on the Terminator has to be Arnold like. It was an infiltration device. I know the books explained how they copied off of certain people, but I’m sure super computers could copy kids, women, and the elderly.
To me that makes things a little more interesting as opposed to getting caught up in the 24 year old perfect role for a marginal actor. And yes guys, Arnold isn’t really a great actor. While I didn’t like the John Connor in T3, I also thought Arnold was to old for the role. that is if the role is to look like big, buff killing machine.
The terminator franchise can have great stories and go a lot of places, but it won’t if everyone gets caught on the we need Arnold, or another big guy with an accent stuff.
My theory was the the Arnold model was the standard killing machine. Mass-produced will raw power. He was sent back in the first movie because the machine side wasn’t so intelligent.
He was sent back in the second movie because the resistance wasn’t smart enough to reprogram other Terminators. In the third movie, it was because of the emotional attachment Connor felt to that model.[/quote]
Agreed on all counts, but if the machines are more sophisticated, terminators of all shapes and sizes make sense.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Agreed on all counts, but if the machines are more sophisticated, terminators of all shapes and sizes make sense.[/quote]
My theory is based on the machines getting smarter with each movie. So between the first and second they developed the T-Coolliquidmetalcop and between the second and third they made the T-HotblondechickwhoIwannabone. The machines get smarter and the resistance is pretty much the same.
I didn’t even know they were making a new set of Terminator films. This is the first I have heard and it’s being released next year.
Terminator 3 was garbage, but this could be something completely different with an adult John Connor. Also, I’ve liked everything I’ve seen Bale in so maybe this has potential.
For the record, I never saw any of the Terminator TV series.[/quote]
Bale is a good actor who would be capable but I think after being batman and doing a good job of it he would be labled as ‘batman’ so I wouldn’t be suprised if he was over looked, I think provided the scirpt was good they could have more of an unknown actor.
I also think that you will need someone who looks a little tougher in the face but can also portray a little innocence so here are my recommendations for lesser known actors who I think could pull it off:
Barry Pepper.
Cillian Murphy (watch his performance in 28 days and sunshine)
Jeremy Renner
Ryan Reynolds (I personally think he could pull it off)
I am sure there are other but thats the 4 I would look at. As long as they dont ask Ben Assfleck, Matt Damon, BRad Pitt or will Smith (with out being classed a racist John Connor is white and besides Will smith has been in a lot of ‘mankind needs one last saviour’ type films).
[quote]Makavali wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Agreed on all counts, but if the machines are more sophisticated, terminators of all shapes and sizes make sense.
My theory is based on the machines getting smarter with each movie. So between the first and second they developed the T-Coolliquidmetalcop and between the second and third they made the T-HotblondechickwhoIwannabone. The machines get smarter and the resistance is pretty much the same.[/quote]
What I think would be cool is having termintors that are children, keep the resistence on their toes… no one wants to kill children and children are innocent as well, these termintors could be intel and recce machines that are capable of killing if need be but… and thi sis a big part of the story.
John Connor found a way to beat the machines, these were mass produced machines so for the next terminator film they will need to be the original modle terminator.
Having seen Bale in a whole bunch of movies - Harsh Times, Rescue Dawn, The Machinist, as well as the blockbuster stuff, I’m pretty sure he can handle John Connor.
The guy is one of the few actors who doesn’t just play himself in every movie. I for one would watch the Terminator movies anyway, but having some proper actors in it would make it even better, assuming the script doesn’t suck.
I guess if the script sucks too bad, he’ll pull out. Just like Thomas Jane did for Punisher 2. (Goddammit.)
What most seem to be forgetting is that Bale played a similar role in Reign of fire, and played it well. He’s a damn good actor and takes his roles seriously. If done right, these new terminators could be BAD ASS.
I didn’t mean it like that exactly. If Bale becomes the next Jedi Master in a Star Wars movies, then he’s triple dipping when he should be single dipping. He should focus on the big money(Batman) and do deeper roles to get his actor cred up.[/quote]
Get his actor cred up? WTF does the guy have to do, win an Oscar in the remake of Citizen Kane? As far as actors with credentials, you can’t really get much better than Bale. I’d put him right up there with Johnny Depp as the two guys of this generation with the widest range and the most skill at their craft. Is anyone else even close?
I didn’t mean it like that exactly. If Bale becomes the next Jedi Master in a Star Wars movies, then he’s triple dipping when he should be single dipping. He should focus on the big money(Batman) and do deeper roles to get his actor cred up.
Get his actor cred up? WTF does the guy have to do, win an Oscar in the remake of Citizen Kane? As far as actors with credentials, you can’t really get much better than Bale. I’d put him right up there with Johnny Depp as the two guys of this generation with the widest range and the most skill at their craft. Is anyone else even close?[/quote]
Agreed. Neither he nor Depp need to work any harder to get their acting cred up. I am still shocked that an actor would drop as much weight as he did for the Machinist and play that role that convincingly. It wasn’t even a blockbuster movie so I doubt money was his greatest motivating factor.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Steel Nation wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
I didn’t mean it like that exactly. If Bale becomes the next Jedi Master in a Star Wars movies, then he’s triple dipping when he should be single dipping. He should focus on the big money(Batman) and do deeper roles to get his actor cred up.
Get his actor cred up? WTF does the guy have to do, win an Oscar in the remake of Citizen Kane? As far as actors with credentials, you can’t really get much better than Bale. I’d put him right up there with Johnny Depp as the two guys of this generation with the widest range and the most skill at their craft. Is anyone else even close?
Agreed. Neither he nor Depp need to work any harder to get their acting cred up. I am still shocked that an actor would drop as much weight as he did for the Machinist and play that role that convincingly. It wasn’t even a blockbuster movie so I doubt money was his greatest motivating factor.
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Even though i am having a small problem with Edward Norton playing the hulk, i think he is just as good of a actor as Bale and Depp.
[quote]print wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Steel Nation wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
I didn’t mean it like that exactly. If Bale becomes the next Jedi Master in a Star Wars movies, then he’s triple dipping when he should be single dipping. He should focus on the big money(Batman) and do deeper roles to get his actor cred up.
Get his actor cred up? WTF does the guy have to do, win an Oscar in the remake of Citizen Kane? As far as actors with credentials, you can’t really get much better than Bale. I’d put him right up there with Johnny Depp as the two guys of this generation with the widest range and the most skill at their craft. Is anyone else even close?
Agreed. Neither he nor Depp need to work any harder to get their acting cred up. I am still shocked that an actor would drop as much weight as he did for the Machinist and play that role that convincingly. It wasn’t even a blockbuster movie so I doubt money was his greatest motivating factor.
Even though i am having a small problem with Edward Norton playing the hulk, i think he is just as good of a actor as Bale and Depp.[/quote]
I think Norton will end up being perfect for that role, just like Bill Bixby was. Now that Marvel has control of their own characters when it comes to movies based on them, I am pretty sure everything we see from them from now on (aside from Spiderman which Sony still owns) will be an improvement.
[quote]print wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Steel Nation wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
I didn’t mean it like that exactly. If Bale becomes the next Jedi Master in a Star Wars movies, then he’s triple dipping when he should be single dipping. He should focus on the big money(Batman) and do deeper roles to get his actor cred up.
Get his actor cred up? WTF does the guy have to do, win an Oscar in the remake of Citizen Kane? As far as actors with credentials, you can’t really get much better than Bale. I’d put him right up there with Johnny Depp as the two guys of this generation with the widest range and the most skill at their craft. Is anyone else even close?
Agreed. Neither he nor Depp need to work any harder to get their acting cred up. I am still shocked that an actor would drop as much weight as he did for the Machinist and play that role that convincingly. It wasn’t even a blockbuster movie so I doubt money was his greatest motivating factor.
Even though i am having a small problem with Edward Norton playing the hulk, i think he is just as good of a actor as Bale and Depp.[/quote]
Norton won’t really be playing the Hulk, though. He’ll basically just be Bruce Banner. And I think he’ll be fine.
