You CAN’T deny that it was IRAQI citizens CELEBRATING, let me say that again, CELEBRATING the U.S. troops taking over in Baghdad. Are you saying those people don’t deserve to be free to do what they want? Because god knows they weren’t before. So once again,
fuck you.
Adal do you even know the defintion of terrorism?? What the United States has done is not terrorism, we did not target civilians we targeted military combatants. Why do you feel the need to lie and/or not due your homework? Pathetic
Europeans never said BOO when America intervened in Kosovo without a UN mandate.
I remember the US attacking Iraqi civilians. Oh wait, those were Iraqi SOLDIERS dressed like civilians. If you want to pull the UN resolutions out of your ass, how about start with reading the Geneva Convention?
True, our image AS A NATION sucks abroad, but as just the ONE PERSON that I am, MY image abroad has not tarnished. Wanna know why? Because I don’t go to the other countries on any medium and try to decry all they do and call them names. I respect their culture, religion, and society as a whole. Do you not think that our government has people that know about the other countries? Of course they do. Why do you think we don’t attack on major religious holidays. We leave Muslims alone during their time of worship. We try to protect islamic places of worship (I’m so pissed I forgot the name of it). So don’t fucking tell any american that they suck.
You live in Turkey, right (Or is that CHICKEN? BWARK BWARK BWARK!!) Doesn’t Turkey have a DEMOCRACY? Who started that form of government? THE GODDAMN UNITED STATES OF AMERICA DID!!
Straight from the government of Turkey’s website
“The Republic of Turkey is a democratic, secular social legal state…”
http://www.mfa.gov.tr/grupc/ca/cag/default.htm
Mosque…
(Thought I’d help out, J!)
Mufasa
BFA - Well said? I don’t think so. You took the cake with the Hate Bear. Fucking awesome.
Wow, look at the Nuremburg-sized crowd of cheering Iraqis!
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2842.htm
& good job adal! Somebody’s got to tell the Americans what’s going on. Their corporate-owned press can’t be counted on to do it.
Oh boy, here we go again.
First, great article by Chris Shugart.
Now can anybody explain why we should care what others think about Americans? People keep trying to make excuses as to why they hate Americans, and then try to act as though they are against hate. I don’t care why the Nazi’s hated the Jews, I just disagree with it. I don’t hate other people from other countries, but if they don’t like me because I am an American, I don’t care. This is just bigotry. Some think this term can only apply to the hate of certain groups, but it applies to all groups.
As far as the UN, sounds like a great idea, all nations coming together to create a better world. Unfortunately it does not work like that. Libya chairing the human rights council? The UN has turned into a hate America group. Some think that they are the world government, but they are not a governing body. The US is a sovereign nation, not a state of the UN.
At this point the terms “Stupid American”, “Arrogant American”, and “Lazy Fat American” terms should be popping into the bigoted heads. Too many people think this is a contest, and America is just winning right now, but will be “taken down” and then another will be at the top. This is the wrong way to think. The whole world can get along and prosper together, but only if it is willing. The world benefits from a strong America, and America benefits from a strong world.
Too often people believe that if one person has more it is because he took it from another. And that there is only so much to go around. (Yes, I am paraphrasing another person in that last line.) Since America has a lot, it must have been taken from others. This is why that myth of America going to war for oil is so hard to eliminate, because people think the only way to prosperity is on the backs of others. People keep jumping on Microsoft trying to call them an evil corporation, not a successful business that has played the game better then others. Their products are not perfect, and often irritating, but do you know how many millionaires they have created? They reward their employees for hard work, and that is the biggest secret to their success.
“But the fact is also that 95% of the worlds population start hating the US.” If this is a “fact” then where is the proof? The poll that shows this? You cannot win arguments by just making up stuff.
Again I hear complaints about America when we had 50 countries supporting this action. I hear very little about that. This shows a very strong backing of America’s action, and yet “Nobody” supports this war outside of America.
I recently heard a story from a friend about a person he works with. She came from India, and was very surprised about America. She thought the streets were littered with abandoned children, homeless people, and abandoned divorced women. This was just one misconception she had. I am wondering what other misconceptions people have about America.
Oh yeah, about there being no link between Iraq and 911, it is stated repeatedly on this forum. Then a person posts a bunch of links to credible sites, then another person says the same thing, and people post a bunch of links to more sites that are also credible, and it is stated again. One person posted a link to a site without reading it thinking it stated that the head of the CIA said that there was no link. After I posted a link to a letter that was in the congressional record, from the same head of the CIA he mentioned, he then posted to a link of an interview with a person that has not been in the CIA since 1990. Finally after the links showed too much evidence of Iraqi involvement, the argument was suddenly that the links were “crap.” Regardless of what people like to think, the link is there, it is credible, there are articles in international papers discussing it, and Saddam has stated that he wants to destroy America repeatedly.
Chris’s article was right on the money. And we did what we should have done. And I won’t fall for the argument that we shouldn’t do the right thing just because terrorists will do more terror. Well why were they terrorists before we “pissed them off?” I am not going to curl up into a ball and cry from fear. I am a T-man. Are you?
“I am a T-man. Are you?”
OMG, that means nothing anymore. What a silly thing to say. + there’s no link between the Al-Qaida/911 & Iraq. The USA was looking for any excuse to go in there.
JW:
- Few would claim that the US invented democracy if that’s indeed what you were trying to say.
- The guy said he was in Austria, with Turkish friends. Don’t piss all over the wrong country.
If I criticise, it’s because I care.
“Food donated by the Kuwaiti Government has arrived in Baghdad for the starving animals at the city’s wrecked zoo.”
Does anyone remember the Ems dispatch? (Nobody is going to get this one)
Adal.
The article was about using a gun to defend oneself and one’s family against other people, inside the USA. The article was not talking about Iraq. You make my brain hurt.
And wasn’t ‘Theodor’ the fat chipmunk?
I think it’s more like the American System, if you will, is hated or villified overseas. We as United States citizens represent that system to many uninformed people around the world, even though we as individuals have very little if anything to do with it.
Just as I’m sure there’s millions of French citizens who are decent people, regardless of how their government’s acted toward the U.S. as of late. In other words, if I ran into a vacationing family from France on the streets of my city, and they had a question or two for me regarding directions, etc., I would politely answer and offer any help I could. I would never insult them by yelling or ranting at them about how I feel their government took a terrible position regarding the war, etc. Not the time or place to do so, and it wouldn’t be an appropriate thing to do.
It’s sad that we as United States citizens sometimes don’t get that courtesy when we’re outside of our country.
JaredNFS (O-ring), Cupcake (bear): I love you guys!
I apologize if I messed up the Turkey quote. But tell me, was there a true Democracy before the US? Seriously, I want to know…
JW:
It depends on exactly how you define democracy. By our modern standards of true universal suffrage, the US only achieved democracy status recently. Depending on your definition, the date could be placed in 1965 (voting rights act limiting racial discrimination in voting), maybe 1920 with the 19th amendment (granting women’s suffrage), perhaps 1870 with the passage of the 15th amendment (granting blacks the nominal right to vote), or maybe you want to be tidy and say it was 1781 (when the articles of confederation were ratified, thus making a union of states). If the later definition suits you, then any state granting voting power to any distinct racial unit of wealthy landed males who rule over the remainder of society including slave, women, and the poor could qualify as a democracy. History is littered with those. The most prominant of course was the Roman republic. It had a some structural defferences in its institutions, but the net effect was the same. If you want to look back in roughly the same epoq, you could also through in the experiments with democracy in the hellenic world, although none of them lasted the ~4 centuries that the roman republic did. If you want to run up the list, there were a number of democratic regimes (by that last definition) popping up throughout the middle ages and after, especially on the italian peninsula. Which governments are included in this list depends quite a bit on which definition of democracy you are using. Without firm definitions, it all remains really quite sketchy. Point being though, though the US may have made use of democracy, but it’s a stretch to claim it invented it.
damn I need to proof read 
Say: You said, “OMG, that means nothing anymore. What a silly thing to say.” Obviously this magazine is a joke. Why are you here? I actually agree with the t-man philosophy. Who else here does?
“+ there’s no link between the Al-Qaida/911 & Iraq.” You obviously cannot read, and ignore the facts, like all of the links we posted. Again you do not let facts get in the way of your argument. Ok one more article that came out recently. It states:
“The Iraqi scientist, who was not named for fear he might be harmed, said Iraq destroyed and buried chemical weapons and biological warfare equipment days before the war’s start. He also claimed Iraq secretly sent stockpiles of deadly agents and weapons technology to Syria in the mid-1990s, and more recently co-operated with Osama bin Laden’s Al Qaeda.”
Other articles mention that the Pentagon was not sure of this scientist at first until he led them to materials that could be used to make chemical weapons. The quote above is from:
Damn long link. I don’t know if you would trust a Canadian paper though.
I don’t think “Say” exists. I think someone made him up to illustrate and personify stupidity and to turn every thread into a pointless argument.
Adar. You call the muslims planning jihad your friends.
Well, for a 'friend' you're a pretty stupid one.
I hope they enjoy talking to the FBI after I tip them off to your post.
Keep up the good work.
And it'd Chris's, not chrises (sheesh, and he talks about 'typical white stupidity'.
Oh, sorry - forgot to give a damn about your post. Its pretty ignorant.
I subscribe to the T-man way of life. As much as possible.
Anyone who makes abbreviations like “OMG” is probably homosexual that tucks his cock inbetween his legs. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
I’m with PaulT, Say is probably just a figment of someones imagination.
I just ignore whatever Say has to Say…