I really did not want to chime in, but the whole Bush argument is ridiculous.
That isn’t affirmative action, its called networking.
What an asininely stupid article.
[quote]TDog305 wrote:
I really did not want to chime in, but the whole Bush argument is ridiculous.
That isn’t affirmative action, its called networking.
What an asininely stupid article. [/quote]
What kind of “networking” did HS grad GW bush do that got him into yale???
Can you please explain it to me? I’m trying to get into stanford law, and i could use some of that!
[quote]emdawgz1 wrote:
TDog305 wrote:
I really did not want to chime in, but the whole Bush argument is ridiculous.
That isn’t affirmative action, its called networking.
What an asininely stupid article.
What kind of “networking” did HS grad GW bush do that got him into yale???
Can you please explain it to me? I’m trying to get into stanford law, and i could use some of that![/quote]
You are wasting your time. People have no problem with the “good 'ole boy” system but AA is the devil.
The type of networking that his parents did for him. I never said HE did it. His parents/grandparents had connections, so they used them. In my book this is called networking, not affirmative action.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
emdawgz1 wrote:
TDog305 wrote:
I really did not want to chime in, but the whole Bush argument is ridiculous.
That isn’t affirmative action, its called networking.
What an asininely stupid article.
What kind of “networking” did HS grad GW bush do that got him into yale???
Can you please explain it to me? I’m trying to get into stanford law, and i could use some of that!
You are wasting your time. People have no problem with the “good 'ole boy” system but AA is the devil.[/quote]
That is somewhat insulting. I never made any mention about AA being bad.
For the record I have just as many black friends that have used networking to get ahead. I am confused as to why you think networking is exclusively a “good 'ol boy” tool.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
lucasa wrote:
Are you saying that black Americans aren’t a separate race than black Africans? So the Ghanese man is discriminating against someone of his own race, just from another country?
Are you saying Black Americans ARE a seperate race from Black Africans?
[/quote]
I find this quite intersting because i once saw a series of documentaries that argued race is a social construction and not based on science. They actually showed (i’ll say showed and not proved, because im not a scientist) that some white swedish kids were genetically mores similar to black african kids than they were to their own “race.”
For example, a swedish white kid was more simlar, genetcially, to a black african kid, than he was to another white swedish kid.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
emdawgz1 wrote:
TDog305 wrote:
I really did not want to chime in, but the whole Bush argument is ridiculous.
That isn’t affirmative action, its called networking.
What an asininely stupid article.
What kind of “networking” did HS grad GW bush do that got him into yale???
Can you please explain it to me? I’m trying to get into stanford law, and i could use some of that!
You are wasting your time. People have no problem with the “good 'ole boy” system but AA is the devil.[/quote]
Networking is an accepted practice, whether it’s parents trying to help a child get into school, or the black son of a south Houston preacher helping a black friend of his get a job. All the same.
Affirmative action is by definition reverse racism.
Stop whining, grow up, and welcome to the real life. Enjoy.
President Bush recieved an admission to Yale, because of a preference.Not that he deserved it. Not that he earned it.
This is “networking” its ok.
Someone who was more qualified or deserving was denied the yale education. But this is “networking” its ok.
An AA aplicant to U of Mich law school gets 20 points added to his admission scores because of his race. Not that they deserve it or earned it.
This is “affirmative action” Its an evil, its a quota. Its not ok.
I just want to know. How can my parents network me into Stanford? We will call or speak to anyone, living or dead. How could my grandparents help?
Why is Bush’s preference ok, and mine evil? Why should i feel shame, feel patronized, when GWB feels fine?
Why was it ok to deny my family, basic rights and access to opportunity in the past, yet its wrong to offer a preference to their offspring now?
I dont doubt that some of you will say, stop whining about the past. However, the legacy of that past still impedes many of us today.
You’ll say were equal now just shut up.
Ok heres what i propose.
Lets have a race, 100 yards. You start here and i’ll go 50 yards ahead…ready?
Go!
Not fair, you got a head start!!
Just shut up! Were all equal now, if you dont win it must be a genetic, or social shortcoming.
No, the reason im ahead is because my parents “networked” 50 yards for me.
It’s networking, its ok!
[quote]infin|ty wrote:
Just to add more fuel to the fire…
In NY if you are a minority and score a 70 or above on your Civil Service exam you pass. If you are a white male you must score a 90.
That’s pretty fair.[/quote]
Please provide some documentation to this claim. If you can’t, then this is just more hearsay. No offense, but I have heard these types of things from people all the time to justify their hatred of Affirmative Action, but most fall flat when examined thoroughly.
[quote]emdawgz1 wrote:
President Bush recieved an admission to Yale, because of a preference.Not that he deserved it. Not that he earned it.
This is “networking” its ok.
Someone who was more qualified or deserving was denied the yale education. But this is “networking” its ok.
An AA aplicant to U of Mich law school gets 20 points added to his admission scores because of his race. Not that they deserve it or earned it.
This is “affirmative action” Its an evil, its a quota. Its not ok.
I just want to know. How can my parents network me into Stanford? We will call or speak to anyone, living or dead. How could my grandparents help?
Why is Bush’s preference ok, and mine evil? Why should i feel shame, feel patronized, when GWB feels fine?
Why was it ok to deny my family, basic rights and access to opportunity in the past, yet its wrong to offer a preference to their offspring now?
I dont doubt that some of you will say, stop whining about the past. However, the legacy of that past still impedes many of us today.
You’ll say were equal now just shut up.
Ok heres what i propose.
Lets have a race, 100 yards. You start here and i’ll go 50 yards ahead…ready?
Go!
Not fair, you got a head start!!
Just shut up! Were all equal now, if you dont win it must be a genetic, or social shortcoming.
No, the reason your losing is because my parents “networked” 50 yards for me.
It’s networking, its ok!;)[/quote]
You don’t understand, it’s ok for rich, white men to be given things ahead of poor white men whether they are deserving or not or actually earned it or not. Don’t you know this? Where have you been?
[quote]NE2000 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
emdawgz1 wrote:
TDog305 wrote:
I really did not want to chime in, but the whole Bush argument is ridiculous.
That isn’t affirmative action, its called networking.
What an asininely stupid article.
What kind of “networking” did HS grad GW bush do that got him into yale???
Can you please explain it to me? I’m trying to get into stanford law, and i could use some of that!
You are wasting your time. People have no problem with the “good 'ole boy” system but AA is the devil.
Networking is an accepted practice, whether it’s parents trying to help a child get into school, or the black son of a south Houston preacher helping a black friend of his get a job. All the same.
Affirmative action is by definition reverse racism.
Stop whining, grow up, and welcome to the real life. Enjoy.
[/quote]
Your post was useless. No one was whining here. If anyone is going to claim that affirmative action was NEVER needed, I question your sanity…or your level of bigotry. The only real argument is whether it is needed right now.
[quote]emdawgz1 wrote:
President Bush recieved an admission to Yale, because of a preference.Not that he deserved it. Not that he earned it.
This is “networking” its ok.
Someone who was more qualified or deserving was denied the yale education. But this is “networking” its ok.
An AA aplicant to U of Mich law school gets 20 points added to his admission scores because of his race. Not that they deserve it or earned it.
This is “affirmative action” Its an evil, its a quota. Its not ok.
I just want to know. How can my parents network me into Stanford? We will call or speak to anyone, living or dead. How could my grandparents help?
Why is Bush’s preference ok, and mine evil? Why should i feel shame, feel patronized, when GWB feels fine?
Why was it ok to deny my family, basic rights and access to opportunity in the past, yet its wrong to offer a preference to their offspring now?
I dont doubt that some of you will say, stop whining about the past. However, the legacy of that past still impedes many of us today.
You’ll say were equal now just shut up.
Ok heres what i propose.
Lets have a race, 100 yards. You start here and i’ll go 50 yards ahead…ready?
Go!
Not fair, you got a head start!!
Just shut up! Were all equal now, if you dont win it must be a genetic, or social shortcoming.
No, the reason im ahead is because my parents “networked” 50 yards for me.
It’s networking, its ok!;)[/quote]
I’m not sure if this post was directed at me, but…
Networking is common practice. I think it would be fair to say that the majority of the people that wield the power in this country have gotten to that position because of networking.
I received all of my internships, my first job out of college, and every job up until now through networking based on a solid track record in my chosen industry.
I will not argue that affirmative action was never needed because anyone that truly believes that needs to be smacked upside the head and open their eyes to the reality of the world.
Is it needed now? I don’t know.
Is there some other way to give disadvantaged minorities a head start without affirmative action? Probably, but I don’t know what that is, and I was never trying to argue that point.
For the record, the most successful of my friends is black, grew up in the slums of Philadelphia, worked hard in college, networked, and got his foot in the door as an Investment Banker. Now he makes more money than most could imagine, but my point is he networked. To me it you make it sound like “networking” is closed to minority groups.
[quote]TDog305 wrote:
I received all of my internships, my first job out of college, and every job up until now through networking based on a solid track record in my chosen industry.
[/quote]
Yet you have a problem with affirmative action? I have never been given a job or received a place in a class based on affirmative action OR networking. I worked for it. You benefitted from “the system” but despise others who do the same? Society was so unbalanced just 30 years ago that the chances for a minority or a woman to get the same job as a white male and make the same money were much less. That same “networking” is what kept things that way. Those in power could easily remain in power as long as their kids and grandchildren benefitted from the family name, their current status, or even their skin color. How could someone like you who is in your position based on “favors” be against balancing the equation?
Before I say anything, I’d like to know exactly how Affirmative Action works? In employment and in applying to University/College etc.
I know it may appear like a stupid question(plus it’s coming from me…doh) but it seems few people have an accurate picture of the mechanics of it. Especially some of the people on this thread.
Thanks.
[quote]ArcaneCocaine wrote:
Before I say anything, I’d like to know exactly how Affirmative Action works? In employment and in applying to University/College etc.
I know it may appear like a stupid question(plus it’s coming from me…doh) but it seems few people have an accurate picture of the mechanics of it. Especially some of the people on this thread.
Thanks.[/quote]
http://clinton2.nara.gov/WH/EOP/OP/html/aa/aa-index.html
Maybe this will help you out a little. That is the combined research reported to the president describing the need for affirmative action including tests where two people of different races with the same credentials would go in for jobs and the results from that. If that doesn’t answer your questions, I’m not sure what will.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
ArcaneCocaine wrote:
Before I say anything, I’d like to know exactly how Affirmative Action works? In employment and in applying to University/College etc.
I know it may appear like a stupid question(plus it’s coming from me…doh) but it seems few people have an accurate picture of the mechanics of it. Especially some of the people on this thread.
Thanks.
http://clinton2.nara.gov/WH/EOP/OP/html/aa/aa-index.html
Maybe this will help you out a little. That is the combined research reported to the president describing the need for affirmative action including tests where two people of different races with the same credentials would go in for jobs and the results from that. If that doesn’t answer your questions, I’m not sure what will.[/quote]
Thanks for the link. No need to be insulting.
[quote]ArcaneCocaine wrote:
Thanks for the link. No need to be insulting.[/quote]
Where did I insult you? Post the insult. I want to read it myself because I sure didn’t type one. That would of course mean you misunderstood what was written.
[quote]ArcaneCocaine wrote:
Before I say anything, I’d like to know exactly how Affirmative Action works? In employment and in applying to University/College etc.
I know it may appear like a stupid question(plus it’s coming from me…doh) but it seems few people have an accurate picture of the mechanics of it. Especially some of the people on this thread.
Thanks.[/quote]
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761580666/Affirmative_Action.html
[quote]Professor X wrote:
TDog305 wrote:
I received all of my internships, my first job out of college, and every job up until now through networking based on a solid track record in my chosen industry.
Yet you have a problem with affirmative action? I have never been given a job or received a place in a class based on affirmative action OR networking. I worked for it. You benefitted from “the system” but despise others who do the same? Society was so unbalanced just 30 years ago that the chances for a minority or a woman to get the same job as a white male and make the same money were much less. That same “networking” is what kept things that way. Those in power could easily remain in power as long as their kids and grandchildren benefitted from the family name, their current status, or even their skin color. How could someone like you who is in your position based on “favors” be against balancing the equation?[/quote]
I NEVER said I have a problem with affirmative action, in fact above I said it has been necessary in the past, I am just not sure that it is now. The reason that I am not sure it is not still viable, is that I think that there may be better ways to approach helping the underpriveledged flourish, instead of lumping them into a category of race. Despite thinking about it at length, I am just not sure what those ways are yet.
My whole basis for chiming in on this thread was that saying that George Bush was admitted to Yale via affirmative action was a poor example.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
ArcaneCocaine wrote:
Thanks for the link. No need to be insulting.
Where did I insult you? Post the insult. I want to read it myself because I sure didn’t type one. That would of course mean you misunderstood what was written. [/quote]
Sorry I misunderstood.
“If that doesn’t answer your questions, I’m not sure what will.”
I tend to put my own emphasis on things. Plus when I insult people I say things like that.
Anyways, that link is interesting. Not done reading yet.