Chiropractors and Your Experience

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[quote]earp wrote:
Ninety percent of back pain resolves on its own in 2 months. People who go and see a chiropractor within this time might think it’s due to the treatment when it likely would get better on its own.[/quote]

That’s a stupid stat that has been debunked. the initial spasm and swelling will decrease, butt here is a change in tissue that should be worked on. and who wants to wait two months. most studies show flu , colds, and viruses just run their course in a week or so, so why bother.

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[quote]sundevil65 wrote:
tom63 wrote:
mmllcc wrote:
Chriros use the scientifically proven method of placebo with great results.

Wrong, physically working on the tissue changes the tissues. Restoring motin via adjsutmanets, pt and myofascial work, works.

Those figures they throw out about wages are crap. you don’t start out at 60-80K a year. You work for some guy who wants you to help him make more money, or strike out on your own. There are few legitimate associateships where you earn well.

You can start your own office, but it is difficult. you do not have the options of being a PT or MD, where there are a wide variety of choices, such as hospital, private clinic or office, University, etc. you lack insurance equality. Often policies have X amount of visits or dollars for chiropractic, but no such limit on medical care.

You do not have the support structure that is available to other similar professions. I’ve done it for 20 years and make a nice living, but I recommended my son away fro the profession, not because it does not do go, but because of the difficulties.

And I’ve heard that crap about people going to alternative medicine for years. Overall usage for chiropractors has not really increased in that time, believe it or not. And if Obamacare is passed the profession will be gone in 5-10 years anyway.

I am seriously warning people against it. And I’m not bitter, or angry or anything, I just don’t want people getting in over their heads and have it be to late.

I’m not really trying to argue with you but I know three people that all have starting offers in that range. They will be working for someone else to start and of course they will be making that person more money. If my starting numbers are wrong then what would you say the starting salary is?

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There no basically no starting salary. It all depends on so many different situations.

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[quote]sundevil65 wrote:
I’m curious as to what you guys think about chiropractors. Have you had good experiences with them? Is anybody on here a chiropractor? What are your thoughts on what chiropractors do and actually becoming one?[/quote]

Been going every 2 weeks since 1994, with wife and kids. Rarely get sick and all the kids make straight A’s (genetics might play a role there ;). All very healthy and happy. Good investment.

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[quote]tom63 wrote:

There no basically no starting salary. It all depends on so many different situations.[/quote]

Precisely. I have heard of people who got stuck in an apprenticeship starting at $20K a year…$20K!!! That’s fucking retarded.
If you leave chiropractic school without a plan, then you’ll probably find yourself taking whatever is offered to you because the student loans are about to kick in.
Then you end up bitter…bitter chiropractors = bad chiropactors because they are just trying to survive.

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How much does ART costs for an average guy without insurance? (Is ART even covered?)

Obviously it can vary, but a ballpark would be nice.

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[quote]mmllcc wrote:
Chriros use the scientifically proven method of placebo with great results.[/quote]

Several physios using the scientifically proven method of placebo did fuck all for me.

My chiro used the scientifically proven method of placebo with great results.

Science uses placebo to explain plenty of legitimate methods.

Science is not an exact science and experience trumps it every time.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

Experience can be misunderstood or misinterpreted.

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But never replaced.

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I know there have been some chiropractors contribute to T-Nation in the past. I don’t remember what their names are. Does anybody recall? I think it would be good to get in contact with them.

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[quote]yardbird wrote:
How much does ART costs for an average guy without insurance? (Is ART even covered?)

Obviously it can vary, but a ballpark would be nice.[/quote]

ART can be billed under myofascial release. I charge 40$ per unit, basically fifteen minutes. Out of pocket I’ll just charge you forty dollars and do what it takes. With insurance I’ll also bill for any manipulations and other therapies i do.

You might have insurance with a copay for instance of 20$. with that, you pay 20 a visit and the rest is covered. These fees might be higher in other areas, but it is affordable. A tip, if you do not have insurance talk the the Doc and see if he can give you any discount. They can always code things as one therapy and charge you for that.

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For you chiros and smart mo fo’s, (attention tom and BBB), I went to a chiro to address some serious tension and knots between my scapulae ( I believe the chiro said it was my rhomboids) as well as some stiffness with my hip flexors. He did a great job with ART, fucking hurt I must say.

My question is, the chiro told me I have restricted movement from T8-T12, these vertebrae wouldnt move for shit. Could ART be used for this area, the chiro told me he didnt feel comfortable, perhaps he felt like he might damage me further. Can scar tissue develop on these vertebrae to limit movement?

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I also want to comment on what Doug mentioned earlier and I totally agree. If your chiro is not athletically based somehow (either works on athletes or was an athlete), I would go to someone else. I went to one guy who told me to stop lifting (forever). That was his remedy. The guy who I know here, worked for the Raiders and 49ers, and he understands sports injury, I swear I am going to write this guy in my will.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
For you chiros and smart mo fo’s, (attention tom and BBB), I went to a chiro to address some serious tension and knots between my scapulae ( I believe the chiro said it was my rhomboids) as well as some stiffness with my hip flexors. He did a great job with ART, fucking hurt I must say.

My question is, the chiro told me I have restricted movement from T8-T12, these vertebrae wouldnt move for shit. Could ART be used for this area, the chiro told me he didnt feel comfortable, perhaps he felt like he might damage me further. Can scar tissue develop on these vertebrae to limit movement?

Restricted thoracic vertebrae could either be a cause, or more likely IMO, a sequelae to, rhomboid issues.

I’m surprised that a chiro did not fel comfortable releasing the vertebra. Thoracic adjustments are about the easiest to perform, with the greatest success rate (of cavitation, which doesn’t men much, but tends to reassure the patient).

How exactly did he do ART on your rhomboids anyway? That should be a hard muscle group to treat since it is short, broad and has a limited extensibility.

BBB[/quote]

First thing he did was put a heat pad on my back for about 15-20 min. They he did some electronic stimulation on between my scapulae for maybe another 10 min. Then while laying prone, he extended my arm out to my side about 90 degrees so it was parallel to the floor. Then with one arm he moved my arm up towards my head, while digging his fingers along the medial border of my scapula. He continued this pattern until the knot was gone. Note - he dug DEEP AS HOLY SHIT against my scapula and followed it as it tracked laterally as my arm moved toward my head. He did the same thing with my other scap. I went to the gym immediately after to do a back workout, and I was able to add 4 more pull-ups to my previous max. Sorry I know my description probably doesn’t paint the best picture, but it was definitely not passive at all.

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I live in Tennessee, just outside of Nashville. I have searched around and never been able to find anyone who practices ART. Any of you guys able to make a recommendation?

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What is the difference between a deep tissue massage and ART?

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I’m a chiropractor. Feel free to ask me any questions.

-Dr. Hong

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I am not sure the true cause diagnosis, or anything, only the signs and symptoms I notice.

Basically on my upper body, my whole left side is bigger and stronger than my right. I notice this imbalance on fatigued sets of bench. I notice it on Kroc Rows, that the all out set starting with my right arm first induced total fatigue, and while I go for the same # of reps on my left side, it is not as exhausting. Also, when I squat, I try to use a lower bar placement, and the right side of the bar feels unstable and a loose.

When I squat, I somewhat drift to the right on the decent (or so I notice). My left thigh is an entire inch less than my right. I’ve been doing 1-legged leg curls lately. I will hit do a weight on my left side, for so many reps. Then immediately go to my right side, so the same amount of weight, and reps, but have better control of the movement, and can squeeze at the top of the set for a second or two.

I get on and off pain my upper right leg in the middle just at groin level.

I would like to try to get help before I get a real injury or before it affects training anymore.

Is this something you would see an ART specialist for?

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
For you chiros and smart mo fo’s, (attention tom and BBB), I went to a chiro to address some serious tension and knots between my scapulae ( I believe the chiro said it was my rhomboids) as well as some stiffness with my hip flexors. He did a great job with ART, fucking hurt I must say.

My question is, the chiro told me I have restricted movement from T8-T12, these vertebrae wouldnt move for shit. Could ART be used for this area, the chiro told me he didnt feel comfortable, perhaps he felt like he might damage me further. Can scar tissue develop on these vertebrae to limit movement?[/quote]

ART can be used anywhere where there is soft tissue. and sometimes areas don’t move, ie, crack or pop. It might be sort of stuck with more of a soft tissue component. it could be erectors,lats, traps, multifidi, rotatores, and some other muscles or a few of the above.