China and Unocal

China National Offshore Oil is trying to buy Unocal Oil. This is pretty big news in the oil business. China is trying to insure future oil supplies.

Should the US support it? Oppose it?

I got a dog in this game since I have done work for Unocal and hope to do more. Don’t know much about China National.

Anybody got an opinion on this?

June 26, 2005
In Unocal Bid, U.S. Struggles With China Policies

By RICHARD W. STEVENSON

WASHINGTON, June 25 - President Bush’s initial response to the proposed takeover of a major American oil company by a Chinese rival has been to duck. It is not hard to see why.

The $18.5 billion offer by the China National Offshore Oil Corporation for Unocal, which had already made a deal to be acquired by the American oil giant, Chevron, is forcing the administration to confront its own internal rifts over whether China should be viewed as friend, foe or something in between.

It is putting a spotlight on a host of related economic and foreign-policy issues - from North Korea’s nuclear program to America’s growing dependence on foreign capital and the upward pressure on gasoline prices caused by China’s thirst for oil - that defy easy solutions.

Hardly a week goes by without Mr. Bush vowing to make America less dependent on foreign sources of energy, so any deal that increases that dependence - or is even perceived as doing so - would create a problem for him.

And the situation has left the administration once again confronting the likelihood that its numerous ties to the oil industry will become a political issue.

“It’s nothing but a headache for them,” said James B. Steinberg, who was deputy national security adviser under President Bill Clinton.

For now, the administration is in a holding pattern. With no deal yet agreed to, Treasury Secretary John W. Snow told the Senate Finance Committee on Thursday that the issue remained hypothetical. The White House has avoided substantive comment on the matter.

People inside and outside the administration who are involved in the matter said the White House would do its best to avoid taking a position for a while by referring a deal, if one is completed, to a body known as the Committee on Foreign Investments in the United States, which reviews sensitive acquisitions by companies from abroad on the basis of national security.

“We have so much on the plate with China,” said an adviser to Mr. Bush, who would speak only on the condition of anonymity because the president discourages unauthorized discussions about internal deliberations. “How do you come down hard on them for this deal?”

Dealing with energy policy has always been politically fraught for Mr. Bush, who got his start in business in the mid-1970’s as an independent oilman in West Texas and who has often been cast by his opponents as a tool of the oil industry. Vice President Dick Cheney is even more of a lightning rod for that type of criticism, having led Halliburton, the giant oilfield services company, before joining the Republican ticket in 2000.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was a director of Chevron for a decade before Mr. Bush’s election, and even had a Chevron tanker named for her. (The tanker has subsequently been renamed.)

Even if he were inclined to take a strong stand on the takeover, Mr. Bush would still have to navigate divisions among his advisers over how to proceed.

In recent months, the Pentagon and the State Department have been taking a harder line toward China, reflecting a broader push by conservatives in and out of government.

In a speech in Singapore this month, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld criticized China for stepping up military spending in the absence of an obvious threat, and said growth in political freedom in China has not matched economic growth. State Department officials have been blunt in stating that China has not done enough to use its economic clout to press North Korea into serious negotiations about ending its nuclear program.

Even before the oil deal was in the headlines, the White House was working furiously to file the rough edges off a soon-to-be-released Pentagon report on China that described the country as a potential military threat. And in just two weeks, Ms. Rice is expected to land in Beijing, pressing anew for help on North Korea and making the point that if the North refuses to give up its nuclear program, the administration wants China to join in on sanctions. The Chinese have made clear they want to avoid that at all costs.

But if Mr. Bush’s national security advisers have tended toward a more hawkish view of late, his economic team has by and large viewed China as a vast market to be opened, a vital source of capital for the United States and a country whose political liberalization can be encouraged through economic engagement. Taking punitive action against China now, Mr. Snow told the Senate Finance Committee on Thursday, would be counterproductive.

It is still not clear where some of the major players in the internal debate, especially Mr. Cheney, the primary architect of the administration’s energy policy, may come out.

“It will require some presidential leadership to address this array of issues and assign priorities and deal with the politics,” said Richard C. Bush, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution who is an authority on China.

The coming talks with Beijing over North Korea’s nuclear threat come against the backdrop of a trans-Pacific relationship that grew warmer after a rocky start at the beginning of the Bush administration. But the diplomatic maneuvering has been subject to periodic flare-ups of tension over a variety of issues, including Taiwan and China’s support for Iran, a major supplier of China’s oil.

“Remember, to the Chinese everything is related: the economics, the diplomacy, the military posture. It’s all one,” said a senior administration official, who declined to speak on the record because of the sensitivity of the diplomacy.

The White House’s reasons for playing for time, and avoiding any immediate escalation of tensions with Beijing, start with the fact that its most urgent diplomatic priority right now - defusing the nuclear threat from North Korea - depends to a great extent on cooperation from China. That effort is entering a crucial phase.

But there are other strategic reasons to keep the relationship on an even keel. The financial stability of the United States, with its chronic budget deficits and propensity to spend far more than its saves, depends increasingly on the willingness of China to buy American government bonds. Any breach in relations could lead to higher interest rates.

At the same time, the administration is trying to contain a protectionist backlash aimed not just at China but at Mr. Bush’s free-trade philosophy in general. Congress has already grown impatient with what many members of both parties see as China’s unwillingness to play by the rules of the global economy; any steps that inflame anti-China feelings could give new impetus to efforts to impose tariffs or other trade sanctions over the White House’s objections.

The proposed deal presents Mr. Bush himself with a tough trade-off when it comes to economic openness. Mr. Bush has long lauded the benefits of reduced barriers to the flow of goods, services and money, and for the most part his administration has welcomed investment by China in American companies. This year, the administration approved I.B.M.'s sale of its personal computer business to a Chinese company, Lenovo. This openness also works in the other direction: Bank of America said earlier this month that it would pay $2.5 billion for a stake in China Construction Bank.

Mr. Bush has made “energy independence” one of his defining themes. While the Chinese in this case say they would not be taking oil away from the United States, the deal’s opponents suggest that it would place a vital resource in the hands of a nation that has a voracious and growing appetite for energy to fuel its rip-roaring economic expansion.

The proposed oil deal is also a window into a much broader and even more complex topic: how the United States should manage its role in the global economy.

In the Clinton administration, globalization framed much of the debate about foreign and economic policy. Mr. Bush has tended not to view the world through the same prism, and, especially since the 9/11 terrorist attacks, globalization has been distinctly subordinated to security issues as a policy consideration.

But the forces that globalization encompasses have continued to reshape national economies and individual lives as jobs and money migrate across borders, and companies and markets adapt. And because of its high profile, the Chinese offer for Unocal could lead Mr. Bush to enunciate more of the principles he thinks should guide the painful trade-offs that globalization often requires.

“This is a piece of the larger and single most important challenge facing Americans,” said Rahm Emanuel, who was a senior adviser to Mr. Clinton before being elected to Congress as a Democrat from Illinois in 2002. “How do we compete in a global economy we know is good for us but that individually leads to less security rather than more opportunity? Unless we deal with that as a country, we will lose our predominant position.”

This is a very slippery slope.

In addition to the issues mentioned in the article, there are many potential US business projects that could be jeopardized if the Bush administration blocks the Unocal bid. Chevron has various energy joint ventures and investments within China, including the development of the Bohai Bay oil field off the northeast coast; Westinghouse is bidding to build several nuclear reactors in the country, each valued at $1.5 billion each.

To play “hardball” with China, as some in Congress are pushing for, seems very shortsighted. This is a country that holds $700 billion in foreign reserves and has financed a large portion of the US national debt. If bilateral relations go sour, it will hurt the US both economically and politically (North Korea negotiations, etc.). Too many in the US today seem intent on framing China as the new “bogey man” since the fall of the Soviet Union – as if the existence of a new superpower enemy is somehow needed to justify our existence; it isn’t.

In the long run, I think it’s better to continue taking steps to making China feeling included in the global system, engaging it as a strategic economic and political partner rather than as an adversary. The last thing the US needs is a China that feels the need to start trouble around the world (i.e. to disagree with the US at every opportunity) in order to get attention and resources.

By not interfering in the Unocal bid, the Bush administration would be taking a step in the right direction.

(BTW, it’s interesting to note that Dubya’s dad was the only president to ever block a deal investigated by the Committee on Foreign Investments in the United States, when he rejected a bid by a Chinese technology import/export company to buy a Seattle aircraft parts manufacturer.)

China wants a big oil company to become a world player. At this point others control their oil lifeline.

The Chinese Dragon Awakens

Here?s a disturbing Special Report by Bill Gertz on the awakening Chinese dragon.

China is building its military forces faster than U.S. intelligence and military analysts expected, prompting fears that Beijing will attack Taiwan in the next two years, according to Pentagon officials.

U.S. defense and intelligence officials say all the signs point in one troubling direction: Beijing then will be forced to go to war with the United States, which has vowed to defend Taiwan against a Chinese attack.

China?s military buildup includes an array of new high-technology weapons, such as warships, submarines, missiles and a maneuverable warhead designed to defeat U.S. missile defenses. Recent intelligence reports also show that China has stepped up military exercises involving amphibious assaults, viewed as another sign that it is preparing for an attack on Taiwan.

?There?s a growing consensus that at some point in the mid-to-late ?90s, there was a fundamental shift in the sophistication, breadth and re-sorting of Chinese defense planning,? said Richard Lawless, a senior China-policy maker in the Pentagon. ?And what we?re seeing now is a manifestation of that change in the number of new systems that are being deployed, the sophistication of those systems and the interoperability of the systems.?

China?s economy has been growing at a rate of at least 10 percent for each of the past 10 years, providing the country?s military with the needed funds for modernization.

The combination of a vibrant centralized economy, growing military and increasingly fervent nationalism has transformed China into what many defense officials view as a fascist state.

?We may be seeing in China the first true fascist society on the model of Nazi Germany, where you have this incredible resource base in a commercial economy with strong nationalism, which the military was able to reach into and ramp up incredible production,? a senior defense official said.

The US should oppose it based on national security issues. China’s attitude has always been “bide our time, continue to build our resourses”, I see this as right in line with that. They are out of gas and oil so they have been buying up Canadian oil companies to go along with their fields in the Sudan and this is the next logical step. China is very good at internal control and we have been caught off guard with their weapons systems upgrades.

For example their new attack subs were an unknown entity until pictures showed up, of all places, on the internet. Their IT warfare division is in the process of developing EMP bombs, which I think shows they are thinking more internationally than just Asia specific. I think the US is finally starting to take notice, the spanking of the Israeli’s for the sale of equipment/weapons to the Chinese being evidence of that, we shall see if Russia also stops, but I seriously doubt that they will.

I do not know but it could be good for the consumers. You may have to put some safe guards in place. But that is ok. I understand all the oil will stay in America.

There’s no way this would happen if it were (essentially) the US Government buying a huge Chinese company. China takes advantage of our free trade sentiments but doesn’t reciprocate. Does anyone think that China really wants to be friends with us? I’m no expert, but it doesn’t seem like it to me.

This is definitely different from the usual situation of people getting riled up because foreign individuals or businesses are buying domestic assets. It’s an entirely different matter, from a national-security standpoint, to have the Chinese government buy into a strategic industry. It may not be quite the same as having China, Inc. buy Lockheed Martin or some other high-tech defense contractor, but it’s a large step in the same direction.

In other words, it’s highly problematic, and I don’t think it should go through.

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
This is definitely different from the usual situation of people getting riled up because foreign individuals or businesses are buying domestic assets. It’s an entirely different matter, from a national-security standpoint, to have the Chinese government buy into a strategic industry. It may not be quite the same as having China, Inc. buy Lockheed Martin or some other high-tech defense contractor, but it’s a large step in the same direction.

In other words, it’s highly problematic, and I don’t think it should go through.[/quote]

I understand where you’re coming from, but don’t be surprised to see as a result of such policy a declining interest on the part of the Chinese in holding dollar denominated assets like T-bills.

That would definitely be a rather non-strategic result.

[quote]endgamer711 wrote:
I understand where you’re coming from, but don’t be surprised to see as a result of such policy a declining interest on the part of the Chinese in holding dollar denominated assets like T-bills.

That would definitely be a rather non-strategic result.[/quote]

Hmm… so are we all in agreement about how the Chinese getting their hands on this company makes for bad karma here? Or is this no big deal to someone?

Assuming we all see that this purchase is a bad step, are we weighing the pros and cons with an eye to how the Chinese can hurt us like endgamer mentioned above? Are we being told “let this happen or else” by the Chinese?

[quote]dcrosswell1 wrote:
There’s no way this would happen if it were (essentially) the US Government buying a huge Chinese company. China takes advantage of our free trade sentiments but doesn’t reciprocate. Does anyone think that China really wants to be friends with us? I’m no expert, but it doesn’t seem like it to me. [/quote]
You point is right on me thinks. They will be your friend if it’s to their advantage. We should have the same policy.

Of course we are strategic competitors. They are too big to be anything else. We should keep it as friendly as possible, but this fact must be kept in mind. Giving them Unocal seems a little too friendly to me.

CNOOC is simply a proxy for the government of China. A large part of this all cash bid (which is unusual in itself for a takeover of this size) is financed by the Government of China at below market interest rates (about 3.5%). In addition, the Chevron deal has been approved, and includes a $500 million breakup fee, that Chevron would get if the deal is off.

Our Oil & Gas analyst says it likely won?t happen ? Chevron will counter with a cash and stock bid, plus the politicians will become involved to block any attempt (2 California senators have already started making noises about national security issues).


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This is probably only important if you are upset that Shell oil is owned by the Dutch.

Yeah, because China and the Netherlands are really alike. Does anyone else hate China because of all the global problems they are likely to cause in the near future? War, lack of food, ecological devastation, flu pandemic, unethical economic and business practices, and that’s just what is hurting the rest of the world. That’s not to mention the problems of their own citizens. It’s too bad there is no easy way to take them down a notch. Plus I think I’m biased against China, because every Chinese person from China I have met is a shit-eating, elitest, racist, stupid, asshole. I don’t believe that Asian bell curve crap at all.

[quote]Pretzel Logic wrote:
…Plus I think I’m biased against China, because every Chinese person from China I have met is a shit-eating, elitest, racist, stupid, asshole…[/quote]

Dude, what happened? Why all the hate and anger?

Let me guess: Chinese students in your physics class skewed the grading curve and f-cked you over big time?

It is easier for the Chinese government to buy oil companies than it is for them to invade a country that has oil…oops my bad.

Physics! Physics? I barely passed chemistry in high school. The table faces(I love racial slurs of all kinds, they are very cool,try 'em) I’m talking about are regular working stiffs like me. They are just butt nuggets. The bell curve I was referring to was the book. It said that jews and asians had higher IQ’s than whites, and blacks and mexicans had lower. I did hear something about Chinese in college somewhere in California having trouble getting in because they were doing too good. You have blacks who are too dumb and you make it easy for them and give a free pass and you have Chinese who are too smart and you try to keep them away. What ever happend to treating all non-whites equally shitty? Oh yeah, to stupid war for oil comentator. I wish we would have invaded for oil. I wish we had rolled over Iraq, turned it to ruble and declared the oilfields property of the U.S. I want cheaper gas, where is my $.50/gal. gas? I guess that didn’t happen though, did it.

F China.

Make them suffer high oil prices with no end in sight just like the rest of us poor slobs.

China could really help themselves more by building oil refineries that can convert the dirtier oil to gasoline, diesel, etc and let the rest of the world fight over the ‘Texas Sweet’ oil.

Just my $0.02.

Anyone have thoughts on this?

It doesn’t take alot of sense to see this is a very bad idea. If anything, we should not allow this to happen because of China’s labor practices, and we should not allow a country that has nukes pointed at us to purchase a stratigec national industry. We have an agreement with Taiwan that we will help them when China attacks them. Military News and Opinion Articles | Military.com. I don’t even know how the hell we’ll have a chance at defeating China either considering they have cornered the steel market, and have manufacturing tech just as good as ours (because it is ours).

[quote]coloradosteve wrote:
It doesn’t take alot of sense to see this is a very bad idea. If anything, we should not allow this to happen because of China’s labor practices, and we should not allow a country that has nukes pointed at us to purchase a stratigec national industry. We have an agreement with Taiwan that we will help them when China attacks them. Military News and Opinion Articles | Military.com. I don’t even know how the hell we’ll have a chance at defeating China either considering they have cornered the steel market, and have manufacturing tech just as good as ours (because it is ours). [/quote]

China’s economy survives because of the indulgence of the US Navy.

China is a continental power. Although they have a small capable coastal fleet it would be swept from the sea in less then a week by the US.

If a blockade was set up China’s import of material and export of finished product would cease within 10 days. The closing of factories would create enonormous domestic unrest and likely undermine the present regime.

The real danger militarily from China lies in the future. At it’s present economic growth rate fueling a growing military will make China a superpower within 10 years or so. The naval advantage we have now is overwhelming. It will not be forever if we let it lag.

I am not suggesting a blockade, simply pointing out that it is a strategic concern of China that is very real. All of the actions they are taking are designed to make China a superpower in the future.