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[quote]orion wrote:
to keep it short:
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I shall attempt to be equally succinct

Is per capita still tied to population? Does Austria have as big a population as the U.S.? Also:
“Without generous foreign aid, Austria would have been plunged into such misery for an indefinite period of time that a slow redevelopment would only have been possible at the greatest cost and under the most extreme hardship.” (Franz Nemschak, Director of the Austrian Institute of Economic Research, WIFO, in 1955).

The European Reconstruction Plan (ERP), also called the Marshall Plan after the U.S. Secretary of State who introduced it, has been repeatedly praised as the most successful initiative of U.S. foreign policy and the most effective reconstruction program in history. Without it, reconstruction of the Austrian economy after World War II would have been inconceivable. Although the so-called Austrian “economic miracle” of the 1960s was essentially based on the hard work of the reconstruction generation, its genesis was stimulated and accelerated by the post-war American aid programs.

In 1945, before the European Reconstruction Program was introduced, massive food supplies came to Austria through the U.S. Government Aid and Relief in Occupied Areas (GARIOA) program. In addition, there were CARE packages in 1945/46, a private U.S. citizen initiative, and the United Nations Relief and Rehabilitation Administration (UNRRA) in 1946, which was primarily funded by the U.S. From 1945 to 1947, the U.S. financed 88% of the Austrian imports and was still funding 57% in 1948. This shows that the extent of economic aid provided before the Marshall Plan was as critical to Austrian recovery as the plan itself.

Now I don’t know if this is a reputible site or not but feel free to check it out. http://www.austria.org/april05/rebuildingaustria.shtml

[quote]Cowards? An American pilot dropping bombs or a submarine commander starting a cruise missile => Americas finest?[/quote] Aiming at a MILITARY target, um yes.

When the building is a civilian and undefended target, um yes!

[quote]You could not even come on an Austrian message board because your German is as good as my Chinese…[/quote] LOL, well you got me there, but I am trying to learn Dutch.

[quote]Last but not least, you earned nothing. Your grandfather did, maybe your father, YOU were just born lucky.

[/quote]
Actually, I’ve spent the last 10 years of my life “earning” it. And I’ll tell you a little secret. We in uniform couldn’t do what we do without the support and assistance of American citizens. No citizens, no military defense. I’m sure it is similar in your country. -Aaron

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[quote]orion wrote:
Yeah, that would proof that an overwhelmingly strong force does not have to have convincing arguments or be morally right, they can just bom…, um, beat the shit out of everybody…
[/quote]

Some people understand nothing else but to have the shit beat out of them. Actually, many people out there would never be stopped from Offending and/or Harming others by gentle arguments, reason, negotiation, but only by having the shit kicked out of them. It’s a fact of life.

Look at Law Enforcement. Simply a strong presence is known to be a huge deterrent to a good percentage of crimes. If cops didn’t carry guns, sticks, pepper spray or stun guns, weren’t at all allowed to use force but only to be nice and plead with criminals “please don’t”, the crime rate would be crazy.

Sure, “being nice” works with reasonable, law abiding citizens. But homocidal maniacs, violent fanatics and the like, that would require a more forceful approach to stop them. Dealing with a criminal element means you are dealing with a different mentality and hence must have a different approach in order to be effective.

Same as world policy. Terrorists kill innocent people all the time. We’ve tried to negotiate but they insist they will continue until the end of time. Therefore, strong arguments and being morally right have no impact upon them, haven’t for decades. Over time, their terrorist acts have become even more violent, even larger-scale and they have pledged to continue this trend not only toward the U.S., but also AROUND THE WORLD.

Should our president and administration be nice still, knowing this will ALLOW MORE terroristic activity AROUND THE WORLD? Or should we deal with the maniacs on terms that will actually affect them, therby enabling the harm of even more innocent citizens AROUND THE WORLD?

I know Alberta will have a smart-ass, know-it-all, long-winded answer for this. For him, a pink purse. Oh and thanks Alberta for hijacking a thread that intended to honor the memory of thousands of Americans.

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[quote]orion wrote:

Last but not least, you earned nothing. Your grandfather did, maybe your father, YOU were just born lucky.

[/quote]

No - we have taken and added upon the Greatest Generation.

You would not have the ability to post on an american message baord and tell us how bad we are without contributions from Americans that made it possible. This of course does not include the Father of the internet, ALgore.

And of course you can sit back and tell us how much more you give when it is our soldiers that keep you safe. You don’t seem to want to figure that in. But that’s okay - and FYI - it’s not other generations doing that - we are doing it right now as we speak.

Fat, lazy Austians needn’t try and tell us how selfish we are. It just makes you look fatter and lazier.

You sound like a jealous little hater. I am not suprised. You are always on the anti-american side of the argument.

You can say whatever makes you feel better about whatever menial money you give to other countries. The U.S. is the gardian of the world. We have been since 1945.

And that just has to twist your little Euro-centric panties.

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Great posts, t-men…

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
orion wrote:

Last but not least, you earned nothing. Your grandfather did, maybe your father, YOU were just born lucky.

No - we have taken and added upon the Greatest Generation.

You would not have the ability to post on an american message baord and tell us how bad we are without contributions from Americans that made it possible. This of course does not include the Father of the internet, ALgore.

And of course you can sit back and tell us how much more you give when it is our soldiers that keep you safe. You don’t seem to want to figure that in. But that’s okay - and FYI - it’s not other generations doing that - we are doing it right now as we speak.

Fat, lazy Austians needn’t try and tell us how selfish we are. It just makes you look fatter and lazier.

You sound like a jealous little hater. I am not suprised. You are always on the anti-american side of the argument.

You can say whatever makes you feel better about whatever menial money you give to other countries. The U.S. is the gardian of the world. We have been since 1945.

And that just has to twist your little Euro-centric panties.

[/quote]

Yup, finally I feel understood:

I am siting here on my fat, lazy, Austrian ass, felling insecure because I was not born in the US of A…

My deep rooted feelings of inferiority (because of not being born an American) force me to deal with my hatred by being, (wait,I cant`t be unpatriotric) ah well, anti-american…

Or, alternate reality:

If a thread becomes a bit one-sided, and groupthink raises it`s ugly head, I just like to remind people that, no, it is not that simple…

Hint: not being stupidly, blindly, religiously pro- American does not mean being anti-American…

Bonus hint: You sometimes see things from the outside, you cannot see from within.

Extra bonus hint: If I hated America I?d be building bombs instead of discussing with Americans.

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[quote]chinadoll wrote:
Great posts, t-men…[/quote]

I just adore that bag.

Any chance you know where I could get me one of those?

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[quote]orion wrote:
ZEB wrote:
orion wrote:
ZEB wrote:

“Infantile thinking” is probably the best analysis.

He has not matured enough to have empathy for those 3000 folks who lost their lives needlessly.

It doesn’t directly effect him so he did not feel it. He’s probably never lost a close friend or relative to a tragic accident.

Hopefully, getting slapped around the message board for his immature comments has given him at least some maturity.

Well then most Americans have not matured enough to have empathy for all the lives lost needlessly because of direct American military interventions or by ruthless dictators that were helped to gain power or helped to keep it by the US…

According to your reactions you are not deeply wounded and full of grieve because 3000 people died, it?s that 3000 American civilians died on your soil…

It is a whole different ballgame if it could actually happen to you and your family isn`t it?

Welcome ladies and gentlemen to the concept the rest of the world talks about when it talks about war.

No, actually I have a great amount of empathy for all of those who have lost their lives in the war. And for their family mambers as well.

Was it General Douglas MacArthur who said “war is hell?”

But…

that doesn’t mean that our actions are wrong. Some things are just flat out nasty, but necessary.

As adults we can understand these things…well many of us do anyway.

Bin Laden defends the Umma, the summ of all believing people.

He does so because it is his holy duty…

I am sure he would agree that war is hell but sometimes necessary…

Is he an adult?[/quote]

I’m sorry I didn’t think I needed to add “in all free societies good men and women” think that way.

But then again…I forgot who I was speaking to.

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[quote]AlbertaBeef wrote:

“Infantile thinking” is probably the best analysis.

He has not matured enough to have empathy for those 3000 folks who lost their lives needlessly.

I had empathy for those deaths, until America decided to use it as an excuse to go crusading across the world to spread its economic agenda under the guise of “freedom and democracy”.[/quote]

Now you add the title of “liar” to your immaturity…and that’s a shame.

By your own admission in your very first post you simply shrugged it off and went back to doing what you were doing.

Why don’t you just apologize and then go change your screen name. I’m not sure there are many of us that will you allow you to forget about those ugly comments of yours.

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[quote]chinadoll wrote:
orion wrote:
Yeah, that would proof that an overwhelmingly strong force does not have to have convincing arguments or be morally right, they can just bom…, um, beat the shit out of everybody…

Some people understand nothing else but to have the shit beat out of them. Actually, many people out there would never be stopped from Offending and/or Harming others by gentle arguments, reason, negotiation, but only by having the shit kicked out of them. It’s a fact of life.

Look at Law Enforcement. Simply a strong presence is known to be a huge deterrent to a good percentage of crimes. If cops didn’t carry guns, sticks, pepper spray or stun guns, weren’t at all allowed to use force but only to be nice and plead with criminals “please don’t”, the crime rate would be crazy.

Sure, “being nice” works with reasonable, law abiding citizens. But homocidal maniacs, violent fanatics and the like, that would require a more forceful approach to stop them. Dealing with a criminal element means you are dealing with a different mentality and hence must have a different approach in order to be effective.

Same as world policy. Terrorists kill innocent people all the time. We’ve tried to negotiate but they insist they will continue until the end of time. Therefore, strong arguments and being morally right have no impact upon them, haven’t for decades. Over time, their terrorist acts have become even more violent, even larger-scale and they have pledged to continue this trend not only toward the U.S., but also AROUND THE WORLD.

Should our president and administration be nice still, knowing this will ALLOW MORE terroristic activity AROUND THE WORLD? Or should we deal with the maniacs on terms that will actually affect them, therby enabling the harm of even more innocent citizens AROUND THE WORLD?

I know Alberta will have a smart-ass, know-it-all, long-winded answer for this. For him, a pink purse. Oh and thanks Alberta for hijacking a thread that intended to honor the memory of thousands of Americans.[/quote]

Good post chinadoll…then again I’ve never seen a bad one from you.

In Orions case he is a fiercely anti-American, always has been. This time I think he stepped over the line.

In Alberta’s case he really is a punk kid who doesn’t know what he’s talking about. But like most punk kids who have a computer he will just keep pounding the keyboard until someone stops paying the bills for him.

Neither of the two has ruined this great thread that you have begun. What they have done is expose themselves for what they are and it will not be forgotten by any of us!

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Why don’t you just apologize and then go change your screen name.[/quote]

Thank you Zeb! Nice to see you here!!! You’re ever the voice of reason.

And seems to me maybe Alberta has an alter ego screen name “ss0”?

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[quote]orion wrote:
chinadoll wrote:
Great posts, t-men…

I just adore that bag.

Any chance you know where I could get me one of those?[/quote]

Actually, it IS pretty cute. Maybe I should keep it and give this one to Alberta…

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
it will not be forgotten by any of us![/quote]

Amen!

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[quote]AndrewG909 wrote:
harris447 wrote:
A shiny quarter to the first person who can tell me why there never has been and never will be a terrorist attack on Canada.
I guess no shiny quarters will be given out because that is a stupid question.

This is a list of terrorist attacks that occurred in Canada.
Prior to 1960

* April 7, 1868 - Thomas D'Arcy McGee is assassinated in Ottawa by an Irish nationalist.

1960s

* November 25, 1965 - Croatian nationalists bomb the Yugoslavian consulate in Toronto.
* September 22, 1966 - A bazooka attack on the Cuban embassy in Ottawa is made.
* October 5, 1966 - Anti-Castro forces bomb the offices of the Cuban trade delegation in Ottawa.
* January 29, 1967 - The Yugoslavian embassy in Ottawa and the consulate in Toronto are among six Yugoslavian offices bombed in North America.
* May 31, 1967: A small bomb explodes at the Cuba Pavilion at Expo '67 in Montreal. The attack is attributed to Cuban Nationalist Action.
* October 15, 1967: A bomb explodes at the offices of the Cuban trade delegation in Montreal.
* May 29, 1969: A bomb is placed in the doorway of the Cuban consulate in Montreal, it fails to go off.

1970s

* October 10, 1970: British diplomat James Cross and Quebec Minister of Labour Pierre Laporte are kidnapped by the Front de Lib?ration du Qu?bec (FLQ) in Montreal. (The dead body of Pierre Laporte was discovered in the trunk of a car in Montreal on October 17, 1970; Cross was released on December 3, 1970.)
* July 12, 1971: A small bomb goes off at the offices of the Cuban trade delegation in Montreal.
* April 4, 1972: Cuban official Sergio P?rez Castillo is killed by an explosion at the Cuban consulate at Montreal.
* January 21, 1974: A bomb explodes at the Cuban embassy in Ottawa. It is attributed to Orlando Bosch.
* September 22, 1976: An explosive device is thrown from a car at the Cuban consulate in Montreal.

1980s

* January 14, 1980: A large explosion significantly damages the Cuban consulate in Montreal.
* April 8, 1982 - Turkish Commercial Counselor to Canada Kani G?ng?r is paralyzed after an attack by Armenian nationalists at his Ottawa apartment.
* August 23, 1982 - Turkish military attach? to Canada, Col. Atilla Altikat, is assassinated by Armenian terrorists in Ottawa.
* October 14, 1982 - The anarchist group Direct Action bombs a Litton Industries factory north of Toronto that is manufacturing guidance devices for American cruise missiles, ten are injured.
* March 12, 1985 - A group of Armenian terrorists seize the Turkish embassy, killing a Canadian security guard
* June 23, 1985 - Air India flight 182 leaving Montreal's Mirabel International Airport is blown up mid-flight to London.
* May 26, 1986 - An attempt is made in Vancouver to assassinate Malkiat Singh Sidhu, a cabinet minister in the Indian province of Punjab
* August 28, 1988 - Indo-Canadian Times editor Tara Singh Hayer is shot and partially paralyzed
* December 6, 1989 - Anti-feminist Marc L?pine shoots 26 people at the ?cole Polytechnique de Montr?al.

1990s

* April 5, 1992 - The Iranian embassy in Ottawa is stormed by members of MEK, an Iraq-supported leftist group.
* November 18, 1995 - Newspaper editor Tara Singh Hayer is assassinated for his strident opposition to Sikh militants. [/quote]

Yeaaaaah…I was talking about real terrorism.

The answer is because Canada doesn’t matter!

Thanks for playing.

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Now Now Harris, let’s play fair. Those terrorist attacks were very much real to the victims. I want my shiny quarter DAMMIT!!! :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

I will find you in every thread and demand it until I get it.

You can make payments, one penny a day for an entire month. I know thats more than 25 cents but I gotta charge ya interest.

[quote]harris447 wrote:
AndrewG909 wrote:
harris447 wrote:
A shiny quarter to the first person who can tell me why there never has been and never will be a terrorist attack on Canada.
I guess no shiny quarters will be given out because that is a stupid question.

This is a list of terrorist attacks that occurred in Canada.
Prior to 1960

* April 7, 1868 - Thomas D'Arcy McGee is assassinated in Ottawa by an Irish nationalist.

1960s

* November 25, 1965 - Croatian nationalists bomb the Yugoslavian consulate in Toronto.
* September 22, 1966 - A bazooka attack on the Cuban embassy in Ottawa is made.
* October 5, 1966 - Anti-Castro forces bomb the offices of the Cuban trade delegation in Ottawa.
* January 29, 1967 - The Yugoslavian embassy in Ottawa and the consulate in Toronto are among six Yugoslavian offices bombed in North America.
* May 31, 1967: A small bomb explodes at the Cuba Pavilion at Expo '67 in Montreal. The attack is attributed to Cuban Nationalist Action.
* October 15, 1967: A bomb explodes at the offices of the Cuban trade delegation in Montreal.
* May 29, 1969: A bomb is placed in the doorway of the Cuban consulate in Montreal, it fails to go off.

1970s

* October 10, 1970: British diplomat James Cross and Quebec Minister of Labour Pierre Laporte are kidnapped by the Front de Lib?ration du Qu?bec (FLQ) in Montreal. (The dead body of Pierre Laporte was discovered in the trunk of a car in Montreal on October 17, 1970; Cross was released on December 3, 1970.)
* July 12, 1971: A small bomb goes off at the offices of the Cuban trade delegation in Montreal.
* April 4, 1972: Cuban official Sergio P?rez Castillo is killed by an explosion at the Cuban consulate at Montreal.
* January 21, 1974: A bomb explodes at the Cuban embassy in Ottawa. It is attributed to Orlando Bosch.
* September 22, 1976: An explosive device is thrown from a car at the Cuban consulate in Montreal.

1980s

* January 14, 1980: A large explosion significantly damages the Cuban consulate in Montreal.
* April 8, 1982 - Turkish Commercial Counselor to Canada Kani G?ng?r is paralyzed after an attack by Armenian nationalists at his Ottawa apartment.
* August 23, 1982 - Turkish military attach? to Canada, Col. Atilla Altikat, is assassinated by Armenian terrorists in Ottawa.
* October 14, 1982 - The anarchist group Direct Action bombs a Litton Industries factory north of Toronto that is manufacturing guidance devices for American cruise missiles, ten are injured.
* March 12, 1985 - A group of Armenian terrorists seize the Turkish embassy, killing a Canadian security guard
* June 23, 1985 - Air India flight 182 leaving Montreal's Mirabel International Airport is blown up mid-flight to London.
* May 26, 1986 - An attempt is made in Vancouver to assassinate Malkiat Singh Sidhu, a cabinet minister in the Indian province of Punjab
* August 28, 1988 - Indo-Canadian Times editor Tara Singh Hayer is shot and partially paralyzed
* December 6, 1989 - Anti-feminist Marc L?pine shoots 26 people at the ?cole Polytechnique de Montr?al.

1990s

* April 5, 1992 - The Iranian embassy in Ottawa is stormed by members of MEK, an Iraq-supported leftist group.
* November 18, 1995 - Newspaper editor Tara Singh Hayer is assassinated for his strident opposition to Sikh militants.

Yeaaaaah…I was talking about real terrorism.

The answer is because Canada doesn’t matter!

Thanks for playing.

[/quote]

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[quote]orion wrote:

If a thread becomes a bit one-sided, and groupthink raises it`s ugly head, I just like to remind people that, no, it is not that simple…[/quote]

Ahhh…but wrt to 9/11 it is just that simple. This is an american thread about an american tragedy. Outsiders such as you that think it is their duty to tell us how evil we are have no real place in this thread.

Thanks. I am fully aware of the difference. You evidently have trouble seeing that line, and prefer the “hate america” side, all the while pretending that you are bringing enlightenment.

Evidently you don’t understand the premise of this thread. Why do we need outside input from haters when this is a matter that is specifically about an American tragedy? Wanna start a “9/11 - the Euro-centric, Anti-American viewpoint”? Go right ahead. Your input in this thread is not really needed, regardless of how insightful and smart you think it is.

Or you could be giving aid and comfort to those that are making the bombs by sympathizing with their position, and being a co-complaintant right along side them.

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Many people have to die in order to see the big picture, and thats exactly whats going to happen here. at the same time global warming effects us all, and the cancerious sun will eat away at the public.

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[quote]ssn0 wrote:
Many people have to die in order to see the big picture, and thats exactly whats going to happen here. at the same time global warming effects us all, and the cancerious sun will eat away at the public.
[/quote]

DO you have any proof of how this global warming affects us all? I call bullshit.

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[quote]chinadoll wrote:
orion wrote:
chinadoll wrote:
Great posts, t-men…

I just adore that bag.

Any chance you know where I could get me one of those?

Actually, it IS pretty cute. Maybe I should keep it and give this one to Alberta…[/quote]

No keep it yourself, I’m sure he already has one, perhaps a pink dress if you have one?

And i hope no one thinks that Austria is Australia, just clarifying this.

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[quote]aussie486 wrote:
chinadoll wrote:
orion wrote:
chinadoll wrote:
Great posts, t-men…

I just adore that bag.

Any chance you know where I could get me one of those?

Actually, it IS pretty cute. Maybe I should keep it and give this one to Alberta…

No keep it yourself, I’m sure he already has one, perhaps a pink dress if you have one?

And i hope no one thinks that Austria is Australia, just clarifying this.

[/quote]
Australia is the one with kangaroos and everyone walks around bare foot and still goes hunting with bows and arrows, right???
lol jk

Damn us Americans with our celf centered point of view. We don’t learn anything about other countries or other points of view because we are all brainwashed by the media. Thanks albertabeef for opening my eyes to all the flaws in America. Now I’m going to go read mein kampf (or is it my hemp?) and create a table showing why America is the WORSTEST country ever!!!

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[quote]aussie486 wrote:
chinadoll wrote:
orion wrote:
chinadoll wrote:
Great posts, t-men…

And i hope no one thinks that Austria is Australia, just clarifying this.

[/quote]
No way man-Crocodile Dundy LOVED New York.We all saw it-he loved NY. No worries mate.