Child Falls Into Dog Pen at Zoo

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[quote]furo wrote:
I agree that the dog’s focus is going to be on survival. I’m sure I’d get destroyed if they were intent on killing me, but I’d like to think I’d jump in there regardless if my child’s life was at stake.

I was going to say that I agree that they would recognise how dangerous and not worth their time it would be to attack another larger animal protecting it’s young, but then I saw this:

I can’t imagine the Hunting Dogs would gain much by attacking the hyena, but it didn’t seem to deter them. And I’m sure a hyena is better equipped to defend itself than a human.

In term sof being killed by hunting dogs, I’d be interested to know how it would be done. They are a maximum of 80lb and humans are pretty well designed in that vulnerable areas such as the throat are pretty far out of reach when standing. I don’t know how it would go down either way, it is interesting. I mean I’m sure the human would take loads of damage, but I’m not sure how the dogs would go about actually killing them. I guess they would have to spend ages dragging the guy to the ground and then it would be game over. [/quote]

They kill through evisceration. They first thing they would go for are your nuts and guts, which are fully exposed. Notice how the Hyena kept his ass planted.

I think most fathers would instinctually jump in but if the dogs were intent on killing you are done. Hopefully, they are well fed enough and have retained enough fear of man to be fended off.

Lol at the tough guys saying how they would take out ONE eighty pound wild animal. Like was mentioned earlier, mess with a twenty pound coon and then we can talk. Shit, a hundred pound DEER will straight up kick your ass.

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[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I think you’re missing the point here. 1 human vs 1 wild dog = advantage human. 1 human vs 4 wild dogs = advantage dogs.

They also don’t sit in front on their computer and drink coffee and eat donuts. They spend all day every day either killing, sleeping, or escaping death. They are predators.

You also keep talking about their size. Size is not always an indication of strenght. [/quote]

Bah. Those zoo dogs spend their entire day eating and yawning. They have the instincts of predators though still. I honestly believe that size actually is a pretty good indication of strength. Generally, if an animal is larger, it is stronger. They are just little guys with relatively strong bites. I mean I agree that the advantage is with the dogs, and that if they had a mind to, they could all rush in and tear you to pieces (still think you could kill some in the process tho). But what I said is that you could fight them off, and I firmly believe that. If you look at footage of the ones actually in the wild taking on a hyena or a warthog (both smaller than me even), they are like ridiculously cautious. They don’t rush in and tear them apart like land piranhas.[/quote]

Ehh you never know man, you never know. You may very well be right. There’s also about 100 things to factor in so…

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[quote]Vagina Whisperer wrote:

single leopard wimps outs against pack.[/quote]

Yeah but he is only 200 pounds and a big pussycat. Oh and carries 300 pound prey up into trees to protect it.

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[quote]csulli wrote:
Also, you people worried about the fall, 14ft isn’t much of a drop. Start by dropping your body down while hanging onto the ledge with your hands. Voila, the fall’s only 8ft now. That shouldn’t be an issue.[/quote]

Not for everyone. For Iron Dwarf it’s still a 12 foot drop.

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[quote]Testy1 wrote:
Lol at the tough guys saying how they would take out ONE eighty pound wild animal. Like was mentioned earlier, mess with a twenty pound coon and then we can talk. Shit, a hundred pound DEER will straight up kick your ass. [/quote]

Oh you’re full of shit man! 80lbs? That’s weaksauce. Unless the animal gets in an amazing bite it’s hosed. I’m sure probably one of my arms might be torn to ribbons or something, but I wouldn’t fucking be dead, and it would. You’re a traitor to your species!

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This is a tragedy. That woman will be in her own prison for the rest of her life. Most mothers that lose a child are beyond traumatized.

I believe the dogs attacked because they are territorial and that child entered their turf.

If it were my kid, I would be in there. I am not going to offer conjecture upon my survival, because its pointless.

If it were someone elses, I think most people would give it second thought, in all due honesty.

People tend to react to either fight or flight, and I believe most people simply become paralyzed when faced with such a situation.

There is a reason even primitive humans devised weapons.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
All I’m saying is that if a pack of 10 wild dogs wants too, they will kill and consumer a full grown adult man, without question. We are not the top of the food chain in every situation.

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I don’t disagree with this. If those dogs decided to get the child or a man who jumped in to save the child, the man and child would be toast. No doubt. I’m arguing that the dogs could be intimidated until help arrived.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

We also don’t know when or if these animals were brought/breed in capitivity.

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9 of them were born in 2006 at the zoo.

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[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:
Also, you people worried about the fall, 14ft isn’t much of a drop. Start by dropping your body down while hanging onto the ledge with your hands. Voila, the fall’s only 8ft now. That shouldn’t be an issue.[/quote]

Not for everyone. For Iron Dwarf it’s still a 12 foot drop.[/quote]

You just HAD to toss that in, didn’t you, SS?

lol

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[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]furo wrote:
I agree that the dog’s focus is going to be on survival. I’m sure I’d get destroyed if they were intent on killing me, but I’d like to think I’d jump in there regardless if my child’s life was at stake.

I was going to say that I agree that they would recognise how dangerous and not worth their time it would be to attack another larger animal protecting it’s young, but then I saw this:

I can’t imagine the Hunting Dogs would gain much by attacking the hyena, but it didn’t seem to deter them. And I’m sure a hyena is better equipped to defend itself than a human.

In term sof being killed by hunting dogs, I’d be interested to know how it would be done. They are a maximum of 80lb and humans are pretty well designed in that vulnerable areas such as the throat are pretty far out of reach when standing. I don’t know how it would go down either way, it is interesting. I mean I’m sure the human would take loads of damage, but I’m not sure how the dogs would go about actually killing them. I guess they would have to spend ages dragging the guy to the ground and then it would be game over. [/quote]

They kill through evisceration. They first thing they would go for are your nuts and guts, which are fully exposed. Notice how the Hyena kept his ass planted.

I think most fathers would instinctually jump in but if the dogs were intent on killing you are done. Hopefully, they are well fed enough and have retained enough fear of man to be fended off.

Lol at the tough guys saying how they would take out ONE eighty pound wild animal. Like was mentioned earlier, mess with a twenty pound coon and then we can talk. Shit, a hundred pound DEER will straight up kick your ass. [/quote]

Yeah, most police dogs are in the 75-85 lb range and they pretty consistently come out on top against violent criminals one on one. If you have ever seen footage or live action of a PSD doing his business it should be enough to give you pause, if you’ve got any sense. 75lbs of goal-oriented, fast, agile bone and muscle that wants with every fiber of it’s being to do nothing more than bite you and is perfectly adapted to do just that is nothing to sneeze at. X1 you’ve maybe got a chance if you’re smart, tough and lucky x10, well…

Like I said earlier, your only real hope IMO is to be big, loud and aggressive enough that you can dissuade them long enough for help to arrive. I think your chances of doing this are reasonable. Predators usually aren’t looking for a fight. If you have to fight off a committed attack, you are likely pretty much fucked. Hopefully you can at least divert their attention long enough that the child can be rescued. Besides, if I came home without my kid because I dropped her in a pit of wild dogs and then did nothing to save her, my wife would just kill me in some horrible fashion anyway. I’ll take my chances with the dogs.

Oh, and raccoons are the spawn of Satan. I want no part of scrapping with one of those.

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[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:
Lol at the tough guys saying how they would take out ONE eighty pound wild animal. Like was mentioned earlier, mess with a twenty pound coon and then we can talk. Shit, a hundred pound DEER will straight up kick your ass. [/quote]

Oh you’re full of shit man! 80lbs? That’s weaksauce. Unless the animal gets in an amazing bite it’s hosed. [/quote]

Like I said, most police service dogs are between 75 and 80lbs. They are not at all weaksauce. They routinely take down violent criminals one on one. They do not kill them because a.) they are not trained to and b.) the handler breaks it up.

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I’ve killed plenty of raccoons with a bat/stomping them, why is that a big deal to people? Never me vs 12 of them though.

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[quote]batman730 wrote:
Yeah, most police dogs are in the 75-85 lb range and they pretty consistently come out on top against violent criminals one on one. If you have ever seen footage or live action of a PSD doing his business it should be enough to give you pause, if you’ve got any sense. 75lbs of goal-oriented, fast, agile bone and muscle that wants with every fiber of it’s being to do nothing more than bite you and is perfectly adapted to do just that is nothing to sneeze at.[/quote]

I would be a lot more scared of a police dog given the order to attack me than the dogs in this scenario honestly.

That being said…

I know the criminals get owned by the dogs pretty much 100% of the time lol. But they are usually not strong or fast, and they’re virtually always running away. What if you meant to actually fight the dog? Take a scary dude like a running back type fella or something against an 80lb police dog. If it was just man vs dog? The dog’s momentum at top speed would be like 486kgm/s or somewhere around there. The man’s momentum? Closer to 900, more if he got up to top running speed. It all has to do with minimizing the damage of the dog’s powerful bite. If you can do that, a strong man should win, especially if he has a knife or something. That dog isn’t going to be knocking him down or dragging him all over the place, it would be the other way around.

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[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:
Also, you people worried about the fall, 14ft isn’t much of a drop. Start by dropping your body down while hanging onto the ledge with your hands. Voila, the fall’s only 8ft now. That shouldn’t be an issue.[/quote]

I doubt its as simple as you describe. There’s the netting that you would probably have to jump over so you wouldn’t be able to lower yourself down. The area below will likely be sloped down increasing your risk of injury. It might also be concrete. Fourteen feet is pretty darn high.

As an elastic 20 year old with a dare-devil mentality I wouldn’t just go and jump from 14 feet onto the ground. Maybe sand. I was a pole vaulter and I didn’t relish stalling out. Stalling out is when you don’t make it into the pit and you have to ride the pole back down. My grip was at 15 feet and I would be hanging from it so I wasn’t coming down from anywhere near that high. I never got hurt but believe me, as you are coming down from that situation you are on high alert for your safety.

As a fit 47 year old I’m confident if I warmed up and got ready I could jump from 14 feet onto level grass without getting hurt. If I am wondering around a zoo all day and suddenly having to jump from 14 feet onto a hard or uneven surface then I am not confident at all. I’m more sure I could intimidate those dogs away from a child than I could manage the entry into the habitat.[/quote]

I understand there are some variables such as netting, but fourteen feet is a hell of a fall.

My buddy almost died falling climbing out of his treestand from about this height. He also hit some branches on the way down further slowing his fall and landed on snow covered ground that had not frozen yet. Most predator enclosures have a concrete moat around them, furthering impact damage.

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[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:
I’ve killed plenty of raccoons with a bat/stomping them, why is that a big deal to people? Never me vs 12 of them though.[/quote]

When I run into them it’s usually in a tree where I’m working and they’re defending their cubs/den. This sucks for me, I was exaggerating a little with the spawn of Satan stuff.

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[quote]Testy1 wrote:
I understand there are some variables such as netting, but fourteen feet is a hell of a fall.[/quote]

Wouldn’t having a net part of the way down make it easier? I dunno, the fall is the boring part anyway!

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[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:
I understand there are some variables such as netting, but fourteen feet is a hell of a fall.[/quote]

Wouldn’t having a net part of the way down make it easier? I dunno, the fall is the boring part anyway![/quote]

That is what I was getting at, the netting would slow your fall. And yes, all the excitement is in the landing.

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If it were my kid, I’d be over the wall in half a heartbeat.

But he wouldn’t have been on the wall to begin with so…

If it were a strange kid, I’d do my best to flag down park employees asap.

My only hope in jumping in for my kid would be that, assuming he survived the fall, I could at least get over him and provide cover long enough for zoo keepers to get in there.

This isn’t a pack of stray Labradors or even German Shephards looking for love and food we are talking about.

These dogs are more closely related to wolves and other predatory K-9s. As soon as they grab hold of you, you’re either losing a significant chunk of flesh or your arm/leg is going to be crushed, followed by going in to shock and laying there, dazed, while the whole pack of them mauls you.

It would take a matter of seconds and would be suicide to jump in.

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[quote]DropKickNoxious wrote:
These dogs are more closely related to wolves and other predatory K-9s. As soon as they grab hold of you, you’re either losing a significant chunk of flesh or your arm/leg is going to be crushed, followed by going in to shock and laying there, dazed, while the whole pack of them mauls you.

It would take a matter of seconds and would be suicide to jump in. [/quote]

I don’t know how weak your bones are, but that’s not enough force for my arm or leg to be “crushed”. Not even close. It wouldn’t be over in seconds by any stretch of the imagination.

Also technically speaking, they’re not as closely related to wolves as dogs (which are actually still the same species!). In fact they aren’t classified as canines at all :stuck_out_tongue:

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[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]DropKickNoxious wrote:
These dogs are more closely related to wolves and other predatory K-9s. As soon as they grab hold of you, you’re either losing a significant chunk of flesh or your arm/leg is going to be crushed, followed by going in to shock and laying there, dazed, while the whole pack of them mauls you.

It would take a matter of seconds and would be suicide to jump in. [/quote]

I don’t know how weak your bones are, but that’s not enough force for my arm or leg to be “crushed”. Not even close. It wouldn’t be over in seconds by any stretch of the imagination.

Also technically speaking, they’re not as closely related to wolves as dogs (which are actually still the same species!). In fact they aren’t classified as canines at all :P[/quote]
You’re an idiot.

Go find a pitbull today, better yet a group of them, and kick one in the face.

They’ll only bring the weak sauce, don’t worry.

“The bite force quotient of African wild dogs is the highest of any predator in the order Carnivora â?? which includes lions, tigers and bears. This intense force, along with the wild dogsâ?? large premolars, helps them gain nutrients from crushing bone.”

http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/news-untamed-wolf-south

“The African wild dog hunts in packs and small groups. Like most members of the dog family, it is a cursorial hunter, meaning that it pursues its prey in a long, open chase. Nearly 80% of all wild dog hunts end in a kill; for comparison, the success rate of lions, often viewed as ultimate predators, is only 30%. Wild dogs frequently kill larger prey via disemboweling, a technique that is rapid but has caused this species to have a negative, ferocious reputation”

If you don’t believe dogs of a certain species, especially wild dogs, can crush bone on an adult male, you don’t know dogs and that’s all there is to it.