Child Falls Into Dog Pen at Zoo

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[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]krazykoukides wrote:
Nah HE can’t. Mariusz can and a handful of other demigods can[/quote]

Yes I fucking personally could. 12000lbs? You have no idea how easy it is to pull something that’s on wheels. That plane they pull at WSM was something like 140,000lbs or 190,000lbs I don’t even know. Even amateur strongmen do truck pulls with vehicles at 30000lbs or more. I’m sure this sounds crazy to you, but pulling 12000lbs on wheels with the right harness and traction would actually probably feel like a joke.

Honestly, wheels are incredible things. So yes, I stand by my statement that dogs are weak. 12000lb truck pull for a tiny distance is laughable compared to the feats of men!

You don’t have to be a Big Z or Poundstone demigod to do it. That’s why those guys can do over 100k pounds with it. A strong guy like me could certainly do a measly 12,000 a lot better than that damn dog.[/quote]

I’d love to get a video clip of me and 2 other guys dragging 300 ton barges around our docks. Looks crazy as hell, but its really just an application of force in a virtually zero friction environment.

Anyhoo, I’d kill those dogs so bad their cousins would die. This is our food chain. We just let them share it at our convenience. As soon as it is no longer convenient, you can be damn sure the natives of that territory would wipe them off the map.

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So no one would mace these things and be done with them?

For real?

I mean unless yall know something i dont about the eyes of these creatures…

Eyes are everyones weakpoint…burning chemicals are no joke…especially at a high potency

Let them inhale some too

I say you can go in the cage and come out unharmed other than from the fall if you dont know how to fall properly…

But naw…fighting them is the right way to go lololol

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[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
So no one would mace these things and be done with them?

For real?

I mean unless yall know something i dont about the eyes of these creatures…

Eyes are everyones weakpoint…burning chemicals are no joke…especially at a high potency

Let them inhale some too

I say you can go in the cage and come out unharmed other than from the fall if you dont know how to fall properly…

But naw…fighting them is the right way to go lololol

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Don’t carry mace to the zoo…

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Haven’t read through the whole thread but I think most of you are overestimating how ferocious these things would be.

They are in captivity, have been so for quite some time, are use to human presence, and are well fed. Like another poster said - primarily they are SURVIVAL machines.

One thing I was surprised by watching Planet Earth and the like was how calculating predators are in not taking unnecessary risk. Wolves will run bison down and surround them for up to a day until they are so tired from fatigued that they collapse. The wolves literally just stand there and watch them and wear them out. They also generally go after the young, weak, and sick. You see this type of behavior in lots of predators. No doubt wild dogs in any condition are dangerous, I just don’t think they would automatically go at it like so many are assuming. It would also largely depend on the behavior of the person in the enclosure.

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[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
So no one would mace these things and be done with them?

For real?

I mean unless yall know something i dont about the eyes of these creatures…

Eyes are everyones weakpoint…burning chemicals are no joke…especially at a high potency

Let them inhale some too

I say you can go in the cage and come out unharmed other than from the fall if you dont know how to fall properly…

But naw…fighting them is the right way to go lololol

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Don’t carry mace to the zoo…[/quote]

Youre batman. I KNOW you got some kind of gas on you.

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Funny looking can. Must be one of those new fangled safety dispenser type things.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
My can of Mace.[/quote]
Can I play with it and take it to class?

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Those dogs would back right off from a grown man yelling and waving his arms. It doesn’t matter how strong they are, how powerful their bite strength is, what kind of natural born killers they are. None of that would come into play. As others said, predators are also cautious. Those dogs would back off, assess the situation and by the time they decided to get serious help would be there.

If it’s my kid I’m in there in a heartbeat. If its someone else’s kid I have a lot to assess. First how likely do I think I can land without breaking anything. If you break your leg going in your fucked. Second, I have to assess the dogs. I can sit hear and think about it and determine I can scare off the dogs but in real life would I come to that conclusion quickly enough? If those dogs get to the child before you react, it’s too late to go in because mob mentality would take over.

Not very close, but the closest situation I’ve ever been in to this was in La Jolla California about 20 years ago. A kid mistimed his effort to climb out of the surf onto a rocky face and got clobbered by a huge wave. He was in the water and clearly dazed.

Six months previously I had my throat gauged by a student nurse who got to practice tracheal intubation on me while I was unconscious on the table. I had a chronic cough due to that and was in really bad shape not being able to do any physical activity.

There I was on the cliff 15 feet over the water about to jump in and not feeling confident at all. Thankfully the kid cleared his head and was able to make his way out of the water.

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Who wouldn’t go in after their child. You’d likely die but thats the breaks.

The one bystander said the kid was already dead in the amount of time it took for her to get her cell phone out and dial the police. So whatever you would do would have to be amazingly fast.

Assuming you are going to die it would still be difficult to protect your child because the dogs would likely harry you away from your protection attempts and try to kill the weak link first.

Sadly I’d look at the mom pretty hard on this. Accidents happen. And those of us with kids have likely all had lapses, but this is not only dangling your kid over a large drop its dangling him over a fucking predator, dropping him then not going in after.

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I have to agree with SteelNation that if my own child fell in that regardless of any or all consequences I would have to go in there after them or I would not be able to look at myself in the mirror for the remainder of my life. This includes even if my child died from the fall. I could not stand by and watch them be torn apart and do nothing. I may die trying but I would certainly be dead if I did not.

If it was someone else’s child the decision might be more difficult and dependent although I’d still like to think if there was a chance at saving them I would be in right after them.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
My kids, no matter what their age, get my protection at all costs til my dying day…even if it kills me.

If there’s nothing in this life worth dying for you really have nothing to live for.

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I don’t typically agree with Push on many things but I feel that this statement bears repeating for emphasis. Hell it might even do some good for all parents to remind themselves of this each day.

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Also, you people worried about the fall, 14ft isn’t much of a drop. Start by dropping your body down while hanging onto the ledge with your hands. Voila, the fall’s only 8ft now. That shouldn’t be an issue.

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[quote]csulli wrote:
I get where you all are coming from, but honestly, I think you guys underestimate human beings in “kill mode”. Nobody here is trying to equate wild African dogs to house pets (dunno why everyone is bringing that up). But nevertheless, a 50 or 60 pound creature can only be so powerful.[/quote]

You wouldn’t have a chance. While you were busy trying to hit one, 5 more would be taking chunks of your flesh out of the back of your legs. They aren’t 50 or 60 pound humans, they are dogs with very powerful bites.

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[quote]BeefEater wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
My kids, no matter what their age, get my protection at all costs til my dying day…even if it kills me.

If there’s nothing in this life worth dying for you really have nothing to live for.

[/quote]

I don’t typically agree with Push on many things but I feel that this statement bears repeating for emphasis. Hell it might even do some good for all parents to remind themselves of this each day.[/quote]

I agree.

If more parents had this attitude about their kids, there wouldn’t be so many lost causes on the streets.

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[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:
You guys are nuts. Someday I’ll just have to go to the zoo with Bravehart warpaint and a KA-BAR and I’ll show all y’all. People are stronger than you think. Animals aren’t magically stronger pound for pound.[/quote]

Magically?

No.

Denser muscle fibers and different tendon insertion points are not magic.

Just very effective. [/quote]

People take this too far though and apply it to too many animals. In terms of just strength, nothing to do with fighting, people greatly exaggerate the ability of animals versus humans. Great apes are extremely strong pound for pound (and just in general), but that doesnt mean all animals are. Dogs have two great strengths, endurance and bite force. They arent strong though. To some average modern day weakling I’m sure they are, but not to a strong person they’re not.[/quote]

I think you’re missing the point here. 1 human vs 1 wild dog = advantage human. 1 human vs 4 wild dogs = advantage dogs.

They also don’t sit in front on their computer and drink coffee and eat donuts. They spend all day every day either killing, sleeping, or escaping death. They are predators.

You also keep talking about their size. Size is not always an indication of strenght.

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[quote]csulli wrote:
Also, you people worried about the fall, 14ft isn’t much of a drop. Start by dropping your body down while hanging onto the ledge with your hands. Voila, the fall’s only 8ft now. That shouldn’t be an issue.[/quote]

I doubt its as simple as you describe. There’s the netting that you would probably have to jump over so you wouldn’t be able to lower yourself down. The area below will likely be sloped down increasing your risk of injury. It might also be concrete. Fourteen feet is pretty darn high.

As an elastic 20 year old with a dare-devil mentality I wouldn’t just go and jump from 14 feet onto the ground. Maybe sand. I was a pole vaulter and I didn’t relish stalling out. Stalling out is when you don’t make it into the pit and you have to ride the pole back down. My grip was at 15 feet and I would be hanging from it so I wasn’t coming down from anywhere near that high. I never got hurt but believe me, as you are coming down from that situation you are on high alert for your safety.

As a fit 47 year old I’m confident if I warmed up and got ready I could jump from 14 feet onto level grass without getting hurt. If I am wondering around a zoo all day and suddenly having to jump from 14 feet onto a hard or uneven surface then I am not confident at all. I’m more sure I could intimidate those dogs away from a child than I could manage the entry into the habitat.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:
You guys are nuts. Someday I’ll just have to go to the zoo with Bravehart warpaint and a KA-BAR and I’ll show all y’all. People are stronger than you think. Animals aren’t magically stronger pound for pound.[/quote]

Magically?

No.

Denser muscle fibers and different tendon insertion points are not magic.

Just very effective. [/quote]

People take this too far though and apply it to too many animals. In terms of just strength, nothing to do with fighting, people greatly exaggerate the ability of animals versus humans. Great apes are extremely strong pound for pound (and just in general), but that doesnt mean all animals are. Dogs have two great strengths, endurance and bite force. They arent strong though. To some average modern day weakling I’m sure they are, but not to a strong person they’re not.[/quote]

I think you’re missing the point here. 1 human vs 1 wild dog = advantage human. 1 human vs 4 wild dogs = advantage dogs.

They also don’t sit in front on their computer and drink coffee and eat donuts. They spend all day every day either killing, sleeping, or escaping death. They are predators.

You also keep talking about their size. Size is not always an indication of strenght. [/quote]

I think your missing the point. Wild dogs don’t attack large prey without assessing the situation first. They also don’t go all in when they do decide they have the upperhand. They wear their prey down as we saw in some of those videos posted. Further, these dogs are not exactly wild.

They are around humans and see them not as prey but as providers. That child going into the pen was perceived by the dogs not as a human but as a snack somebody tossed to them. If a human male got there first, the dogs would back off.

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[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:
You guys are nuts. Someday I’ll just have to go to the zoo with Bravehart warpaint and a KA-BAR and I’ll show all y’all. People are stronger than you think. Animals aren’t magically stronger pound for pound.[/quote]

Magically?

No.

Denser muscle fibers and different tendon insertion points are not magic.

Just very effective. [/quote]

People take this too far though and apply it to too many animals. In terms of just strength, nothing to do with fighting, people greatly exaggerate the ability of animals versus humans. Great apes are extremely strong pound for pound (and just in general), but that doesnt mean all animals are. Dogs have two great strengths, endurance and bite force. They arent strong though. To some average modern day weakling I’m sure they are, but not to a strong person they’re not.[/quote]

I think you’re missing the point here. 1 human vs 1 wild dog = advantage human. 1 human vs 4 wild dogs = advantage dogs.

They also don’t sit in front on their computer and drink coffee and eat donuts. They spend all day every day either killing, sleeping, or escaping death. They are predators.

You also keep talking about their size. Size is not always an indication of strenght. [/quote]

I think your missing the point. Wild dogs don’t attack large prey without assessing the situation first. They also don’t go all in when they do decide they have the upperhand. They wear their prey down as we saw in some of those videos posted. Further, these dogs are not exactly wild. They are around humans and see them not as prey but as providers. That child going into the pen was perceived by the dogs not as a human but as a snack somebody tossed to them. If a human male got there first, the dogs would back off.
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Wild dogs do take down large prey. These animals are much closer to wild than domestic. We also don’t know when or if these animals were brought/breed in capitivity.

I’m arguing from the stance that the animals are going to attack. They might not, I’m not an expert. It’s a what id stance.

I’m basing most of my opinion off a NatGeo special I saw a while back. All I’m saying is that if a pack of 10 wild dogs wants too, they will kill and consumer a full grown adult man, without question. We are not the top of the food chain in every situation.

I get it, it’s easy to feel that tingly feeling in your pants and say you’d jump in. I beleive I would as well. I’m just trying to be realistic. These animals are tough. They might have the word “dog” in their name, but they are more like a pack of Wolves than domestic dogs.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I think you’re missing the point here. 1 human vs 1 wild dog = advantage human. 1 human vs 4 wild dogs = advantage dogs.

They also don’t sit in front on their computer and drink coffee and eat donuts. They spend all day every day either killing, sleeping, or escaping death. They are predators.

You also keep talking about their size. Size is not always an indication of strenght. [/quote]

Bah. Those zoo dogs spend their entire day eating and yawning. They have the instincts of predators though still. I honestly believe that size actually is a pretty good indication of strength. Generally, if an animal is larger, it is stronger. They are just little guys with relatively strong bites. I mean I agree that the advantage is with the dogs, and that if they had a mind to, they could all rush in and tear you to pieces (still think you could kill some in the process tho). But what I said is that you could fight them off, and I firmly believe that.

If you look at footage of the ones actually in the wild taking on a hyena or a warthog (both smaller than me even), they are like ridiculously cautious. They don’t rush in and tear them apart like land piranhas.