You guys are nuts. Someday I’ll just have to go to the zoo with Bravehart warpaint and a KA-BAR and I’ll show all y’all. People are stronger than you think. Animals aren’t magically stronger pound for pound.
[quote]furo wrote:
On a separate point I’m not sure why so many people seem to think that these dogs are more aggressive than certain domestic dogs. Dogs such as rottweilers and pitbulls etc have had aggression bred into them whereas wild dogs will have evolved to survive, not fight to the death. No expert though.[/quote]
It is not so much that they are aggressive, it is more that they need to take their prey down decisively, nobody wants to get kicked by a buffalo.
Also, and this is highly underappreciated, they work as a group.
And not the Bruce Lee/Chuck Norris way either, they do not take turns.
[quote]csulli wrote:
You guys are nuts. Someday I’ll just have to go to the zoo with Bravehart warpaint and a KA-BAR and I’ll show all y’all. People are stronger than you think. Animals aren’t magically stronger pound for pound.[/quote]
Magically?
No.
Denser muscle fibers and different tendon insertion points are not magic.
Just very effective.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
You guys are nuts. Someday I’ll just have to go to the zoo with Bravehart warpaint and a KA-BAR and I’ll show all y’all. People are stronger than you think. Animals aren’t magically stronger pound for pound.[/quote]
Magically?
No.
Denser muscle fibers and different tendon insertion points are not magic.
Just very effective. [/quote]
People take this too far though and apply it to too many animals. In terms of just strength, nothing to do with fighting, people greatly exaggerate the ability of animals versus humans. Great apes are extremely strong pound for pound (and just in general), but that doesnt mean all animals are. Dogs have two great strengths, endurance and bite force. They arent strong though. To some average modern day weakling I’m sure they are, but not to a strong person they’re not.
I know what Ripley would do.
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[quote]Skinystudent wrote:
its awful but the zoo is entirely not at fault, there were proper saftey rails up and the mother chose to lift her child over the rails. presumably she lost her grip on him or something but in the end its her fault for being stupid.
and in that situation there was nothing that could be done, those animals are extremely dangerous.
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i work with these animals. a fit adult human would be dead in minutes. they have a powerful bite and while you might fend of a couple as soon as they start biting you they’ll cut a tendon or an artery and drag you down and start ripping bits off you witha death shake. these things take down gazelle and even occasionally Zebra.
Agreed.[/quote]
x3 That parent being as stupid as they are would have fucked that kid up at some point anways, it’s shame one of the most endangered animals on earth had to die for the parents idiotic decision.
If it was my kid, i might have jumped in; if nothing else but to buy some time for the proper help to arrive and maybe save my kid. If you could get ahold of a stick or something and start yelling and acting crazy they might have backed away. They’re not lions…[/quote]
No, they’re not lions, but wild dogs are notorious for being the most feared animals on the African plains. Something about their relentless pack hunting methods.
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If this were in Africa in the middle of nowhere; then i wouldnt even think about it. But in a Zoo, i think any fit adult male would be able to fend them off long enough to get your kid out of there. They might bite you up, but if you can save your kid it’s worth it. They dont attach all at once, and if you beat back a couple they pack might not be as aggressive. Like i said, theyre not a pride of lions attaching you.
All of that said, if it wasnt my kid, or someone i knew very well; i would think about getting in there. [/quote]
11 to 1 with just bare hands, fuck that.
Damn shame some of the dogs are dead.
This did spring to mind…
its based on a true story you know
[quote]furo wrote:
On a separate point I’m not sure why so many people seem to think that these dogs are more aggressive than certain domestic dogs. Dogs such as rottweilers and pitbulls etc have had aggression bred into them whereas wild dogs will have evolved to survive, not fight to the death. No expert though.[/quote]
I bred pitbulls, and still own 3. As fast, strong, powerful, agile and aggressive as they can be, I’m not putting them up against one of these things. Pits are people pleasers, those wild dogs are people eaters. Big difference.
I do not think anyone brought up that the kid first fell onto the mesh shelf, so I believe when he hit the ground he was still injured and unconscious, but not out of hope.
So, what I would do…
I like to believe that I would jump in and try to do something even though I know it would be dumb.
If I did jump in I would made myself look as large as possible and made low sounds if they noticed me.
I would toss the kid up onto the mesh shelf then if it was low enough I would climb onto it.
If I could not climb onto it I would continue to make myself large and make low noises while keeping eye contact with the biggest that came towards me.
I would circle to the exit and use kicks to keep them at a distance.
This is all best case scenario and I would more than likely die, but that is just what superheros and movies have led me to hope I could do. D:
"The first point I’d like to make is that wild dogs are not dangerous to people in the wild. I have never heard of an attack on people, and where I work in Kenya, people?including small children herding goats or walking to school?encounter wild dogs on foot regularly, yet local people are not afraid of them.
I have personally walked up to wild dogs many times and never once felt threatened."
“In the wild, we have never been threatened by wild dogs, and we’ve spent countless hours in the African bush.”
These quotes are from African hunting dog experts.
[quote]furo wrote:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/11/121105-african-wild-dogs-pittsburgh-zoo-animals-science/
"The first point I’d like to make is that wild dogs are not dangerous to people in the wild. I have never heard of an attack on people, and where I work in Kenya, people?including small children herding goats or walking to school?encounter wild dogs on foot regularly, yet local people are not afraid of them.
I have personally walked up to wild dogs many times and never once felt threatened."
“In the wild, we have never been threatened by wild dogs, and we’ve spent countless hours in the African bush.”
These quotes are from African hunting dog experts.[/quote]
Interesting turn of events now!
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
[quote]furo wrote:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/11/121105-african-wild-dogs-pittsburgh-zoo-animals-science/
"The first point I’d like to make is that wild dogs are not dangerous to people in the wild. I have never heard of an attack on people, and where I work in Kenya, people?including small children herding goats or walking to school?encounter wild dogs on foot regularly, yet local people are not afraid of them.
I have personally walked up to wild dogs many times and never once felt threatened."
“In the wild, we have never been threatened by wild dogs, and we’ve spent countless hours in the African bush.”
These quotes are from African hunting dog experts.[/quote]
Interesting turn of events now!
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Yeah, that toddler had nothing to worry about…
As best I can figure it, they don’t propose a threat in the wild 'cause they all “share” the same space. However, that cage is “theirs”, and you going in would be seen as an invasion.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
[quote]furo wrote:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/11/121105-african-wild-dogs-pittsburgh-zoo-animals-science/
"The first point I’d like to make is that wild dogs are not dangerous to people in the wild. I have never heard of an attack on people, and where I work in Kenya, people?including small children herding goats or walking to school?encounter wild dogs on foot regularly, yet local people are not afraid of them.
I have personally walked up to wild dogs many times and never once felt threatened."
“In the wild, we have never been threatened by wild dogs, and we’ve spent countless hours in the African bush.”
These quotes are from African hunting dog experts.[/quote]
Interesting turn of events now!
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Yeah, that toddler had nothing to worry about…
As best I can figure it, they don’t propose a threat in the wild 'cause they all “share” the same space. However, that cage is “theirs”, and you going in would be seen as an invasion.
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Exactly.
There is no reasoning in a wild animal’s mind. And for anyone here to assume the behaviors of said predators could be predetermined based on strategies we’d use in confronting these creatures is absurd.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
[quote]furo wrote:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/11/121105-african-wild-dogs-pittsburgh-zoo-animals-science/
"The first point I’d like to make is that wild dogs are not dangerous to people in the wild. I have never heard of an attack on people, and where I work in Kenya, people?including small children herding goats or walking to school?encounter wild dogs on foot regularly, yet local people are not afraid of them.
I have personally walked up to wild dogs many times and never once felt threatened."
“In the wild, we have never been threatened by wild dogs, and we’ve spent countless hours in the African bush.”
These quotes are from African hunting dog experts.[/quote]
Interesting turn of events now!
[/quote]
Yeah, that toddler had nothing to worry about…
As best I can figure it, they don’t propose a threat in the wild 'cause they all “share” the same space. However, that cage is “theirs”, and you going in would be seen as an invasion.
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Or the kid smelled like bacon
[quote]csulli wrote:
People take this too far though and apply it to too many animals. In terms of just strength, nothing to do with fighting, people greatly exaggerate the ability of animals versus humans. Great apes are extremely strong pound for pound (and just in general), but that doesnt mean all animals are. Dogs have two great strengths, endurance and bite force. They arent strong though. To some average modern day weakling I’m sure they are, but not to a strong person they’re not.[/quote]
Dogs aren’t strong, eh? Could you do that?
Ah man. I don’t even wanna start.