Chicago Violence and 'Gun Control'

[quote]AlisaV wrote:
Okay, clarification:
“my only form of self defense is my zip code” means that, at least at the moment, I live in a safe area. I don’t have to worry about getting killed because I’m lucky enough that nobody gets killed here. It’s not a great state of affairs because not everybody is so fortunate.

If you live in a less safe area (which I have) then your self defense is common sense – not going out alone after dark, etc. Even then, things happen.

I don’t think I’m encouraging surrender to evil, but correct me if I’m wrong.[/quote]

That’s a false sense of security in my view. You may be statistically less likely to be assaulted where you live than you are in Brightmoor, but that very mindset makes you more vulnerable if the situation does arise, even if you’re somewhere else when it does. Like Jeff Cooper is saying.

However, why does that have to be your ONLY defense. Want some links to stories about now deceased people who lived in “safe” areas?

You made it sound like you were powerless to defend yourself and only the fact that your present place of residence is a statistically low crime area gave you a sense of security.

There was some TV documentary a few years back where they were interviewing convicts and asked them what they saw as effective deterrents to them returning to their crimes if they were released. One guy told the story of how he broke into a house to rob it, I don’t remember where, and the young woman who lived there happened to be in the hall when he got in and saw him. It was at night. She ran down the hall into her infant son’s room. Her husband was at work and they kept 2 handguns and a shotgun in the house. One of the handguns, some kind of medium automatic was kept in a drawer in the baby’s room.

He turned the knob and started the door open at which time she, sitting on the floor, scared shitless with her back against the dresser, put several rounds through the door. He was hit and seriously injured, but obviously lived. She called the police who called an ambulance, blah blah blah, the guy was a repeat offender and is now in prison with his scars.

He said that he would gladly face any rival gang member he had ever known before having to draw down with another trembling handed mother protecting her children ever again. He said whatever he did if paroled, robbing houses would not be one of them.

I keep a Winchester 1300 Defender (police shotgun, 18 in. unchoked cylinder bore, 8 n 1) 5 rounds 00 magnum buckshot in the magazine, snap cap in the chamber, dry fired, safety off. It’s perfectly safe like that, but is almost instantly ready with a simple cycling of the slide action. Twice a year we go out and I make sure my wife will be ready to use it if need be. Nothing’s foolproof, but that is a VERY effective man stopper in any close quarters situation.

The trouble with a mindset like yours is that it may be too late (God forbid) by the time you see the need for effective personal protection.

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I keep a Winchester 1300 Defender …

Twice a year we go out and I make sure my wife will be ready to use it if need be. Nothing’s foolproof, but that is a VERY effective man stopper in any close quarters situation.

The trouble with a mindset like yours is that it may be too late (God forbid) by the time you see the need for effective personal protection.
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Chalk this up to ‘education’ and ‘common sense’.

I see this as ‘basic’ home safety as important as knowing where fire exits are, keeping a fire extinguisher and fresh batteries in the smoke alarms (or hardwired), speed dial to emergency services, and keeping (minimum) of a few days of non-perishable food in the house in case of emergency (NOTE: You’ll need much more food and ammo in case of a zombie siege).

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
<<< (NOTE: You’ll need much more food and ammo in case of a zombie siege).[/quote]

Interesting you bring this up because we had one last week downtown at Cobo Hall.

What’s really ironic is that back in the early days of this nation the need for personal/home protection was practically nonexistent compared to today, but a home without a firearm was the distinct exception. They considered private arms to be a simply assumed state of affairs.

Now we endlessly debate it as if it’s some tacked on peripheral consideration that may have outlived it’s usefulness (No Alisa, I don’t think that’s what you’re saying)

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
SteelyD wrote:
<<< (NOTE: You’ll need much more food and ammo in case of a zombie siege).

Interesting you bring this up because we had one last week downtown at Cobo Hall.

What’s really ironic is that back in the early days of this nation the need for personal/home protection was practically nonexistent compared to today, but a home without a firearm was the distinct exception. They considered private arms to be a simply assumed state of affairs.

Now we endlessly debate it as if it’s some tacked on peripheral consideration that may have outlived it’s usefulness (No Alisa, I don’t think that’s what you’re saying)[/quote]

What I want to know is when we can all get rayguns like in SF movies.

I’d be happy with one of these for my bicycle

[quote]AlisaV wrote:
I hadn’t heard about that. That’s probably good to keep in mind.[/quote]

It’s something that needs to be integrated in behavior. Watch people walk around corners in hallways. how many times do you see some lazy dumbass take that turn short. You know what I mean, kind of like driving in the left lane.

You’re walking blind that way. you are an easier target, possibly rude, by walking into someone and of course, not being careful. Just one example.

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
SteelyD wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
More recently though there has been an influx of gun culture into London gangs therefore the incidence of gun use has increased.

What does this mean? What exactly is ‘gun culture’? Are you implying that “London gangs” are the template for law abiding citizens (excuse me, subjects) of England?

No, what I am saying is that carrying a gun has become increasingly a sign of status for a London gang member therefore more gang members are carrying guns. This has led to an increase in shootings, the increase in shootings then leads to gang members feeling they need a gun to protect themselves. This is a vicious circle which is fueled by the availability of cheap Eastern European firearms.[/quote]

Cheap is a buzzword for the anti gunners. i have very few cheap guns. I guess some might qualify, but that was they said years ago when certain bans were attempted.

One of mine is specifically designed to wear on an ankle or in a pocket. It was app 285$ in the store. I own my own chiropractic office and I don’t want to appear to be Dirt Harry in there. But it doesn’t mean I’m not armed.
My other guns are in the 400$ to 2000$ range. but if I had the time I could look up some anti gun rhetoric on each make and model. The Glock for instance, probably the most widely used police and civilian model in the country started with incredible controversy due to anti gun rhetoric which were blatant falsehoods.

[quote]tom63 wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
SteelyD wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
More recently though there has been an influx of gun culture into London gangs therefore the incidence of gun use has increased.

What does this mean? What exactly is ‘gun culture’? Are you implying that “London gangs” are the template for law abiding citizens (excuse me, subjects) of England?

No, what I am saying is that carrying a gun has become increasingly a sign of status for a London gang member therefore more gang members are carrying guns. This has led to an increase in shootings, the increase in shootings then leads to gang members feeling they need a gun to protect themselves. This is a vicious circle which is fueled by the availability of cheap Eastern European firearms.

Cheap is a buzzword for the anti gunners. i have very few cheap guns. I guess some might qualify, but that was they said years ago when certain bans were attempted.

One of mine is specifically designed to wear on an ankle or in a pocket. It was app 285$ in the store. I own my own chiropractic office and I don’t want to appear to be Dirt Harry in there. But it doesn’t mean I’m not armed.
My other guns are in the 400$ to 2000$ range. but if I had the time I could look up some anti gun rhetoric on each make and model. The Glock for instance, probably the most widely used police and civilian model in the country started with incredible controversy due to anti gun rhetoric which were blatant falsehoods.[/quote]

The average price of an illegal handgun in London is about 150 sterling. They can be got for a lot cheaper.

Just to be clear I am talking about illegal guns, not legal ones.

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
AlisaV wrote:
Okay, clarification:
“my only form of self defense is my zip code” means that, at least at the moment, I live in a safe area. I don’t have to worry about getting killed because I’m lucky enough that nobody gets killed here. It’s not a great state of affairs because not everybody is so fortunate.

If you live in a less safe area (which I have) then your self defense is common sense – not going out alone after dark, etc. Even then, things happen.

I don’t think I’m encouraging surrender to evil, but correct me if I’m wrong.

That’s a false sense of security in my view. You may be statistically less likely to be assaulted where you live than you are in Brightmoor,

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I live in Brightmoor, been here all my life.

Chicago is the end result of liberal policies.

Speaking of Gun Control my dad and I went to the range yesterday. The only Gun Control we used was pointing at what we wanted to shoot. It was great nobody was injured or killed and we had a lot of fun.

DON’T BELIEVE THE PRO-GUN PEOPLE BECAUSE THIS LEVEL OF SKILL IS A QUADRUPLE HONORARY DOCTORATE IN ROCKET SCIENCE MAKE SURE TO BAN ALL GUNS BECAUSE THEY ARE INHERENTLY EVIL INANIMATE OBJECTS!!!

[quote]clip11 wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
AlisaV wrote:
Okay, clarification:
“my only form of self defense is my zip code” means that, at least at the moment, I live in a safe area. I don’t have to worry about getting killed because I’m lucky enough that nobody gets killed here. It’s not a great state of affairs because not everybody is so fortunate.

If you live in a less safe area (which I have) then your self defense is common sense – not going out alone after dark, etc. Even then, things happen.

I don’t think I’m encouraging surrender to evil, but correct me if I’m wrong.

That’s a false sense of security in my view. You may be statistically less likely to be assaulted where you live than you are in Brightmoor,

I live in Brightmoor, been here all my life.
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I lived in Brightmoor for a year. There were 4 murders within earshot and 1 50 feet outside my back door on the street behind me. Several Arsons including one across the street 2 doors down, numerous assaults, and once we had to call the police because the guy across the street was beating a screaming 10 year old kid silly while stuffing him into the trunk of a car.

Another time in the middle of the night I put 3 rounds into the trees running next to the river (Virgil and five mile/Fenkell area) to stop a guy who was pounding his girlfriend to within an inch of her life. He ran away and she crawled, literally, over to me and I took her in our house where my wife tried to stop her from bleeding all over the rug with her broken teeth sticking through her lips. We had to call the police that time too because gunshots don’t get anybody’s attention there. SHE tried to run when they got there, but passed out a few doors down on the sidewalk. They took her away in an ambulance and I found out later she refused to press charges and went back to the guy. The cops took my statement which didn’t include my gun and nothing came of that. Oh yeah I forgot the guy who rolled his car over into my next door neighbor’s corner backyard running from the cops. What an adventure that year was.

Still live about 2 blocks away in Redford between 6 and 7 where the Detroit city line is west of Telegraph.

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
SteelyD wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
More recently though there has been an influx of gun culture into London gangs therefore the incidence of gun use has increased.

What does this mean? What exactly is ‘gun culture’? Are you implying that “London gangs” are the template for law abiding citizens (excuse me, subjects) of England?

No, what I am saying is that carrying a gun has become increasingly a sign of status for a London gang member therefore more gang members are carrying guns. This has led to an increase in shootings, the increase in shootings then leads to gang members feeling they need a gun to protect themselves. This is a vicious circle which is fueled by the availability of cheap Eastern European firearms.

Cheap is a buzzword for the anti gunners. i have very few cheap guns. I guess some might qualify, but that was they said years ago when certain bans were attempted.

One of mine is specifically designed to wear on an ankle or in a pocket. It was app 285$ in the store. I own my own chiropractic office and I don’t want to appear to be Dirt Harry in there. But it doesn’t mean I’m not armed.
My other guns are in the 400$ to 2000$ range. but if I had the time I could look up some anti gun rhetoric on each make and model. The Glock for instance, probably the most widely used police and civilian model in the country started with incredible controversy due to anti gun rhetoric which were blatant falsehoods.

The average price of an illegal handgun in London is about 150 sterling. They can be got for a lot cheaper.

Just to be clear I am talking about illegal guns, not legal ones.[/quote]

I understand, I would never personally those type of guns. They are just not up to my uppity standards. but in this country, those guns are often used by lower economic classes for self protection. I do mean law abiding citizens of course.

I’m not sure of street prices, but decent guns fetch a high dollar normally.

[quote]Valor wrote:
Chicago is the end result of liberal policies.[/quote]

As is Detroit

google ‘Kennesaw GA gun laws’ for an indication of how gun ownership affects crime statistics.

The way the liberal smake it sound, there was a fully automatic AK in every house prior to the CLinton ban, damn evil guns…

“It is a Chicago public school full of energy and spirit. It has about 800 girls, and 115 of them have something in common–something you might find disturbing. All those young ladies are moms or moms-to-be at Paul Robeson High School. It’s not a school for young mothers, it’s a neighborhood school. And all of the pregnancies have happened, despite prevention talk.”

How many of those daddies are going to be a meaningful part of these children of children’s lives? Hm? How many will escape poverty? How many of them will grow in a lifestyle dependent on the government? How many of their children will be caught up in criminal activity? Violent criminal activity? The gun talk needs to stop. We’re not going to give up our rights, becuase some portion of society decided to jettison prudence and self-governance. The 2nd isn’t up for re-consideration. But, maybe our culture should be.

People who favor a large controlling government (Obama) always push for gun control. A strong government is one whose people have little power. They view guns as the ultimate “power for the people”. After all this is how our country was created…and was the most powerful military in the world.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
“It is a Chicago public school full of energy and spirit. It has about 800 girls, and 115 of them have something in common–something you might find disturbing. All those young ladies are moms or moms-to-be at Paul Robeson High School. It’s not a school for young mothers, it’s a neighborhood school. And all of the pregnancies have happened, despite prevention talk.”

How many of those daddies are going to be a meaningful part of these children of children’s lives? Hm? How many will escape poverty? How many of them will grow in a lifestyle dependent on the government? How many of their children will be caught up in criminal activity? Violent criminal activity? The gun talk needs to stop. We’re not going to give up our rights, becuase some portion of society decided to jettison prudence and self-governance. The 2nd isn’t up for re-consideration. But, maybe our culture should be.

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Excellent. I just now saw this. Again, this country will never ever be stronger than it’s permanent faithful families… Period. We can study until our brains fall out and spend every last penny this nation has left (oh wait, we already don’t have any) and it will be entirely 100 percent meaningless while real families consisting of 1 man and 1 woman for life and their children, continue to die off.

[quote]clip11 wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
AlisaV wrote:
Okay, clarification:
“my only form of self defense is my zip code” means that, at least at the moment, I live in a safe area. I don’t have to worry about getting killed because I’m lucky enough that nobody gets killed here. It’s not a great state of affairs because not everybody is so fortunate.

If you live in a less safe area (which I have) then your self defense is common sense – not going out alone after dark, etc. Even then, things happen.

I don’t think I’m encouraging surrender to evil, but correct me if I’m wrong.

That’s a false sense of security in my view. You may be statistically less likely to be assaulted where you live than you are in Brightmoor,

I live in Brightmoor, been here all my life.
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Hey clip, can you at least change your avatar to a hot black skank, maybe like Jada Fire or something? The current chicks look like men.

V

Two important points:

  1. The police are not there to protect you, their job is to solve crimes after they occur.
  2. The intent of the 2nd amendment is not to ensure we have guns to protect us from crime or for hunting. It is to ensure we can protect ourselves from an over-reaching gov’t. Gun control is intended to remove that possibility.