[quote]magnusvv wrote:
Anthony, why are the prices for AG Guys so much higher than the competition? Why should I choose their products over another?
I’m interested in these products but with so little factual advices given to me here it is nearly impossible to choose. When I purchase a product I want it to be cheap and effective. Are you saying that Chem One products are completely ineffective? Are they 50% less effective than AG Guys products? Any reasoning behind claims of better product quality?
My understanding is this is pretty basic stuff. These companies buy a powder, mix it up, toss it in a bottle, and re-sell it. Wouldn’t all the products be pretty much the same just with different labelled concentrations?
Chemone guys feel free to answer my questions as well. I’m curious to get some objectivity or even just marketing crap into this topic.[/quote]
I think we can point to the recent Clen mixup at the ChemOne company to understand why their products cost less.
When confronted about their clen being substandard, the owner replied that he thinks that it was a bad batch of clen powder.
So what? Who cares?
I’ll tell you what that statement means. First, it tells us that they don’t perform HPLC tests on their products after they make them. If they did, then they would have said so, and given us the test results, and said that the customer’s batch was accurately dosed. Right? I mean…if they perform post-brew testing, then they’d know what the actual dosing was.
Now, by claiming it was “assumed to be” bad powder, they actually also revealed something else to us. Not only do they not perform HPLC tests in post production, but they actually don’t perform any testing on the powders they buy, prior to conversion to liquid form.
If they did such testing, then they’d have known if it was a bad batch of powder, vs/ their conversion methods. Right?
SO essentially, what you are paying for, with regards to higher priced chem companies, is product testing and the accuracy that it insures.
Arimidex is just as effective at .5mgs as a full mg, and Nolvadex is just as effective at 5mgs as at 20, letro is effective at 100mcgs in women, and just over that in men. So if any of their other products are underdosed, it’s unlikely that we would know from user feedback. Clen, however, is a different story- and thats where their underdosing became apparent. I don’t think they are trying to produce underdosed batches, but if one batch of powder was bad, and they neither test prior to -or after- converting it, then how would we ever know?
You’re paying for an accurately dosed, and consistent product when you shell out the extra bucks. ChemOne’s own comments have revealed that they don’t test their batches, and clearly their cost cutting is reflected in things like that- and others.
Lets say that you can buy clen powder for about a buck a gram (you can probably find powder for less, but lets use a buck a gram to make it easy). With that you can make a bottle at ChemOne’s dose and concentration for about $10 or so.
So you can make 10 bottles for a hundred bucks. Now, HPLC testing will cost them $100 for each batch of powder, and double that for testing the finished product. So testing jacks up the price to 3x the amount for each 10 bottle batch. So, as we’ve seen, they don’t do the testing.
And they can’t insure accurately dosed batches for that reason.
Granted, they can test powder for 100 bottle batches, and then reduce the cost of the overall testing per bottle, but as we’ve seen, they do no testing at all. And this cost that they don’t incur helps keep prices low, and batches (apparently) unverified with regards to accurate dosing.
So you are getting what you pay for, IMHO, when you use one of the companies that have been around for years, and do things the proper way.