[quote]rainjack wrote:
Just to clarify - I am not THE owner of ChemOne. There are several of us.
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Why don’t we put everything out in the open, then. Who else is involved?
I OPENLY told everyone which companies I am involved with, from the start. I never hid anything.
So lets hear the same from you.
Or is there something further for you to hide?
I say we just have an Eating Contest… Whoever can eat the most Metabolic Drive bars (without puking) wins…
Who’s with me??!?!
-T-Matt
I have openly and eagerly announced my affiliations with ChemOne as they developed.
What other people want to announce or not regarding their affiliation, is not my call to make, nor is it any of my business.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
It is that appearance of defending your paycheck that hurts your credibility. …your credibility in this matter is suspect. [/quote]
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Just to clarify - I am not THE owner of ChemOne. There are several of us.
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So now that YOU are defending YOUR paycheck, is your credibility suspect?
[quote]rainjack wrote:
I have openly and eagerly announced my affiliations with ChemOne as they developed.
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Actually, no you didn’t. Thats an outright lie.
You hid your involvement, at first.
You were involved with the company as a staff member on boards owned by the company’s owner.
You proceeded to pimp his new company without revealing that you were involved as a staff member on the board which was owned and operated by the that company.
You did this until I told everyone the truth about your involvement, when you then had to admit your involvement.
Here was our exchange:
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Another research chem company will be opening up around April 7th. From what I have heard and seen - these guys will be hard to beat on price.
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Now, I call you on being involved:
[quote]Anthony Roberts wrote:
You’re a moderator (and VIP/Vet) on various steroid discussion boards owned and operated by the owner of that company, as well as being one of his buddies. [/quote]
And ONLY THEN, admit that you are associated with the owner of the company, and that you “failed to mention” that fact:
[quote]rainjack wrote:
If you think I should have issued a disclaimer for my association with Chaos - I will edit the post to reflect that.[/quote]
Now we see more hiding of identities of the company’s owners. I bet that there’s a few admins and board owners in there, who have “suddenly” found it in their best interests to sing the praises of ChemOne- and I bet their mods on those boards are doing likewise.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
What other people want to announce or not regarding their affiliation, is not my call to make, nor is it any of my business. [/quote]
I’d hide my identity too if I were involved with you and your terrible company.
In fact, If I were you, I’d just be hiding in general, because your own words have tripped you up worse than I ever could have.
Disclosed everything from the start?
Don’t make me laugh.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
What other people want to announce or not regarding their affiliation, is not my call to make, nor is it any of my business.
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It has come to my attention that a former staff member of steroid.com was talking about starting a chem company just prior to ChemOne’s arrival on the scene- this member was, by the way, friends with chaos.
Also, it’s become readily apparent that IBE is also involved with possible ownership of ChemOne.
I can’t confirm either of these two statements yet, but given ChemOne’s owners desire to remain unknown, both of those assertions seem likely.
I’m not saying either are fact, and I’ll post more as I find out.
There are reports - unfounded lies, really - being posted elsewhere that I have engaged in marketing via PM.
Seems the accuser has no proof other than to say he knows it is happening, and accusing me of doing it.
I would like anyone that has ever recieved an unsolicited PM from me here at T-Nation regarding ChemOne to please post up.
I would like for the accuser to offer proof beyond saying he has recieved PM’s complaining about this. I know when I recieve unsolicited PM’s pimping one product or another, I report the incident. Since he is on staff here, surely he could prove this instantly. It shouldn’t be too hard - if there is really evidence out there of any substance. There will be no evidence surface becuase you can’t prove an outright lie.
Surely the accuser in this case could line up all of the complaintants to come forward and gladly post here about the PM marketing scheme I have cooked up.
Hell - let the mods chime in with any reports at all of ChemOne, or rainjack ever sending unwarranted PM’s in an effort to drum up business for ChemOne, IBE, Lion, or any other RC company.
This will never be addressed, because it is a complete and utter lie, and the accuser has it set up at the boards these lies are posted at to prevent me, or anyone affiliated with ChemOne, the oppotunity to respond.
Not that it is worth my time to run around the internet defending myself from these childish, unsubstantiated lies - as the accuser has been proven time and again on board after board that he is nothing more than a spolied little boy. I just think I owe it to the folks here at T-Nation to expose my accuser for the lying underhanded piece of shit that he is.
I’ll wait very patiently for anyone - ANYONE AT ALL to respond with any proof whatsoever that I have engaged in marketing via PM.
I’m just curious…
Why does it matter who runs ChemOne?
Good people, low price, and a good product are the things that I’m looking for when buying something.
I wasn’t saying chem one and ibe are the same thing. If that’s how it came it it’s not what I meant. I’m assumning the rest of that wasn’t directed at me right Jack? Cause I could really give a fuck who runs what. If I like the price and it works I buy it. BTW, no parrots here.
who fucking cares!!!
he said, she said…hidden agendas, underlying motives…i’m tired of chickenhawks
[quote]rainjack wrote:
There are reports - unfounded lies, really - being posted elsewhere that I have engaged in marketing via PM.
Seems the accuser has no proof other than to say he knows it is happening, and accusing me of doing it.
I would like anyone that has ever recieved an unsolicited PM from me here at T-Nation regarding ChemOne to please post up.
I would like for the accuser to offer proof beyond saying he has recieved PM’s complaining about this. I know when I recieve unsolicited PM’s pimping one product or another, I report the incident. Since he is on staff here, surely he could prove this instantly. It shouldn’t be too hard - if there is really evidence out there of any substance. There will be no evidence surface becuase you can’t prove an outright lie.
Surely the accuser in this case could line up all of the complaintants to come forward and gladly post here about the PM marketing scheme I have cooked up.
Hell - let the mods chime in with any reports at all of ChemOne, or rainjack ever sending unwarranted PM’s in an effort to drum up business for ChemOne, IBE, Lion, or any other RC company.
This will never be addressed, because it is a complete and utter lie, and the accuser has it set up at the boards these lies are posted at to prevent me, or anyone affiliated with ChemOne, the oppotunity to respond.
Not that it is worth my time to run around the internet defending myself from these childish, unsubstantiated lies - as the accuser has been proven time and again on board after board that he is nothing more than a spolied little boy. I just think I owe it to the folks here at T-Nation to expose my accuser for the lying underhanded piece of shit that he is.
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He’s a contributor, here, so he can’t really reply- I’m the only contributor that really openly talks about steroids and related compounds…but I’ll tell you that he was approached by ChemOne, via PM here.
He’s writing your MGF/IGF protocol for ChemOne. Does that refresh your memory?
HE was contacted by you, not vice-versa. You sent him free products. Don’t you remember? Or are you now going to claim it was the other owner, and you don’t know what I’m talking about.
I PM’ed you his name. He isn’t able to reply, as I said, because I’m really the only Openly Using contributor here. But he’s a regular contributor (author). And I fucking know you approached him and gave him free shit. Don’t play stupid. He didn’t approach you. You approached him via PM.
[quote]juice20jd wrote:
who fucking cares!!!
he said, she said…hidden agendas, underlying motives… [/quote]
I fucking care. I fucking care about the truth, and I fucking care that I was fucking bashed for months by this cocksucker for my involvement in research chems and then he turns around and owns a competing company.
If you were fucking bashed for half a year by some fucking faceless internet loser who was constantly taking pot shots at you for no reason, you’d bet your ass that when he tries to pull shit like this, you’d be all over him, just like I am.
I fucking care.
[quote]T-Matt wrote:
I say we just have an Eating Contest… Whoever can eat the most Metabolic Drive bars (without puking) wins…
Who’s with me??!?!
-T-Matt
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Hey if you’re buying I’m eating.
[quote]Anthony Roberts wrote:
juice20jd wrote:
who fucking cares!!!
he said, she said…hidden agendas, underlying motives…
I fucking care. I fucking care about the truth, and I fucking care that I was fucking bashed for months by this cocksucker for my involvement in research chems and then he turns around and owns a competing company.
If you were fucking bashed for half a year by some fucking faceless internet loser who was constantly taking pot shots at you for no reason, you’d bet your ass that when he tries to pull shit like this, you’d be all over him, just like I am.
I fucking care.
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your predicament is understandable…having your integrity questioned deserves a response
however the solution is simple…
if you can’t handle it…stop participating on the boards (or at least this one)…since they truly don’t benefit you in any financial way, shape, or form, as you proffess. somehow i think you will remain…chickenhawk.
[quote]juice20jd wrote:
if you can’t handle it…stop participating on the boards (or at least this one)…since they truly don’t benefit you in any financial way, shape, or form, as you proffess. somehow i think you will remain…chickenhawk.
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I can handle it; I’m not going to stop participating. I didn’t stop over the months shit fuck-stick douche-rocket was harassing me…so now, I find it amusing to remind everyone of just how he’s changed his tune lately.
How the things which made him say I was untrustworthy a few months ago- seem to not apply to him, now that he’s doing those same things.
By the way…those of us who have been to prison call child molesters “chickenhawks” - so I’m unclear as to what context you are using that word here.
I can fuck with this motherfucker just like he did to me, but the difference is that it WILL hurt him financially.
The forums don’t mean shit to me financially, but since ChemOne NEEDS them to sell products, especially since they can’t advertise legitimately on the 5-10 biggest AAS boards on the 'net.
So the forums are financially important to them, but much less so to me. And they should have considered that when they spent months leveling baseless allegations at me, then came out doing the same thing they accused me of doing.
I’ll show them the same courtesy and consideration they showed me.
None.
I can’t fucking stand liars and hipocrits.
and to clarify…the “who cares” was not directed at you…yet you just had to respond…in fact it was a statement that numerous other members here are probably thinking.
only yourself and rainjack give a shit about this…your constant bitchy ass kindergarten battles are ruining it for everyone else.
save it for pm’s or a seperate “RJ vs. AR” thread. or simply let it go…it’s only an “internet loser” so why get riled up.
also, please save the “boards do not benefit me” for someone with an inferior intellect. they most definitely benefit you if not directly, then through indirect pathways.
you have broad exposure on the boards. a constant prescence. you participate. your book gets backed by the admin. it is advertised on the board page. your name is recognized because of this…it helps. nobody truly knew who anthony roberts was until you wrote your book and stopped going by hooker. your omnipotent, previously unpublished, superior theories on AAS were just circulated through the grapevine without the help of the internet?! just word of mouth on the street?! please. the boards count. word of mouth is effective when on the level the internet provides. ignorance of the general masses who believe anything they read will lead them to purchase. the boards help. they provided you a substantial piece of the platform to help get you where you are. argue it all you like.
i don’t mind that this is your career by the way. only that you are self righteous and very (transparently) self serving when it comes to divulging info about it and your affiliations. you provide some truth to be sure…but surely not the full truth.
have fun battling RJ…
[quote]juice20jd wrote:
and to clarify…the “who cares” was not directed at you…yet you just had to respond…in fact it was a statement that numerous other members here are probably thinking.
only yourself and rainjack give a shit about this…your constant bitchy ass kindergarten battles are ruining it for everyone else.
save it for pm’s or a seperate “RJ vs. AR” thread. or simply let it go…it’s only an “internet loser” so why get riled up.[/quote]
If he hadn’t felt the need to fuck with me for the last 6 months, I’d lay off. But his bashing of me, and people I work for, engendered this response.
If he shuts the fuck up, so will I.
If he pimps ChemOne, I’ll reply. If he bashes AG or anyone else I work for/with, then I’ll reply also.
Sound good to everyone? We can end this right here. No more talk of his company by the owner(s).
I can even overlook his last 6 months of “anyone who works for a chem company is untrustworthy- oh, except for me, now that I own one” bullshit.
He stops, I stop. That was the original agreement I had with Chaos. I wouldn’t mention them, if they didn’t promote themselves where I contribute.
Rainjerk stops, and so will I.
Oh…and no posting as his wife to pimp ChemOne either…
[quote]Anthony Roberts wrote:
He’s a contributor, here, so he can’t really reply- I’m the only contributor that really openly talks about steroids and related compounds…but I’ll tell you that he was approached by ChemOne, via PM here.
He’s writing your MGF/IGF protocol for ChemOne. Does that refresh your memory?
HE was contacted by you, not vice-versa. You sent him free products. Don’t you remember? Or are you now going to claim it was the other owner, and you don’t know what I’m talking about.
I PM’ed you his name. He isn’t able to reply, as I said, because I’m really the only Openly Using contributor here. But he’s a regular contributor (author). And I fucking know you approached him and gave him free shit. Don’t play stupid. He didn’t approach you. You approached him via PM.[/quote]
You once again have your ‘facts’ mixed up. This gentleman first attempted to order from us. As I recall the transaction was declined. It was at that point we approached him not only about completing his order, but the IGF/MGF protocol.
Another lie you’re trying to propagate is that the former admin of steroid.com is involved with ChemOne. He’s not, and if he were involved we definitely wouldn’t keep that a secret since he is well respected throughout the community.
In addition your ridiculous assertion that IBE and ChemOne are involved is baseless and wrong. ChemOne has a total of 4 shareholders. Two of them you know aobut - the others are the Chemist and the Shipper who for obvious reasons keep their identity hidden. IBE and ChemOne produce different products using different manufacturing methods (suspensions vs. solutions). Why would the same company produce two lines of the same product using very different methods? That’s RETARDED.
I don’t think you want this fight. We wouldn’t want your mom to ground you and send you to your room. The many (and growing) satisfied customers of ChemOne will continue to support us. As a matter of fact ask the author you spoke of earlier what he thought of our product?
[quote]ChemOne wrote:
You once again have your ‘facts’ mixed up. This gentleman first attempted to order from us. As I recall the transaction was declined. It was at that point we approached him not only about completing his order, but the IGF/MGF protocol.
Another lie you’re trying to propagate is that the former admin of steroid.com is involved with ChemOne. He’s not, and if he were involved we definitely wouldn’t keep that a secret since he is well respected throughout the community.
In addition your ridiculous assertion that IBE and ChemOne are involved is baseless and wrong. ChemOne has a total of 4 shareholders. Two of them you know aobut - the others are the Chemist and the Shipper who for obvious reasons keep their identity hidden. IBE and ChemOne produce different products using different manufacturing methods (suspensions vs. solutions). Why would the same company produce two lines of the same product using very different methods? That’s RETARDED.
I don’t think you want this fight. We wouldn’t want your mom to ground you and send you to your room. The many (and growing) satisfied customers of ChemOne will continue to support us. As a matter of fact ask the author you spoke of earlier what he thought of our product?
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The facts were as he gave them to me.
The speculation on who owns the company is as per information given to me.
My mom? WTF?
I can only assume you traced my IP, and saw a womans name. Duh. When I moved to New Zealand, I had my cars, my phone, etc…all switched to my mothers name, so I could wire her money and have her just pay my bills.
Being the lazy fuck I am, I never changed any of it back.