Cheesetastics Anonymous

[quote]Elkhntr1 wrote:
Bong smoke and mirrors… you’re freakin hilarious Vroom.

Vegita, I’m really starting to think you’re retarded. Really. [/quote]

next time you start on me, Elk, let’s just remember this sterling example of you not having an original thought.

You could’ve at least said you thought Veg rode the short bus, or was “special”…but no, you went right to vroom’s phrasing.

I don’t think Veg is retarted, I just think he’s frustrated at having personal attacks made on him for every opinion he states.

You don’t attempt to argue the points he makes, you just sling shit at him. As someone who’s been known to do that on occasion, I feel I can say this with confidence: It doesn’t get you anywhere.

[quote]vroom wrote:
Joe, that’s a fair question.

I’m not sure I have the answer, but I think assuming it is willfully supressed is just another conspiracy theory.

It costs real money to write up a story, publish it on paper, or online, or to air it.

If your competitors are showing pictures of dead bodies and screaming wounded, while you show a picture of a new schoolhouse, you are going to lose audience and therefore money.

I’m all for a market economy, but there are things it can’t do well. It can’t resist pandering to the masses and playing on emotions. Whatever makes more money is what gets emphasized.

Balanced reporting between good and bad news is generally understood to be one of those casualties.

Whether it is a war, or your own neighborhood, the TV station shows you every single violent crime, then perhaps may stuff in a single feel good story to mollify people who bitch about the news being negative all the time.

I don’t know what the solution is, or if this is all that is going on, but it’s certainly plausible. If someone could make a lot of money showing pictures of new schools and smiling Iraqi children, don’t you think they’d be doing it?

Hell, I know I would! I’d be happy to make money off of both conservatives and liberals, the money can’t tell the difference and neither could I once it was in my own pocket…[/quote]

Okay. So now, what we have is this (I think): some of us believe–or at least think–that a lot of good news type stories aren’t reported. You say it’s because it doesn’t sell–yet the people and places where the good news is actually told, or at least featured, are places that are doing fairly well.
People are very easily led.

For the most part, if the media presented positive stories, or a balance, then people would be happy with that.
I’m not disagreeing that it’s far easier to sensationalize bad news–because it certainly is.

Add to that the sheer number of media members who admit to being liberal, or voting for liberals, and what do you have?

Ninety some odd percent of the Washington press corps voted for Clinton. Are you going to tell me that their beliefs aren’t going to color their phrasing or reporting at all?

I don’t blame them for it…my beliefs color what I say and do, and so do yours.
But shouldn’t the number be closer to 50%?

When I look at figures of 90+% voting against Bush, I tend to believe that at least half of those people would willingly make up or color stories to make the administration look bad.
Newsweek, for example.

And on the other hand, look how popular FOX news is, and Rush Limbaugh.
They’ve found a way to make money by not running America down.

Thanks for answering!

[quote]Vegita wrote:
Elkhntr1 wrote:
Bong smoke and mirrors… you’re freakin hilarious Vroom.

Vegita, I’m really starting to think you’re retarded. Really.

And this accomplishes what? you guys get to the point where I bury you every time and you have to resort to calling me a bongsmoker and a retard. You guys rule. I am so envious of your intellectual power. Oh well looks like it’s back to ignoring you guys again.
V[/quote]

You promise!!!

Veg, I will give credit where credit is due. Guys like Zeb, Thunderbolt, Hedo, and others, who I more often then not disagree with on content still express themselves in a very articulate and intelligent fashion. Like I said, I disagree with the message, but can’t say it isn’t a thought out intelligent viewpoint.

Conversely with you, often times you trot out some bizarre nonsensical left field viewpoint attack and act as if it is some profound point that should be taken seriously. Or, you act as if you have pointed out some fantastic transgression on anyone who expresses what isn’t a conservative or pro war viewpoint.

So, I have never thought you buried anyone in any of your arguments other then maybe a porn argument. I do honestly think you mistakenly feel that you have this ability and have done this, but as Vroom pointed out this may be due to bad crack or one too many bong hits.

Oh, and don’t forget to ignore us, we are counting on you!

Joe, you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

[quote]Elkhntr1 wrote:
Joe, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. [/quote]

Damn, Brother Elk!!
That’s the nicest thing you’ve said to me in…well, maybe forever!
Thanks!

Wait…that’s actually kind of sad.

:frowning:

ProX- You’ve got to stop holding back and tell us how you really feel. This wallflower act is getting old…

Anyway, a few comments about the whole “educated” thing.

“The educated also understand that the rest of the world will judge us based on the overall effect as well as the negatives.”

Well, to use the syntax of a former CIC, it depends on the meaning of is is when defining what education is.

Being a doctor and all, you of course were served up strong doses of the hard sciences, notions that pan out time and time again in experiment and experience. From that one might get the impression that education is all about neutral observers gathering and disseminating the best possible evidence.

I would argue that is in fact very much not the case. In the social sciences and humanities, many of the facts are anything but, something people who are often far from neutral observers don’t bother to tell the student. I would venture to say that may educators needn’t be bothered with the attempt at gathering untarnished evidence anyway, they “know” what they know from long ago (the sixties, man) and that’s that.

So when someone states that educated folks know this and think that red flags should go up all over the place. Who is doing the educating, why, and what are they teaching?

For example: government papers in Egypt supposedly inform the reader that Jews are descendents of pig and apes.

What about the theory of ulcers in your own field? Didn’t some doctor, in the face of nearly universal scorn by his peers, disprove the then prevailing notion taught as fact at the time?

What about what doctors were educated about fat, cholesterol and heart diseases then and now?

The point: there is no body of neutral observers to judge the actions of the United States on the facts of our actions in Iraq, especially not our “allies” the French and the Russians.

Reporters may in fact tell the biggest lies of all, claiming some sort of objective posture and background knowledge when in fact they have their own biases, ignorance and laziness to hide. Many of them have the Vietnam syndrome, reporting to change the outcome rather than to merely tell us what is going on. They are no more objective and disinterested than Dubbya and his boys, although I’d bet more than a few dinars they would like us to think so.

This is not of course to argue that your ultimate premise is flawed. We should seek to know what really happened and why. Unfortunately, though, to say that one’s being educated often clouds the picture more than clarifies it. That goes for credentialed and titled too.

[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
Okay Moriarty, I found something in the Washington Post:

I am assuming that the reason this shows up is because it is not positive news. I would classifiy it as “neutral”. The article explores the reasons for the lack of an appreciable increase in electicity supply in Iraq over the last year or so.
[/quote]

This was a good read, not because it is “positive” or “negative”, but because it actually gives us a good picture of what’s going on, and where we’re headed.

From the article:

Avg daily power output:
Pre-war: 4400 Megawatts
Current (5/01/05): 4,000-4,200 Megawatts
Milestone: 6000 Megawatts by mid-summer
Ultimate goal: 8,000-8,800 Megawatt peak

Previous goals:
Raise post-war output from 3,500 Megawatts to 4,400 Megawatts by 12/03: Successful

Raise output to 6,000 megawatts by 06/01/04: Failed.

Funds for “Electricity Improvement”
$5.5 billion allotted
$1.2 billion diverted to security
$961 million spent towards goals
$12 billion estimate final cost (through 2007)

Thanks for passing this data long to us Loth. This is what I’m looking for, as I’m just personally not interested in “insurgents blew up a generator today”, or “We fixed a generator today”, with no context. As most of the people here aren’t actually interested in tracking progress, but rather interested in finding random “good” and “bad” factoids, I’ll just track these metrics myself. I’m eager to see what kind of progress we make in the coming 3 months.

If anyone else is interested in actually compiling metrics that track progress, or has anymore information like this regarding the water supply or other critical infrastructure, PM me and let me know.

[quote]hedo wrote:

However I can see, where others have mentioned, that arguing with you is a collosal waste of time.

Your bias is too extreme, it makes discussion with you pointless.

Have a nice day.[/quote]

That was hilarious. You haven’t discussed any topics with me. You accused me of several things, however, while making the sarcastic remark/question, “Perhaps you’ll pose a topic one day?”. Don’t get mad when soemone sees through you. It wasn’t that hard.

I’m not too sure that accusing someone of sampling the cronic on a regular basis in solid ground for attacking their intelligence. Cliff Claven told me that he read a study showing that habitual dope smokers actually had a one point higher IQ than the milk and cookies control group. Go figure.

Now if you will excuse me its 4:20 bro.

[quote]Joe Weider wrote:
Elkhntr1 wrote:
Joe, you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

Damn, Brother Elk!!
That’s the nicest thing you’ve said to me in…well, maybe forever!
Thanks!

Wait…that’s actually kind of sad.

:frowning:
[/quote]

No problem Joe Johnson, whew, theres another nice one. Hey, you gotta admit bong smoke and mirrors was funny. C’mon admit it.

[quote]schrauper wrote:
I’m not too sure that accusing someone of sampling the cronic on a regular basis in solid ground for attacking their intelligence. Cliff Claven told me that he read a study showing that habitual dope smokers actually had a one point higher IQ than the milk and cookies control group. Go figure.

Now if you will excuse me its 4:20 bro.[/quote]

I just pointed out that it may be a contributing factor. Don’t know for sure. :wink:

[quote]Elkhntr1 wrote:
Joe Weider wrote:
Elkhntr1 wrote:
Joe, you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

Damn, Brother Elk!!
That’s the nicest thing you’ve said to me in…well, maybe forever!
Thanks!

Wait…that’s actually kind of sad.

:frowning:

No problem Joe Johnson, whew, theres another nice one. Hey, you gotta admit bong smoke and mirrors was funny. C’mon admit it. [/quote]

Well…to be perfectly honest, yeah.
I wish it hadn’t been used as the only reason to discredit what he was saying, but yeah, it was funny.
:wink:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
hedo wrote:

However I can see, where others have mentioned, that arguing with you is a collosal waste of time.

Your bias is too extreme, it makes discussion with you pointless.

Have a nice day.

That was hilarious. You haven’t discussed any topics with me. You accused me of several things, however, while making the sarcastic remark/question, “Perhaps you’ll pose a topic one day?”. Don’t get mad when soemone sees through you. It wasn’t that hard.
[/quote]

Rather full of yourself today aren’t you.

As if.

[quote]hedo wrote:
Professor X wrote:
hedo wrote:

However I can see, where others have mentioned, that arguing with you is a collosal waste of time.

Your bias is too extreme, it makes discussion with you pointless.

Have a nice day.

That was hilarious. You haven’t discussed any topics with me. You accused me of several things, however, while making the sarcastic remark/question, “Perhaps you’ll pose a topic one day?”. Don’t get mad when soemone sees through you. It wasn’t that hard.

Rather full of yourself today aren’t you.

As if.
[/quote]

Hey, hedo, ask POX if he’s going to try and go toe to toe with Cressey and Robertson again tonight. I really enjoyed it the other night…
Man did they put him down like a whipped dog.

Joe,

Just because you and I have an uneasy truce doesn’t mean I have to be nice to everyone!

Holy shit man, you have got to know that just wouldn’t be possible…

[quote]Joe Weider wrote:
hedo wrote:
Professor X wrote:
hedo wrote:

However I can see, where others have mentioned, that arguing with you is a collosal waste of time.

Your bias is too extreme, it makes discussion with you pointless.

Have a nice day.

That was hilarious. You haven’t discussed any topics with me. You accused me of several things, however, while making the sarcastic remark/question, “Perhaps you’ll pose a topic one day?”. Don’t get mad when soemone sees through you. It wasn’t that hard.

Rather full of yourself today aren’t you.

As if.

Hey, hedo, ask POX if he’s going to try and go toe to toe with Cressey and Robertson again tonight. I really enjoyed it the other night…
Man did they put him down like a whipped dog.[/quote]

I hear you…some mistake arrogance for intellect.

[quote]vroom wrote:
Joe,

Just because you and I have an uneasy truce doesn’t mean I have to be nice to everyone!

Holy shit man, you have got to know that just wouldn’t be possible…[/quote]

I’m sorry what?

LOL!!

You’re confusing me. Speak (write) slowly. Hard day doing physical labor in the sudden summer weather and it’s deadlift day.

Besides, yes, I do know.
We act a lot alike. We’re both opinionated assholes.

Uneasy?
I’m offended though. Shit, I was ready to go up to Canada and start picking out china patterns!
<kidding. God…>

[quote]vroom wrote:
Joe,

Just because you and I have an uneasy truce doesn’t mean I have to be nice to everyone!

Holy shit man, you have got to know that just wouldn’t be possible…[/quote]

Oh, btw, I like the line about “aborting misconceptions”.

You guys were all on the debate team in high school, weren’t you?

[quote]Joe Weider wrote:
Hey, hedo, ask POX if he’s going to try and go toe to toe with Cressey and Robertson again tonight. I really enjoyed it the other night…
Man did they put him down like a whipped dog.[/quote]

I’m just now reading this. In what thread did they even reply to my posts directly? Last I checked, he left my last response unanswered.