Cheat Foods... That Aren't

Nutrition
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[quote]DJS wrote:
I’ve been doing leangains as well and it’s a lot easier. Nothing is off the table. I really like it. I’ll never diet again eating 12 hours a day. But if I’m bulking then I may go back to eating breakfast etc. [/quote]

I’m doing IF (LeanGains in a sense) and I think I would probably still use it to start to ‘bulk’ when I’m done leaning out… although I don’t think I’ll ever use the term bulk ever again. (Note: my 3 real ‘bulks’ were prob 80% clean and I still gained at a 50/50 lbm/fat raio). I would probably just extend the eating window to 10 hours, and maybe implement something like CHY pulses (especially to break the fast).

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I’ve had shiritaki noodles with regular marinara sauce and it’s worked pretty well. I sautee the noodles with the sauce for a little bit so they absorb the flavor (otherwise they have none).

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[quote]chillain wrote:

[quote]Stronghold wrote:
I’m doing leangains style intermittent fasting, so it’s not difficult at all.[/quote]

This is worth emphasizing: its simply MUCH, MUCH easier to fit “cheat foods” in when you’re splitting up your daily intake (2400kcals, in this example) over 2-3 meals (so, 800-1200kcals per feeding)

Split that identical energy intake over 5-6 meals (so, 400-480kcals per) and, well, I hope that’s sustainable for those of you that do…
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As I have progessively been lowering my macros, I have noticed that I just naturally started taking out meals. I started at eating 6 times per day and am now down to 4, I don’t see myself every being abole to go lower than 4 though, just due to the spacing between meals.

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[quote]Stronghold wrote:

[quote]chillain wrote:

[quote]Stronghold wrote:
I’m doing leangains style intermittent fasting, so it’s not difficult at all.[/quote]

This is worth emphasizing: its simply MUCH, MUCH easier to fit “cheat foods” in when you’re splitting up your daily intake (2400kcals, in this example) over 2-3 meals (so, 800-1200kcals per feeding)

Split that identical energy intake over 5-6 meals (so, 400-480kcals per) and, well, I hope that’s sustainable for those of you that do…
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This is a big reason why I will likely never go back to eating 6 meals a day. It’s just not sustainable for my appetite and schedule.
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Can you PM me the overview article on LG if it exists? I’d love to look into it.

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one word: sludge

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[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:

[quote]Stronghold wrote:

[quote]chillain wrote:

[quote]Stronghold wrote:
I’m doing leangains style intermittent fasting, so it’s not difficult at all.[/quote]

This is worth emphasizing: its simply MUCH, MUCH easier to fit “cheat foods” in when you’re splitting up your daily intake (2400kcals, in this example) over 2-3 meals (so, 800-1200kcals per feeding)

Split that identical energy intake over 5-6 meals (so, 400-480kcals per) and, well, I hope that’s sustainable for those of you that do…
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This is a big reason why I will likely never go back to eating 6 meals a day. It’s just not sustainable for my appetite and schedule.
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Can you PM me the overview article on LG if it exists? I’d love to look into it.
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YGPM.

Let me know if you have any questions about it, I’ve been eating this way for nearly a year now…think I’ve eaten breakfast maybe 5 times since last July.

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[quote]Stronghold wrote:

[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:

[quote]Stronghold wrote:

[quote]chillain wrote:

[quote]Stronghold wrote:
I’m doing leangains style intermittent fasting, so it’s not difficult at all.[/quote]

This is worth emphasizing: its simply MUCH, MUCH easier to fit “cheat foods” in when you’re splitting up your daily intake (2400kcals, in this example) over 2-3 meals (so, 800-1200kcals per feeding)

Split that identical energy intake over 5-6 meals (so, 400-480kcals per) and, well, I hope that’s sustainable for those of you that do…
[/quote]

This is a big reason why I will likely never go back to eating 6 meals a day. It’s just not sustainable for my appetite and schedule.
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Can you PM me the overview article on LG if it exists? I’d love to look into it.
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YGPM.

Let me know if you have any questions about it, I’ve been eating this way for nearly a year now…think I’ve eaten breakfast maybe 5 times since last July.[/quote]

I agree too that the LeanGains style of feeding may be extremely effective and convenient for some people but is it not worth considering the adverse health effects of the unhealthy foods you eat when indulging in pizza and burgers? I mean, it’s not unreasonable to think that nearly 90% of the world is sensitive to gluten and subjecting the body to this protein regularly enough can bring about a variety of health complications in the future not to mention potentially wreak havoc on your hormones.

I’d be interested to experiment with LG and get blood work done before and after. I read reports of IF having a positive effect on things such as blood lipids as well as insulin sensitivity—but I also wonder the frequency of cases of something like celiac’s disease or colon cancer in IFers who so frequently indulge in irritating micronutrients.

Surely the LeanGains method has proven itself time and time again for producing amazing changes in physiques but what about the overall health of the clients?

Just a thought! I’d be interested to hear yours without completely taking over this thread!

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On another note…

I like 35% whipping cream mixed with 10g glutamine. If you a really on a restrictive diet, I have found this to kill all existing carbohydrate cravings.

Also I have heard most coaches say sugar-free gum and diet soda are fair game as long as they are under 50g and 16oz per day respectively.

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[quote]t.bruce wrote:

I agree too that the LeanGains style of feeding may be extremely effective and convenient for some people but is it not worth considering the adverse health effects of the unhealthy foods you eat when indulging in pizza and burgers? [/quote]

Such as? What exactly about pizza or hamburgers is it that so negatively impacts health? The vegetables? The red meat? Cheese? Or is it that specific combination of those ingredients? Maybe it’s the carbohydrates?

[quote]t.bruce wrote:
I mean, it’s not unreasonable to think that nearly 90% of the world is sensitive to gluten [/quote]

Actually, yes it is.

[quote]t.bruce wrote:
and subjecting the body to this protein regularly enough can bring about a variety of health complications in the future not to mention potentially wreak havoc on your hormones. [/quote]

If you actually have an intolerance, the percentage of the population who do is nowhere near the stupid figure you just pulled out of your ass above.

[quote]t.bruce wrote:
I’d be interested to experiment with LG and get blood work done before and after. I read reports of IF having a positive effect on things such as blood lipids as well as insulin sensitivity—but I also wonder the frequency of cases of something like celiac’s disease or colon cancer in IFers who so frequently indulge in irritating micronutrients.[/quote]

Again, based only on your ass-backwards notions of food intolerances, allergies, and auto-immune disorders.

[quote]t.bruce wrote:
Surely the LeanGains method has proven itself time and time again for producing amazing changes in physiques but what about the overall health of the clients?

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People managed to be healthy before the fitness industry named gluten it’s new scapegoat du jour and your assertions about it’s absence being necessary for “overall health” are pretty silly.

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Frank’s Redhot Wings sauce-Buffalo (zero calories and tastes like hooters wingsauce with a kick)

/end thread

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[quote]t.bruce wrote:
Just a thought! I’d be interested to hear yours without completely taking over this thread[/quote]

I’m sure Stronghold will be back with a more thorough response, but dude WTF?

How did you go from what was stated (being able “fit in” cheat foods inside daily macro targets) to some wild-and-crazy world where individuals ignore all else in the pursuit eating ONLY burgers and pizza while thumbing their nose at colon cancer and celiac disease, and all under the flag of “IF”??

edit - nevermind, Stronghold was already here

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[quote]t.bruce wrote:
On another note…

Also I have heard most coaches say … diet soda are fair game as long as they are under… 16oz per day respectively.[/quote]

If something has 0 calories, why would you have to restrict it to 16oz a day?

Not that I’m dieting, but I smoke that figure well before lunch any day I’m in the office.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]t.bruce wrote:
On another note…

Also I have heard most coaches say … diet soda are fair game as long as they are under… 16oz per day respectively.[/quote]

If something has 0 calories, why would you have to restrict it to 16oz a day?

Not that I’m dieting, but I smoke that figure well before lunch any day I’m in the office.[/quote]

Probably the same crazy people who say I shouldn’t drink more than 1 cup of coffee a day.

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[quote]waldo21212 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]t.bruce wrote:
On another note…

Also I have heard most coaches say … diet soda are fair game as long as they are under… 16oz per day respectively.[/quote]

If something has 0 calories, why would you have to restrict it to 16oz a day?

Not that I’m dieting, but I smoke that figure well before lunch any day I’m in the office.[/quote]

Probably the same crazy people who say I shouldn’t drink more than 1 cup of coffee a day.[/quote]

Crazy talk

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I got a new recipe that I tried the other night;

blend ricotta cheese and diet rasberry jelly powder in a blender, and then
pour into tray and let it set in the fridge for an hour.
Voila! Rasberry cheescake. Add some shaved almonds for a bit of crunch.

tweet tweet

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Not to contribute to the hijack, but…I was told that I had a gluten allergy/intolerance/whatever long before it was cool to avoid gluten (~12 yrs ago). I don’t follow a special diet (aside from IFing and hitting my daily macros) and feel fine. I eat the same pizza and burgers that stronghold eats AND I’ve been known to put down a full pint of Ben and Jerry’s fro-yo afterwards. My (fl)abs look better than ever and my lifts keep going up.

I’m not really sure where this idea that grains will ruin your life came from. Maybe eating them is keeping me from having superhuman powers or something…

On topic:
Arctic Zero “ice cream” is pretty good if your diet won’t allow you to have the real thing. 150 calories A PINT and fat free.

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Frank’s Redhot Wings sauce-Buffalo (zero calories and tastes like hooters wingsauce with a kick)

/end thread[/quote]

Couldn’t agree more with you Way!

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[quote]thenewguy wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Frank’s Redhot Wings sauce-Buffalo (zero calories and tastes like hooters wingsauce with a kick)

/end thread[/quote]

Couldn’t agree more with you Way![/quote]

x3. I eat hot sauce on everything, except oatmeal.

Actually…might give that shot later…

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[quote]chillain wrote:

[quote]t.bruce wrote:
Just a thought! I’d be interested to hear yours without completely taking over this thread[/quote]

I’m sure Stronghold will be back with a more thorough response, but dude WTF?

How did you go from what was stated (being able “fit in” cheat foods inside daily macro targets) to some wild-and-crazy world where individuals ignore all else in the pursuit eating ONLY burgers and pizza while thumbing their nose at colon cancer and celiac disease, and all under the flag of “IF”??

edit - nevermind, Stronghold was already here

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Actually, I practice moderation in no sense of the word and live off of pork rinds and hot dogs.

Here’s what’s on the menu for today:

8am: 10mg yohimbine, 5000iu D3, 100mg b6, 500mg Curcumin, washed down with a monster zero

8am-2pm: half gallon of water and 4 diet 7-up’s

2pm: 3 omega-3 eggs in an omelette with .5 oz 2% cheese and hot sauce, 2 scoops MPI+ fiber

During/around training: 2.5ml Alpha-GPC, 1 scoop ANACONDA, 1 scoop MAG-10, powerbar

Dinner: 12 oz lean pulled pork shoulder cooked with onions and radishes on two white (GASP!) buns w/homemade sauce (use oj in it: FRUCTOSE ZOMG!), corn on the cob, garden salad, oatmeal with shredded coconut and blueberries for desert (legit favorite desert of mine)

Bedtime: 2 scoops MPI+fiber, 4g fish oil, ZMA

Definitely setting myself up for a life of disease and living off of fast foods here, huh?

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[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
Not to contribute to the hijack, but…I was told that I had a gluten allergy/intolerance/whatever long before it was cool to avoid gluten (~12 yrs ago). I don’t follow a special diet (aside from IFing and hitting my daily macros) and feel fine. I eat the same pizza and burgers that stronghold eats AND I’ve been known to put down a full pint of Ben and Jerry’s fro-yo afterwards. My (fl)abs look better than ever and my lifts keep going up.

I’m not really sure where this idea that grains will ruin your life came from. Maybe eating them is keeping me from having superhuman powers or something…

On topic:
Arctic Zero “ice cream” is pretty good if your diet won’t allow you to have the real thing. 150 calories A PINT and fat free.[/quote]

Buckeye, I can say the same thing, except no one ever told me I had an allergy or intolerance for grains. To be honest, I was pretty sure I digested them with no problems at all. What I found out is that when I got rid of grains, my skin cleared up and I hold 3 lbs less water on a daily basis. Best of all, killed any and all PMSing, which wasn’t all that bad but I can live without. Overall I just feel better, digestion is way better, and I can’t attribute that to anything else since cutting gluten is the only dietary change I’ve made in forever. Strength-wise I can’t say, I am just now back at 100% from an injury early December, so far so good though.

I don’t think there is a right or wrong when it comes to any food plan, if it works for you, then keep doing it until it doesn’t work anymore.
I’ll look for the Arctic Zero, but we probably don’t have it here ) :