Will miracles never cease? Well, have no fear, he will find another way to repress the people of Venezuela and remain EL Presidente for life. It’s still a wonderful moment.
Good stuff.
Now wait a second, didn’t you guys used to say that Chavez rigs elections and all that? I think the results show that Venezuela is a perfectly healthy democracy.
How do you like your icy shower Pat?
[quote]lixy wrote:
Now wait a second, didn’t you guys used to say that Chavez rigs elections and all that? I think the results show that Venezuela is a perfectly healthy democracy.
How do you like your icy shower Pat?[/quote]
lixy,
I knew you’d be upset by the results.
What makes this MORE REMARKABLE is that chavez lost in spite of rigging the process.
It means the real results would be MORE DAMNING.
It’s analgous to when I link positive news stories about Iraq from cnn.
JeffR
[quote]JeffR wrote:
lixy wrote:
Now wait a second, didn’t you guys used to say that Chavez rigs elections and all that? I think the results show that Venezuela is a perfectly healthy democracy.
How do you like your icy shower Pat?
lixy,
I knew you’d be upset by the results.
What makes this MORE REMARKABLE is that chavez lost in spite of rigging the process.
It means the real results would be MORE DAMNING.
It’s analgous to when I link positive news stories about Iraq from cnn.
JeffR
[/quote]
Where do you pull all your hatred from?
[quote]JeffR wrote:
What makes this MORE REMARKABLE is that chavez lost in spite of rigging the process.
It means the real results would be MORE DAMNING.[/quote]
I haven’t seen any reports anywhere about international observers claiming fraud or rigging during the referendum.
Do you have sources, or are we once again the captive audience to Jeff’s Buttock News?
You appear bitter that Chavez isn’t living up to his big bad boogeyman image you have of him. Odd that so many Americans see electoral fraud everywhere but in their own elections.
It is sad to see your inability to admit the voting process might have been legitimate. You, of course, have no choice in this matter, since that would force you to accept the legitimacy of the process when the results don’t go the way you want.
[quote]pookie wrote:
JeffR wrote:
What makes this MORE REMARKABLE is that chavez lost in spite of rigging the process.
It means the real results would be MORE DAMNING.
I haven’t seen any reports anywhere about international observers claiming fraud or rigging during the referendum.
Do you have sources, or are we once again the captive audience to Jeff’s Buttock News?
You appear bitter that Chavez isn’t living up to his big bad boogeyman image you have of him. Odd that so many Americans see electoral fraud everywhere but in their own elections.
It is sad to see your inability to admit the voting process might have been legitimate. You, of course, have no choice in this matter, since that would force you to accept the legitimacy of the process when the results don’t go the way you want.
[/quote]
There were NO OAS observers or any others.
Chavez puts himself up against the most powerful nation on earth, plus the IMF and World Bank. I’m surprised he’s still alive. The election was probably a warning to him to play ball or start making burial arrangements.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
There were NO OAS observers or any others.
[/quote]
Really?
http://ec.europa.eu/external_relations/human_rights/eu_election_ass_observ/venezuela/index.htm
[quote]JeffR wrote:
I knew you’d be upset by the results.[/quote]
Don’t be an idiot. I am happy common sense prevailed.
Where do you see
Now you are just plain dumb. Every poll taken prior to the referendum show the same trend. Did Chavez have a hand in the poll by Keller & Asociados?
Did I mention you were an idiot?
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Chavez puts himself up against the most powerful nation on earth, plus the IMF and World Bank. I’m surprised he’s still alive. [/quote]
It’s not like they didn’t try, now is it?
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
There were NO OAS observers or any others.
[/quote]
And a few more:
And of course, there’s plain common sense. How big an idiot would you have to be to hold secret, unobserved and rigged elections, only to lose?
You guys are pathetic.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Now wait a second, didn’t you guys used to say that Chavez rigs elections and all that? I think the results show that Venezuela is a perfectly healthy democracy.
How do you like your icy shower Pat?[/quote]
I just believe in this case that the rigging wasn’t enough to overcome the vast majority that’d love to see that mutherfucker in a pinebox underneath the soil. I believed he rigged it, that’s why he was so confident. I believe he is shocked that he could dig up enough ghosts to overwelm the majority, like he ususally does. The fact that 49% of the country voted agaist their own freedom is enough to make me believe there was corruption.
[quote]pookie wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
There were NO OAS observers or any others.
And a few more:
And of course, there’s plain common sense. How big an idiot would you have to be to hold secret, unobserved and rigged elections, only to lose?
You guys are pathetic.
[/quote]
South America is notorious for fraud. It’s how they do business. Venezuela is particularly corrupt. If you got the boliviars you can buy your way out of anything there.
How big an idiot would you have to be to tell people that you intend on taking their freedoms and possesions for their own good and the good of the country and think that anybody actually supports that? It’s the same idiot. He thought he had it in the bag…
Fear not…He will succeed in the end. He will institute socialism and be El Presidente for life. He just do it another way.
[quote]pat36 wrote:
I believed he rigged it, that’s why he was so confident. [/quote]
Are you kidding me? Isn’t displaying confidence what politics is about?
Try pushing for reforms with an ambivalent attitude and see how it turns out.
[quote]pat36 wrote:
South America is notorious for fraud. It’s how they do business. Venezuela is particularly corrupt. If you got the boliviars you can buy your way out of anything there. [/quote]
You’ve never been to Africa or Eastern Europe, have you?
Well, when you got nothing, you got nothin’ a-lose. Who do you think Chavez’s base is? People with possessions? Think again.
I don’t believe that he “thought he had it in the bag”. Every poll I’ve seen showed his reforms would be defeated.
You have absolutely nothing to back your assertions. You keep throwing around accusations without any evidence to support them. You’re entitled to present your opinions, but please think them over a bit. The same ol’ “Chavez is Hitler” is not going to fly with intelligent people and doesn’t make a lively debate. Try to use logic, facts, etc…
[quote]pat36 wrote:
Will miracles never cease? Well, have no fear, he will find another way to repress the people of Venezuela and remain EL Presidente for life. It’s still a wonderful moment.[/quote]
I trust he had a more difficult time rigging the election without Jimmy Carter there to verify. I think Carter had already penciled in a clan meeting for that day.
mike
[quote]pat36 wrote:
South America is notorious for fraud. It’s how they do business. Venezuela is particularly corrupt. If you got the boliviars you can buy your way out of anything there.
How big an idiot would you have to be to tell people that you intend on taking their freedoms and possesions for their own good and the good of the country and think that anybody actually supports that? It’s the same idiot. He thought he had it in the bag…[/quote]
Well, like I asked of Jeff, where’s the evidence?
It’s one thing to air one’s prejudices in public, then another thing altogether to substitute them for fact, and still another to ask others to accept them as such.
HH said they were no observers; that’s false. Although I’m sure he’ll pop back in as soon as he’s found some ammo to denigrate the observers.
You and Jeff claim the election were rigged… I’m quite willing to accept it, I just want something more solid than “I hate Chavez and I’m sure he rigged the election because he’s the kind of guy who rigs every election.”
Evidence. Not personal feelings.
Didn’t we already cover this point once in a thread about Castro? (The Motherfucker thread, I call it…)
[quote]pookie wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
There were NO OAS observers or any others.
And a few more:
And of course, there’s plain common sense. How big an idiot would you have to be to hold secret, unobserved and rigged elections, only to lose?
You guys are pathetic.
[/quote]
I’m only repeating what I heard on CNN. Argue with them.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
I’m only repeating what I heard on CNN. Argue with them.[/quote]
No American observers doesn’t mean no international observers.