[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I don’t know about the rest of you guys, but for some reason a lot of people in the gym tell me what they use. I guess because they think I’m on stuff. But you might be surprised that a lot of the people using barely workout and look entirely average.
I even had one guy tell me he was peeing green because of something he was on.
It makes me feel good to be bigger and stronger than a lot of guys on gear.[/quote]
LOL @ “green pee”.
^ Damn Gamma radiation.
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
He’s lying. He’s full of shit. First of all, as someone who has actually played baseball and thrown 85+mph, I can tell you that Sheen was not even coming close to 85mph in that movie and his throwing motion was so poor that if he could throw 85 with that delivery than with a more mechanically-sound delivery he would be throwing even harder than that.
Furthermore, steroids aren’t going to help put that much velocity on someone’s fastball in that short of a time. 6-8 weeks is about the same time it would take to regain arm strength if someone hasn’t thrown in a while, so even if he could throw 85, he reached that false speed simply because it took him that long to stretch his arm out and regain his arm strength.
This is just some bullshit attempt by Charlie Sheen to try and get more people to watch Major League again so he continues to remain somewhat relevant in the public’s mind.[/quote]
There are plenty people that throw 85+ with a less than “mechanically-sound” delivery. Tim Lincecum and Kevin Appier to name a few. Teams care more about results than whether someone is “mechanically-sound.” No way would a team want someone with Lincecum’s build and delivery if he didn’t have 95mph heat to back it up. I believe the claim Sheen threw 85.
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You’re confusing mechanically-sound with unorthodox. If you examine each of those pitchers’ motions, they are both mechanically-sound, hence Appier’s relatively-injury free career and Lincecum’s injury-absent career. When the lead foot comes down, they’re basically in the proper throwing position. How you get to that point doesn’t really matter that much.
Also, Lincecum’s delivery is designed to maximize velocity. In fact, most pitcher’s motions are designed to maximize velocity with the least amount of working parts in order to also make the motion repeatable and therefore easy to throw strikes. Even a guy throwing 85-87mph is throwing as hard as they can and still be able to have control. Sheen’s motion is clearly flawed and is not geared toward helping him achieve maximum velocity. I’m not talking about a relatively minor flaw that allows someone to throw hard, but at high risk of injury like Stephen Strasburg. I’m talking about a major mechanical flaw, of which Sheen displayed several in that movie.
If he could throw that hard, ostensibly after having not played competitively on a regular basis since high school, with that poor of a motion, then with a mechanically-sound motion and the time to get back into real pitching shape, Sheen would be capable of throwing into the 90’s. I just don’t buy that.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
^ Damn Gamma radiation.[/quote]
Maybe he said something about a lantern and I just wasn’t paying attention.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
^ Damn Gamma radiation.[/quote]
Maybe he said something about a lantern and I just wasn’t paying attention.[/quote]
It was a bong.
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
He’s lying. He’s full of shit. First of all, as someone who has actually played baseball and thrown 85+mph, I can tell you that Sheen was not even coming close to 85mph in that movie and his throwing motion was so poor that if he could throw 85 with that delivery than with a more mechanically-sound delivery he would be throwing even harder than that.
Furthermore, steroids aren’t going to help put that much velocity on someone’s fastball in that short of a time. 6-8 weeks is about the same time it would take to regain arm strength if someone hasn’t thrown in a while, so even if he could throw 85, he reached that false speed simply because it took him that long to stretch his arm out and regain his arm strength.
This is just some bullshit attempt by Charlie Sheen to try and get more people to watch Major League again so he continues to remain somewhat relevant in the public’s mind.[/quote]
There are plenty people that throw 85+ with a less than “mechanically-sound” delivery. Tim Lincecum and Kevin Appier to name a few. Teams care more about results than whether someone is “mechanically-sound.” No way would a team want someone with Lincecum’s build and delivery if he didn’t have 95mph heat to back it up. I believe the claim Sheen threw 85.
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Also, a mechanically-sound delivery is EXTREMELY important when teams scout pitchers. In fact, it’s arguably more important than results. EVERY pitcher a team scouts in high school and college is getting results. They want pitchers with good mechanics because good mechanics represent a high likelihood of remaining injury free, the ability to pitch deep into games and the ability to repeat the motion and remain in the strike zone. A pitcher with poor mechanics is a project, and teams don’t mind projects, but they don’t take them in the early rounds because they aren’t going to invest that much into fixing a guy’s motion when there are plenty of hard throwers who have good motions already.
When Lincecum was drafted he wasn’t 95+, he was more like 97+. He got the best results of any pitcher in college baseball the year he was drafted. He won the Golden Spikes Award for the best player in ALL of college baseball. Why did he slip down to the 10th pick? His build and delivery. But his delivery is just unorthodox, and that combined with his size scared off 9 different teams who are kicking themselves in the ass right now.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
^ Damn Gamma radiation.[/quote]
Maybe he said something about a lantern and I just wasn’t paying attention.[/quote]
It was a bong.[/quote]
I was going with the Hulk theme DD.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
^ Damn Gamma radiation.[/quote]
Maybe he said something about a lantern and I just wasn’t paying attention.[/quote]
It was a bong.[/quote]
I was going with the Hulk theme DD. [/quote]
I got it. I was trying to continue the “superhero” thing.
My brother actually called me David after the hulk TV show for the first several years of my life, even though my name isn’t David.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
He’s lying. He’s full of shit. First of all, as someone who has actually played baseball and thrown 85+mph, I can tell you that Sheen was not even coming close to 85mph in that movie and his throwing motion was so poor that if he could throw 85 with that delivery than with a more mechanically-sound delivery he would be throwing even harder than that.
Furthermore, steroids aren’t going to help put that much velocity on someone’s fastball in that short of a time. 6-8 weeks is about the same time it would take to regain arm strength if someone hasn’t thrown in a while, so even if he could throw 85, he reached that false speed simply because it took him that long to stretch his arm out and regain his arm strength.
This is just some bullshit attempt by Charlie Sheen to try and get more people to watch Major League again so he continues to remain somewhat relevant in the public’s mind.[/quote]
None of the above debunks his claim. He claims he used steroids. His pitching motion and speed are irrelevant to the claim. [/quote]
I do believe that in the article, or at least in one that I read, that he attributed a 6mph gain in velocity during filming to the steroids.[/quote]
Sorry, didn’t read the article. I don’t have an opinion on his baseball claims (or really care much about him either lol) - only the likelihood he would take a short cycle for aesthetic purposes.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
[quote]BennyHayes wrote:
He had to be using roids in the Rambo satire movie(Hot Shots Part Deux?).[/quote]
Yeah, I imagine he was using for ^that one, but wouldn’t think so for Major league. It’s very common for actors to partake of AAS for roles though. For some reason, they get a pass in the media about it because they’re not “cheating” in sporting events.
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I always think of christian bale going from 120 in the machinist to 220 in batman in less than a year. I when I talk to people who don’t lift, they are hard pressed to admit he basically had to be using. But, on the other hand, they all know that a professional athlete who puts on 20 or 30 pounds of quality muscle over several years is a no good steroid freak.[/quote]
I don’t disagree with your conclusion, but you have a logical flaw to get there. We both know a pro athlete is likely very developed by the time he’s in the league (any league, sport) a few years. We both know that actors do not generally work out like athletes and, they don’t have the development of athletes to begin with. Therefore, Bale could easily go to 220 with “noob gains” - especially after emaciating himself for the role where he dropped to a drastically low bodyweight. What was Bale’s normal healthy walking around weight prior to the Machinist?
Putting 20-30lbs on an already developed athlete is a bit different than putting 20-30lbs of muscle/mass on an actor.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
He’s lying. He’s full of shit. First of all, as someone who has actually played baseball and thrown 85+mph, I can tell you that Sheen was not even coming close to 85mph in that movie and his throwing motion was so poor that if he could throw 85 with that delivery than with a more mechanically-sound delivery he would be throwing even harder than that.
Furthermore, steroids aren’t going to help put that much velocity on someone’s fastball in that short of a time. 6-8 weeks is about the same time it would take to regain arm strength if someone hasn’t thrown in a while, so even if he could throw 85, he reached that false speed simply because it took him that long to stretch his arm out and regain his arm strength.
This is just some bullshit attempt by Charlie Sheen to try and get more people to watch Major League again so he continues to remain somewhat relevant in the public’s mind.[/quote]
So it’s impossible for steroids to increase a persons fastball 6mph in 6-8 weeks (still a slow fastball by Major League standards), but it’s possible for drugs to turn a player who hit 3 home runs between April '09 and August '09 into a 50+ home run type hitter by September '09? For anyone not following, I’m referring to Jose Bautista.
Also If you write a huge wall of text I’m just not going to bother reading your response.
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I have a feeling I’m entering into an intellectual quagmire by engaging you in a conversation as ridiculous as this. But I’ll try.
First of all, your comparison of Sheen to Bautista is asinine. I have never claimed that Bautista is on steroids so I really don’t know why you would bring him into the conversation. If you can come somewhat close to convincing me that Bautista is anywhere close to being relevant to this conversation I might respond. Otherwise, just drop the Bautista thing entirely. I’m not Cuban32 and I do not intend to engage you in a pages-long argument that goes nowhere.
As for Sheen, no it is not impossible for steroids to increase the velocity on one’s fastball, but it is very unlikely that steroids are responsible for adding 6mph in 6-8 weeks to Sheen’s fastball. First of all, the only way steroids are going to put velocity on a fastball is by strengthening the pitcher’s legs and lower back, and even then this tends to allow a pitcher to throw longer at the same speed more so than it allows them to throw harder overall.
I’ve never seen a healthy pitcher, EVER, add 6mph to their fastball in 6-8 weeks simply from gaining strength. It happens due to fixing a major mechanical flaw, recovering from injury or working back into throwing shape after the offseason.
My point is that what Sheen attributes to steroids is probably just him regaining his motion and arm strength naturally. If steroids were really capable of that kind of addition in velocity, Roger Clemens wouldn’t have seen his velocity steadily dip as he grew older. It would have at least stayed the same, if not gone up, if this was true.
At the time when he allegedly started using steroids, Clemens was still throwing mid to high 90’s on a regular basis. Why didn’t he make the jump into a consistent triple-digit velocity. If it was as simple as taking steroids, EVERY pitcher would take them.
Look, Sheen was apparently a pretty decent player in high school and I don’t think he was more than maybe 26 or 27 when he filmed Major League, so if he had the potential at one point to throw hard, then I could see how he was able to put that kind of velocity onto his fastball in such a short time. Think about it. If you could add 6mph to any Major League pitcher, they’d all be entirely different.
There is a huge difference between 85 and 91 and 97. You know when you see that kind of jump in velocity normally? Between the first and second or third week of Spring Training when pitchers are still working themselves into shape. That’s all that Sheen did. [/quote]
You just wrote the wall of text he claimed he wouldn’t read.
You do realize you’re comparing real pitchers to an actor (even if he claims he had prior pitching experience at a lower level)? To say you never saw a pitcher put velocity on his fastball due to strength gains is a tad fallacious when the subject matter is whether an untrained amateur like Sheen was able to do so. Further, whether or not he added velocity to his fastball is really not the point is it? I thought the point is that Sheen claimed to have used AAS in prep for his role in Major League? What Sheen thinks that did for him is pretty much irrelevant. I’m sure it was more for aesthetic purposes than putting velocity on his fastball since I’m pretty sure no one put a radar gun on him when he auditioned for the role 
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
He’s lying. He’s full of shit. First of all, as someone who has actually played baseball and thrown 85+mph, I can tell you that Sheen was not even coming close to 85mph in that movie and his throwing motion was so poor that if he could throw 85 with that delivery than with a more mechanically-sound delivery he would be throwing even harder than that.
Furthermore, steroids aren’t going to help put that much velocity on someone’s fastball in that short of a time. 6-8 weeks is about the same time it would take to regain arm strength if someone hasn’t thrown in a while, so even if he could throw 85, he reached that false speed simply because it took him that long to stretch his arm out and regain his arm strength.
This is just some bullshit attempt by Charlie Sheen to try and get more people to watch Major League again so he continues to remain somewhat relevant in the public’s mind.[/quote]
None of the above debunks his claim. He claims he used steroids. His pitching motion and speed are irrelevant to the claim. [/quote]
I do believe that in the article, or at least in one that I read, that he attributed a 6mph gain in velocity during filming to the steroids.[/quote]
Sorry, didn’t read the article. I don’t have an opinion on his baseball claims (or really care much about him either lol) - only the likelihood he would take a short cycle for aesthetic purposes.[/quote]
Well, if there’s one thing I don’t doubt it’s that he did indeed take steroids. He seems like the type who can’t let go of the “glory days” and the chance to play Rick Vaughn probably rekindled some speed-addled dream of his to play in the bigs and he thought that taking steroids would somehow help with all of this.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
He’s lying. He’s full of shit. First of all, as someone who has actually played baseball and thrown 85+mph, I can tell you that Sheen was not even coming close to 85mph in that movie and his throwing motion was so poor that if he could throw 85 with that delivery than with a more mechanically-sound delivery he would be throwing even harder than that.
Furthermore, steroids aren’t going to help put that much velocity on someone’s fastball in that short of a time. 6-8 weeks is about the same time it would take to regain arm strength if someone hasn’t thrown in a while, so even if he could throw 85, he reached that false speed simply because it took him that long to stretch his arm out and regain his arm strength.
This is just some bullshit attempt by Charlie Sheen to try and get more people to watch Major League again so he continues to remain somewhat relevant in the public’s mind.[/quote]
So it’s impossible for steroids to increase a persons fastball 6mph in 6-8 weeks (still a slow fastball by Major League standards), but it’s possible for drugs to turn a player who hit 3 home runs between April '09 and August '09 into a 50+ home run type hitter by September '09? For anyone not following, I’m referring to Jose Bautista.
Also If you write a huge wall of text I’m just not going to bother reading your response.
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I have a feeling I’m entering into an intellectual quagmire by engaging you in a conversation as ridiculous as this. But I’ll try.
First of all, your comparison of Sheen to Bautista is asinine. I have never claimed that Bautista is on steroids so I really don’t know why you would bring him into the conversation. If you can come somewhat close to convincing me that Bautista is anywhere close to being relevant to this conversation I might respond. Otherwise, just drop the Bautista thing entirely. I’m not Cuban32 and I do not intend to engage you in a pages-long argument that goes nowhere.
As for Sheen, no it is not impossible for steroids to increase the velocity on one’s fastball, but it is very unlikely that steroids are responsible for adding 6mph in 6-8 weeks to Sheen’s fastball. First of all, the only way steroids are going to put velocity on a fastball is by strengthening the pitcher’s legs and lower back, and even then this tends to allow a pitcher to throw longer at the same speed more so than it allows them to throw harder overall.
I’ve never seen a healthy pitcher, EVER, add 6mph to their fastball in 6-8 weeks simply from gaining strength. It happens due to fixing a major mechanical flaw, recovering from injury or working back into throwing shape after the offseason.
My point is that what Sheen attributes to steroids is probably just him regaining his motion and arm strength naturally. If steroids were really capable of that kind of addition in velocity, Roger Clemens wouldn’t have seen his velocity steadily dip as he grew older. It would have at least stayed the same, if not gone up, if this was true.
At the time when he allegedly started using steroids, Clemens was still throwing mid to high 90’s on a regular basis. Why didn’t he make the jump into a consistent triple-digit velocity. If it was as simple as taking steroids, EVERY pitcher would take them.
Look, Sheen was apparently a pretty decent player in high school and I don’t think he was more than maybe 26 or 27 when he filmed Major League, so if he had the potential at one point to throw hard, then I could see how he was able to put that kind of velocity onto his fastball in such a short time. Think about it. If you could add 6mph to any Major League pitcher, they’d all be entirely different.
There is a huge difference between 85 and 91 and 97. You know when you see that kind of jump in velocity normally? Between the first and second or third week of Spring Training when pitchers are still working themselves into shape. That’s all that Sheen did. [/quote]
I only read the first 2 and last 2 paragraphs of your post. I was under the impression you were in agreement with cuban32’s assessment of Bautista. Am I wrong?
In regards to adding velocity to a pitcher would you say it’s much easier to add MPH at lower speeds than at Major League type velocity? Is increasing your fastball from 85 to 91 exponentially more difficult than getting it to go from 79 to 85? The reason I consider it possible Sheen isn’t lying is because his end result was still a mediocre velocity by MLB standards.
I don’t disagree that he could be bullshitting for publicity, either it’s working since we’re talking about him heh.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
[quote]BennyHayes wrote:
He had to be using roids in the Rambo satire movie(Hot Shots Part Deux?).[/quote]
Yeah, I imagine he was using for ^that one, but wouldn’t think so for Major league. It’s very common for actors to partake of AAS for roles though. For some reason, they get a pass in the media about it because they’re not “cheating” in sporting events.
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I always think of christian bale going from 120 in the machinist to 220 in batman in less than a year. I when I talk to people who don’t lift, they are hard pressed to admit he basically had to be using. But, on the other hand, they all know that a professional athlete who puts on 20 or 30 pounds of quality muscle over several years is a no good steroid freak.[/quote]
I don’t disagree with your conclusion, but you have a logical flaw to get there. We both know a pro athlete is likely very developed by the time he’s in the league (any league, sport) a few years. We both know that actors do not generally work out like athletes and, they don’t have the development of athletes to begin with. Therefore, Bale could easily go to 220 with “noob gains” - especially after emaciating himself for the role where he dropped to a drastically low bodyweight. What was Bale’s normal healthy walking around weight prior to the Machinist?
Putting 20-30lbs on an already developed athlete is a bit different than putting 20-30lbs of muscle/mass on an actor. [/quote]
I agree.
I believe in an interview with him he had been 180-190 before the machinist. Then ballooned up to a pudgy 190 after that movie and trained just a few months for batman coming in at a lean 220.
And it depends on the athlete. Some are not that developed.
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
There are plenty people that throw 85+ with a less than “mechanically-sound” delivery. Tim Lincecum and Kevin Appier to name a few. Teams care more about results than whether someone is “mechanically-sound.” No way would a team want someone with Lincecum’s build and delivery if he didn’t have 95mph heat to back it up. I believe the claim Sheen threw 85.
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Holy hell bud, why don’t you go stand on the tallest rooftop and shout to the world “I’M AN IDIOT”?
Off the top of my head I would say Tim Lincecum has the BEST mechanics I have ever seen. Regardless of weather there are a few others out there with better mechanics, everyone who knows baseball would describe his delivery as fantastic.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
He’s lying. He’s full of shit. First of all, as someone who has actually played baseball and thrown 85+mph, I can tell you that Sheen was not even coming close to 85mph in that movie and his throwing motion was so poor that if he could throw 85 with that delivery than with a more mechanically-sound delivery he would be throwing even harder than that.
Furthermore, steroids aren’t going to help put that much velocity on someone’s fastball in that short of a time. 6-8 weeks is about the same time it would take to regain arm strength if someone hasn’t thrown in a while, so even if he could throw 85, he reached that false speed simply because it took him that long to stretch his arm out and regain his arm strength.
This is just some bullshit attempt by Charlie Sheen to try and get more people to watch Major League again so he continues to remain somewhat relevant in the public’s mind.[/quote]
None of the above debunks his claim. He claims he used steroids. His pitching motion and speed are irrelevant to the claim. [/quote]
I do believe that in the article, or at least in one that I read, that he attributed a 6mph gain in velocity during filming to the steroids.[/quote]
Sorry, didn’t read the article. I don’t have an opinion on his baseball claims (or really care much about him either lol) - only the likelihood he would take a short cycle for aesthetic purposes.[/quote]
Well, if there’s one thing I don’t doubt it’s that he did indeed take steroids. He seems like the type who can’t let go of the “glory days” and the chance to play Rick Vaughn probably rekindled some speed-addled dream of his to play in the bigs and he thought that taking steroids would somehow help with all of this.[/quote]
That was my first point really - that I believe that wingnut would take AAS for the movie, even though the role didn’t require it
In case the imbedding doesn’t work;
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
He’s lying. He’s full of shit. First of all, as someone who has actually played baseball and thrown 85+mph, I can tell you that Sheen was not even coming close to 85mph in that movie and his throwing motion was so poor that if he could throw 85 with that delivery than with a more mechanically-sound delivery he would be throwing even harder than that.
Furthermore, steroids aren’t going to help put that much velocity on someone’s fastball in that short of a time. 6-8 weeks is about the same time it would take to regain arm strength if someone hasn’t thrown in a while, so even if he could throw 85, he reached that false speed simply because it took him that long to stretch his arm out and regain his arm strength.
This is just some bullshit attempt by Charlie Sheen to try and get more people to watch Major League again so he continues to remain somewhat relevant in the public’s mind.[/quote]
So it’s impossible for steroids to increase a persons fastball 6mph in 6-8 weeks (still a slow fastball by Major League standards), but it’s possible for drugs to turn a player who hit 3 home runs between April '09 and August '09 into a 50+ home run type hitter by September '09? For anyone not following, I’m referring to Jose Bautista.
Also If you write a huge wall of text I’m just not going to bother reading your response.
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I have a feeling I’m entering into an intellectual quagmire by engaging you in a conversation as ridiculous as this. But I’ll try.
First of all, your comparison of Sheen to Bautista is asinine. I have never claimed that Bautista is on steroids so I really don’t know why you would bring him into the conversation. If you can come somewhat close to convincing me that Bautista is anywhere close to being relevant to this conversation I might respond. Otherwise, just drop the Bautista thing entirely. I’m not Cuban32 and I do not intend to engage you in a pages-long argument that goes nowhere.
As for Sheen, no it is not impossible for steroids to increase the velocity on one’s fastball, but it is very unlikely that steroids are responsible for adding 6mph in 6-8 weeks to Sheen’s fastball. First of all, the only way steroids are going to put velocity on a fastball is by strengthening the pitcher’s legs and lower back, and even then this tends to allow a pitcher to throw longer at the same speed more so than it allows them to throw harder overall.
I’ve never seen a healthy pitcher, EVER, add 6mph to their fastball in 6-8 weeks simply from gaining strength. It happens due to fixing a major mechanical flaw, recovering from injury or working back into throwing shape after the offseason.
My point is that what Sheen attributes to steroids is probably just him regaining his motion and arm strength naturally. If steroids were really capable of that kind of addition in velocity, Roger Clemens wouldn’t have seen his velocity steadily dip as he grew older. It would have at least stayed the same, if not gone up, if this was true.
At the time when he allegedly started using steroids, Clemens was still throwing mid to high 90’s on a regular basis. Why didn’t he make the jump into a consistent triple-digit velocity. If it was as simple as taking steroids, EVERY pitcher would take them.
Look, Sheen was apparently a pretty decent player in high school and I don’t think he was more than maybe 26 or 27 when he filmed Major League, so if he had the potential at one point to throw hard, then I could see how he was able to put that kind of velocity onto his fastball in such a short time. Think about it. If you could add 6mph to any Major League pitcher, they’d all be entirely different.
There is a huge difference between 85 and 91 and 97. You know when you see that kind of jump in velocity normally? Between the first and second or third week of Spring Training when pitchers are still working themselves into shape. That’s all that Sheen did. [/quote]
I only read the first 2 and last 2 paragraphs of your post. I was under the impression you were in agreement with cuban32’s assessment of Bautista. Am I wrong?
In regards to adding velocity to a pitcher would you say it’s much easier to add MPH at lower speeds than at Major League type velocity? Is increasing your fastball from 85 to 91 exponentially more difficult than getting it to go from 79 to 85? The reason I consider it possible Sheen isn’t lying is because his end result was still a mediocre velocity by MLB standards.
I don’t disagree that he could be bullshitting for publicity, either it’s working since we’re talking about him heh.[/quote]
I could care less about Bautista. He plays on an irrelevant team in an irrelevant city. It would not surprise me if he was using HGH since it can help you track the ball much better and HGH in moderation, without using testable banned substances, won’t result in a huge size gain. But an increase in production of his magnitude isn’t evidence of anything other than an increase in production. It’s pointless to engage in this discussion unless there is some actual, credible evidence linking him to steroid use.
As for Sheen, yes, 85mph is well below the average Major League fastball. But Sheen is not an MLBer, so why Sheen is being held to MLB standards on your part makes zero sense. 85mph is still pretty hard at the non-professional level, especially for someone who doesn’t play competitively. The point is that if Sheen can pick up a baseball out of nowhere and go from 79 to 85mph in 6-8 weeks after having not played competitively since high school (meaning he hasn’t been playing OR practicing) that means he must have much more room to put more velocity on his fastball.
I have a friend who played in the minors for the Reds for a few seasons. He was a pitcher and threw right around 90mph. He retired after his wife got pregnant and it was clear he wasn’t moving out of A-ball anytime soon. To my knowledge, he doesn’t play at all anymore. He’s only 29, so I’m sure if he got back into shape he could get to 85mph pretty quickly. But that is because it does not represent the limit of his arm strength. His limit is 90. And he certainly isn’t going to be able to go from wherever he’s at now to his full potential in 6-8 weeks. Am I making sense here?
If I had to guess, I’d say his drug-addled mind got the movie wrong:
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