[quote]Sloth wrote:
Maybe we should just seperate. Divvy up the country. Friendly and non-violent like. [/quote]
But now we have a problem.
Religious people who favor creationism.
Religious people who favor evolution.
Atheist people who favor evolution.
Agnostic people who favor evolution.
Agnostic people who favor creationism…
…and so forth.
[quote]anonfactor wrote:
apbt55 wrote:
bpeloquin is exactly correct though, you just can’t refute him on your own created terms so you try to drag his argument down, it cannot be observed directly and therfore cannot be measured or assessed.
So positrons, quarks, black holes, etc. don’t exist according to you?
We cannot do controlled studies.
Don’t you have access to a site that has peer reviewed journals like BIOSERV?
My job is to develop and optimmize biological/chemical methods, have worked doing research for gov’t in recombinant genomics and proteomics. I have not seen any evidence that definitively supports evolution over creationism
So the similarity between the human and chimpanzee genome is just coincidence? ERVs? Fossils? Radiological dating? Plate tectonics?
they are both fatih driven are both beliefs and neither has any business being tought as a universal truth.
So the millions of separate pieces from all realms of science that are concurrent with the theory of evolution mean nothing? All accurate predictions based on the theory of evolution, just flukes?
hell we don’t even have one clear concise definition of what a species is.
A population of organisms in an area that can interbreed and produce fertile offspring. Just off the top of my head.
GOD and science should not be mixed, the whole idea of God is beyond understanding, how do you either support or refute something that is unmeasurable.
The theory of evolution has nothing to do with the existence of a deity or not.
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All the things you are listing are not conrete evidence supporting only one theory of speciation, they would also support a common design.
and anyone who uses astronomy to back up science I have no fatih in, these are all mathematical models. That change everyday, most using preset parameters or iterations that greatly impact the results of the model.
I do have access to peer reviewed journals, and like I said far stretch, some have even gone so far to try to use the presence of bukyballs on meteorites as eveidence,
I separate my science and my faith, all I am asking is for the same coutesy
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Maybe we should just seperate. Divvy up the country. Friendly and non-violent like.
But now we have a problem.
Religious people who favor creationism.
Religious people who favor evolution.
Atheist people who favor evolution.
Agnostic people who favor evolution.
Agnostic people who favor creationism…
…and so forth.[/quote]
I’d go with the religious country with an entirely private education system. The local religious communities that would spring up could, and would, develop their own schools. Doing it this way would probably be acceptable. Religious evolutionists and Religious Creationists would be satisfied with their child’s education.
I really think atheists and agnostics should get onboard with me here. No more of us crazies and our wild and crazy stuff. There’s not really a hint of fondness going on here, and I don’t see much of it in the real world either.
A mutual seperation would be brave, peaceful, and praiseworthy. It’s the right thing to do. Do it for yourselves, do it for your children. Don’t wait for the civil war.
Where is the creationist crowd?
It is the first time on this forum that evolution has clearly the advantage.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
I’d go with the religious country with an entirely private education system. The local religious communities that would spring up could, and would, develop their own schools.
Doing it this way would probably be acceptable. Religious evolutionists and Religious Creationists would be satisfied with their child’s education.
I really think atheists and agnostics should get onboard with me here. No more of us crazies and our wild and crazy stuff. There’s not really a hint of fondness going on here, and I don’t see much of it in the real world either. A mutual seperation would be brave, peaceful, and praiseworthy. It’s the right thing to do. Do it for yourselves, do it for your children. Don’t wait for the civil war.[/quote]
I’d go with country that ACTUALLY separates Church and State, removes lobby groups, stops the corruption from said lobbies, and let people teach creationism at HOME and in Sunday School.
It shouldn’t be a big deal to Creationists to have their child learn both if both are equally valid. The last thing anyone needs is another partitioned country, you’ll never see a PEACEFUL partition of any country.
Meh, one can still hope.
Would you go to this country???
http://www.expelledexposed.com/videos.php
Chris Comer: Expelled for Real
Christine Comer was the Director of Science for the Texas Education Agency for nine years, until she was forced to resign for failing to remain neutral on creationism.
And what did she do??? She was teaching Evolution in a science class.
Man you people live in a messed up country!
If you take into account male and female reproductive organs you can expand your thinking on evolution vs. creationism.
If evolution is the evolving of an organism or whatever into something different it must mean it was to evolve in each step to a better organism as additions such as ears,eyes,fingernails,reproductive organs, etc. would develop basically into what we are today.
All this basically formed over time basically from nothing. Ok…If we evolved and got different features over long periods of time how did evolution know what ingrediants it would take for humans to reproduce?
Your not talking about 1 miracle now as in the evolving of 1 human but your talking now about an evolving 2nd type of human as in the female. Are you saying something intelligent that created itself knew how to do this and figured out male and female reproductive parts before everything became extinct?
Your not just talking about humans but the whole animal kingdom have VERY similar looking reproductive parts. Evolution seems to have figured all this out and said to itself “ok we got reproductive figured out now lets make this happen with all similar looking parts for the whole animal kingdom”.
Evolution could have done reproduction many ways but it happens almost all the same in every animal. Thats a very smart evolution. It figured out males and females and what it took to reproduce. Thats just the start of everything complicated thats left to discuss. I dont buy evolution whatsoever as everything its about agreed with itself and evolved all animals with the same looking and the same acting reproductive parts.
I believe we were created by an eternal creator who resides outside of time who got it right the first time. I dont believe Life came from no life, Intelligence came from non-intelligence, cause came from no cause and meaning came from no meaning.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
you’ll never see a PEACEFUL partition of any country.[/quote]
Czechoslovakia?
[quote]Otep wrote:
Makavali wrote:
you’ll never see a PEACEFUL partition of any country.
Czechoslovakia?[/quote]
Ooh, well played. But come on now, do you think America will really divide itself peacefully?
[quote]Chuck24 wrote:
If you take into account male and female reproductive organs you can expand your thinking on evolution vs. creationism.
If evolution is the evolving of an organism or whatever into something different it must mean it was to evolve in each step to a better organism as additions such as ears,eyes,fingernails,reproductive organs, etc. would develop basically into what we are today.
All this basically formed over time basically from nothing. Ok…If we evolved and got different features over long periods of time how did evolution know what ingrediants it would take for humans to reproduce?
Your not talking about 1 miracle now as in the evolving of 1 human but your talking now about an evolving 2nd type of human as in the female. Are you saying something intelligent that created itself knew how to do this and figured out male and female reproductive parts before everything became extinct?
Your not just talking about humans but the whole animal kingdom have VERY similar looking reproductive parts. Evolution seems to have figured all this out and said to itself “ok we got reproductive figured out now lets make this happen with all similar looking parts for the whole animal kingdom”.
Evolution could have done reproduction many ways but it happens almost all the same in every animal. Thats a very smart evolution. It figured out males and females and what it took to reproduce. Thats just the start of everything complicated thats left to discuss. I dont buy evolution whatsoever as everything its about agreed with itself and evolved all animals with the same looking and the same acting reproductive parts.
I believe we were created by an eternal creator who resides outside of time who got it right the first time. I dont believe Life came from no life, Intelligence came from non-intelligence, cause came from no cause and meaning came from no meaning.
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so basically you dont believe in evolution because i have a penis??? wtf seriosuly worst argument ever, not to mention the fact that there are a variety of ways reproduction occurs if we take into acount organisms other than humans.
[quote]Chuck24 wrote:
If you take into account male and female reproductive organs you can expand your thinking on evolution vs. creationism.
If evolution is the evolving of an organism or whatever into something different it must mean it was to evolve in each step to a better organism as additions such as ears,eyes,fingernails,reproductive organs, etc. would develop basically into what we are today.
All this basically formed over time basically from nothing. Ok…If we evolved and got different features over long periods of time how did evolution know what ingrediants it would take for humans to reproduce?
Your not talking about 1 miracle now as in the evolving of 1 human but your talking now about an evolving 2nd type of human as in the female. Are you saying something intelligent that created itself knew how to do this and figured out male and female reproductive parts before everything became extinct?
Your not just talking about humans but the whole animal kingdom have VERY similar looking reproductive parts. Evolution seems to have figured all this out and said to itself “ok we got reproductive figured out now lets make this happen with all similar looking parts for the whole animal kingdom”.
Evolution could have done reproduction many ways but it happens almost all the same in every animal. Thats a very smart evolution. It figured out males and females and what it took to reproduce. Thats just the start of everything complicated thats left to discuss. I dont buy evolution whatsoever as everything its about agreed with itself and evolved all animals with the same looking and the same acting reproductive parts.
I believe we were created by an eternal creator who resides outside of time who got it right the first time. I dont believe Life came from no life, Intelligence came from non-intelligence, cause came from no cause and meaning came from no meaning.
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Guys he’s right. Asexual reproduction is a myth.
[quote]Chuck24 wrote:
If you take into account male and female reproductive organs you can expand your thinking on evolution vs. creationism.
If evolution is the evolving of an organism or whatever into something different it must mean it was to evolve in each step to a better organism as additions such as ears,eyes,fingernails,reproductive organs, etc. would develop basically into what we are today.
All this basically formed over time basically from nothing. Ok…If we evolved and got different features over long periods of time how did evolution know what ingrediants it would take for humans to reproduce?
Your not talking about 1 miracle now as in the evolving of 1 human but your talking now about an evolving 2nd type of human as in the female. Are you saying something intelligent that created itself knew how to do this and figured out male and female reproductive parts before everything became extinct?
Your not just talking about humans but the whole animal kingdom have VERY similar looking reproductive parts. Evolution seems to have figured all this out and said to itself “ok we got reproductive figured out now lets make this happen with all similar looking parts for the whole animal kingdom”.
Evolution could have done reproduction many ways but it happens almost all the same in every animal. Thats a very smart evolution. It figured out males and females and what it took to reproduce. Thats just the start of everything complicated thats left to discuss. I dont buy evolution whatsoever as everything its about agreed with itself and evolved all animals with the same looking and the same acting reproductive parts.
I believe we were created by an eternal creator who resides outside of time who got it right the first time. I dont believe Life came from no life, Intelligence came from non-intelligence, cause came from no cause and meaning came from no meaning.
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Anyone ever see that commercial for aflac insurance with Yogi Berra?? Yeah, I gotta twitch now.
So… American culture is NOT culturally successful because people across the world adopt it DESPITE the fact that it hurts their health and makes them look stupid (McDonalds and Gangbanging, respectively). Interesting.
We should create a small country of weightlifters. We will worship all things iron, praying daily with barbells and clanging plates. Crimes will be punished with a long steady state cardio and being restricted to pink dumbells. Curls in the squat rack will be punishable by death.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Otep wrote:
Makavali wrote:
you’ll never see a PEACEFUL partition of any country.
Czechoslovakia?
Ooh, well played. But come on now, do you think America will really divide itself peacefully?[/quote]
Well, we tried the violent route, and the South lost, so I don’t think we have much choice.
[quote]trav123456 wrote:
and being restricted to pink dumbells.[/quote]
I’d prefer death to be honest.
[quote]lokidj wrote:
Would you go to this country???
http://www.expelledexposed.com/videos.php
Chris Comer: Expelled for Real
Christine Comer was the Director of Science for the Texas Education Agency for nine years, until she was forced to resign for failing to remain neutral on creationism.
And what did she do??? She was teaching Evolution in a science class.
Man you people live in a messed up country![/quote]
I appreciate how you just referred to Texas as a country. Thank you.
[quote]apbt55 wrote:
anonfactor wrote:
apbt55 wrote:
All the things you are listing are not conrete evidence supporting only one theory of speciation, they would also support a common design.[/quote]
Alright, what would be evidence for the theory of evolution that would not support “common design” and vice versa? What are the predictions of “common design”?
My comments were referring to the issue of whether you could measure or assess that which is not directly observable, but your reply reflects a deeper conflict. If you don’t accept astronomy (or chemistry or physics apparently) as a valid realm of science, what fields do you accept as science? Geology? Genetics? Paleontology?
Also, it should be noted that magnetic monopoles, predicted by Maxwell’s equations and required in string theory, were just confirmed to exist on the 4th, so pretending that these “mathematical models” are constructed on the predilections of their makers and have no basis on reality would be foolishness.
But you missed the ones on the Nylon Bug, E. coli long-term evolution experiment, speciation of lizards, etc.
Again, the theory of evolution (and science as a whole) has nothing to do with whether or not a deity exists.
One should regard the question of the creation of matter. For all of which, Charles Darwin does have proof of being correct, however, proof of such history is irrelevant, the existance of the Earth is also irrelevant without true understanding of the creation of matter.
I kindly suggest all of you to stop bickering, and, realize how insignificant we are when we cannot even understand how existence came into existence, sad isn’t it?