Chargers vs. Pats ?

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
sasquatch wrote:
You think he might be a top 10-(OR SO)- qb right now!!!? You think that he and Rivers are pretty much equal!!!? That’s so idiotic, I just can’t comment further.

Rivers: 92.0 QB rating is 8th in the league

Brady: QB qb rating is 9th in the league.

They are both top 10 QB’s for the 2006 season. And they are pretty much equal.

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Yah, that’s the real measure of a qb.

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Didn’t Marty win more games this year than Bill? Does that make him a better coach–this year??

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
rainjack wrote:
sasquatch wrote:
You think he might be a top 10-(OR SO)- qb right now!!!? You think that he and Rivers are pretty much equal!!!? That’s so idiotic, I just can’t comment further.

Rivers: 92.0 QB rating is 8th in the league

Brady: QB qb rating is 9th in the league.

They are both top 10 QB’s for the 2006 season. And they are pretty much equal.

I think Brady, Rivers, Pennington, McNair, Palmer, Peyton Manning, McNabb, Brees, Hasselbeck, Bulger, etc all would have won 2 or 3 Super Bowls if they would have been the QB in NE during their Super Bowl run.

Or if you say, no way, Rivers was too young back then please feel free to substitute Kurt Warner as he was playing very well back then.

I think football is a team effort. I think they are all fine quarterbacks. I believe in giving credit where it is due.

NE has had excellent coaching, incredible defense, great offensive line play, the best kicker in the history of the post season and fine qb play.

If you want to suck Brady’s dick and pretend he is superhuman or something you can go right ahead. You sound like you get your inspired football analysis from the TV announcers instead of thinking about it yourself.

QB’s are the product of their talent, the coaching and team play. Look at Favre, his physical skills haven’t slipped that much and he has gone from great to bad. Stick him in NE and he could win another Super Bowl.[/quote]

You’re right, my analysis comes from TV announcers. Good one. Nice deflect from what might be the dumbest football statement I’ve heard in some time. Equating a first year starting qb to a 3 time Super Bowl and MVP winner. Really, according to your analysis any qb could qb SD because of all that surrounds him. Nonsense. Rivers has been good this year. When he does if for 10 years and wins Super Bowls we can continue this discussion.

And seeing as you brought his name up. Kurt Warner. Another ‘great’ qb—yah, for about 3 years. Back then the announcers were calling him the best ever to play. Funny stuff.

And now we’ve thrown McNair, Palmer, Pennington and Bulger into the equation. I’m sure RJ can find some really meaningful statistics somewhere to help your cause with this one. Well, at least McNair has played in a meaningful game at some point in his career.

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I wouldn’t consider it sucking his dick to state my opinion that he is better than Rivers. I never said he was the best all time qb ever. Though he is up there with the few special ones if you ask me. Of course, in your estimation, that would also mean Rivers, Pennington, Bulger, and Palmer would also be amongst the best.

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[quote]sasquatch wrote:
rainjack wrote:
sasquatch wrote:
You think he might be a top 10-(OR SO)- qb right now!!!? You think that he and Rivers are pretty much equal!!!? That’s so idiotic, I just can’t comment further.

Rivers: 92.0 QB rating is 8th in the league

Brady: QB qb rating is 9th in the league.

They are both top 10 QB’s for the 2006 season. And they are pretty much equal.

Yah, that’s the real measure of a qb.

Edit

Didn’t Marty win more games this year than Bill? Does that make him a better coach–this year??[/quote]

I’m sorry - I can’t understand you with your pom-poms waving around like that.

No one said Rivers was better than Brady.

Try to pay attention. You said that they were not even close. The stats say you are full of shit for the 2006 season.

I am sure in your subjective, cheerleader world facts just get in the way.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
sasquatch wrote:
rainjack wrote:
sasquatch wrote:
You think he might be a top 10-(OR SO)- qb right now!!!? You think that he and Rivers are pretty much equal!!!? That’s so idiotic, I just can’t comment further.

Rivers: 92.0 QB rating is 8th in the league

Brady: QB qb rating is 9th in the league.

They are both top 10 QB’s for the 2006 season. And they are pretty much equal.

Yah, that’s the real measure of a qb.

Edit

Didn’t Marty win more games this year than Bill? Does that make him a better coach–this year??

I’m sorry - I can’t understand you with your pom-poms waving around like that.

No one said Rivers was better than Brady.

Try to pay attention. You said that they were not even close. The stats say you are full of shit for the 2006 season.

I am sure in your subjective, cheerleader world facts just get in the way.

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Nice argument. Now try and pay attention. My argument never centered around whether Rivers was better, that’s not even debatable. The qb rating is but one statistic in a given time period. I compared their bodies of work as well.

Shove your pom-poN waving bullshit up your ass. There is a difference you know. Sorry I don’t agree with the great RJ behind the curtain, but quite frankly, your opinion means as much as mine. Nothing more. Nothing less.

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[quote]sasquatch wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
rainjack wrote:
sasquatch wrote:
You think he might be a top 10-(OR SO)- qb right now!!!? You think that he and Rivers are pretty much equal!!!? That’s so idiotic, I just can’t comment further.

Rivers: 92.0 QB rating is 8th in the league

Brady: QB qb rating is 9th in the league.

They are both top 10 QB’s for the 2006 season. And they are pretty much equal.

I think Brady, Rivers, Pennington, McNair, Palmer, Peyton Manning, McNabb, Brees, Hasselbeck, Bulger, etc all would have won 2 or 3 Super Bowls if they would have been the QB in NE during their Super Bowl run.

Or if you say, no way, Rivers was too young back then please feel free to substitute Kurt Warner as he was playing very well back then.

I think football is a team effort. I think they are all fine quarterbacks. I believe in giving credit where it is due.

NE has had excellent coaching, incredible defense, great offensive line play, the best kicker in the history of the post season and fine qb play.

If you want to suck Brady’s dick and pretend he is superhuman or something you can go right ahead. You sound like you get your inspired football analysis from the TV announcers instead of thinking about it yourself.

QB’s are the product of their talent, the coaching and team play. Look at Favre, his physical skills haven’t slipped that much and he has gone from great to bad. Stick him in NE and he could win another Super Bowl.

You’re right, my analysis comes from TV announcers. Good one. Nice deflect from what might be the dumbest football statement I’ve heard in some time. Equating a first year starting qb to a 3 time Super Bowl and MVP winner. Really, according to your analysis any qb could qb SD because of all that surrounds him. Nonsense. Rivers has been good this year. When he does if for 10 years and wins Super Bowls we can continue this discussion.

And seeing as you brought his name up. Kurt Warner. Another ‘great’ qb—yah, for about 3 years. Back then the announcers were calling him the best ever to play. Funny stuff.

And now we’ve thrown McNair, Palmer, Pennington and Bulger into the equation. I’m sure RJ can find some really meaningful statistics somewhere to help your cause with this one. Well, at least McNair has played in a meaningful game at some point in his career.[/quote]

So you think Brady is better than all of them? You think he would win 3 SB’s with the mediocre teams that some of them play for and they would not win any with the Pat’s of a few years ago?

Honestly I don’t understand your point. Do you believe Brady is superhuman and carried NE to those wins or do you think he played his role well and an outstanding defense, great play calling and the most clutch kicker ever(as well as some beneficial officiating) got NE those wins?

I mean seriously, Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl and he is not a great qb, I would say he was substandard. Brady is better than Dilfer.

Winning the SB (or even multiple ones) does not make someone a great QB.

Brady is a fine QB. He will go to the hall of fame because he is the face of a team that won 3 Super Bowls but don’t pretend he would have nearly the success or statistics if he played for a lesser team.

He is a top ten qb. There are probably back ups that have not gotten their chance that are as good as the guys I listed as my off the cuff top ten.

The only one of that group I truly see as special is Peyton Manning and that is because of the way he completely runs his offense.

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Zap, Sasquatch, Rainjack:

Sorry to interrupt a classic debate but who are you guys picking unless I missed it then sorry?  I took SD by 3.
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[quote]sasquatch wrote:
Nice argument. Now try and pay attention. My argument never centered around whether Rivers was better, that’s not even debatable. The qb rating is but one statistic in a given time period. I compared their bodies of work as well.[/quote]

I jumped in when you said this:

I made one google search, and found that Zap’s statements were indeed backed up what ESPN said.

Then you proceeded to make a straw man about the coaches.

Your subjective rah-rahing is laughable.

[quote]Shove your pom-poN waving bullshit up your ass. There is a difference you know. Sorry I don’t agree with the great RJ behind the curtain, but quite frankly, your opinion means as much as mine. Nothing more. Nothing less.
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I never stated my opinion wrt Brady-Rivers. I stated fact. Since when are the facts bullshit? Oh that’s right - it’s bullshit when you are too busy at cheerleader practice to look at facts.

As for who is the best - Brady isn’t fit to hold Troy’s, or Roger’s dirty jock straps. Everyone knows that Cowboys trump Patriots.

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[quote]deputydawg wrote:
Zap, Sasquatch, Rainjack:

Sorry to interrupt a classic debate but who are you guys picking unless I missed it then sorry?  I took SD by 3.[/quote]

I want SD to win. I hate the Patriots. But history says that Shottenheimer (sp?) will choke and SD will go home early.

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[quote]deputydawg wrote:
Zap, Sasquatch, Rainjack:

Sorry to interrupt a classic debate but who are you guys picking unless I missed it then sorry?  I took SD by 3.[/quote]

Tough game to pick a winner. If I were a betting man though, I’d take NE getting the 5.

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The Patriots know how to win, and they will find a way to beat the Chargers. The combination of Belichek and Brady, is a formidable one, and when the chips are down, they will prevail.

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[quote]deputydawg wrote:
Zap, Sasquatch, Rainjack:

Sorry to interrupt a classic debate but who are you guys picking unless I missed it then sorry?  I took SD by 3.[/quote]

SD in a close one. I am getting excited about this game.

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Both of this weekend’s AFC matchups look excellent on paper, and one could make strong cases for both road teams (IND, NE) springing the upset.

But then again, we see this every year as the wildcard round winners get their full week of ESPN coverage. And then the top seeds come off of their byes and the playoffs really begin.

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[quote]mikek wrote:
The spread is 4.5 pts in the chargers favor, give 3 to the home team and that is pretty close to a pickem. So even the odds makers think this will be close…go pats[/quote]

Actually, what is significant is that the line has stayed at 4.5 pts despite public money all over NE. This generally indicates sharp (professional bettors’) money on SD. Why?

Well, oddsmakers don’t set a betting line to predict final scores. Their [u]sole[/u] objective is to get equal wagering on both sides of a line; equal action means a guaranteed profit (from the losing wagers’ commission) regardless of outcome.

(This commission/juice/vig is why you lay $110 to win $100 at the counter in Vegas. And why you have to pick winners at better than 52.8% in order to show a profit.)

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DD:

Like I said at the beginning…I HAVE NOT IDEA who will win, BUT…

Bellichek is a “Field General” in the Ghanghas Khan sense. He will overwhelm whatever your strengths are; exploit your weaknesses…

Search, destroy, scorch and burn…

He is the “key”…

Mufasa

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Oh…

…And BORE YOU TO DAMN DEATH at post-game interviews!

Mufasa

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Didn’t the Pats go into a certain away game several years back and beat a team that was 16-1 (Pittsburg to include a playoff win) at the time, who also had a rookie QB (Big Ben) & a top rated defense? And what was the outcome of that? I know that SD did whatever they wanted to do against NE the last time they played in the regular season, but this is the playoffs. All bets are off!!!

GO PATS!!!

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And since we’re throwing numbers around: The Chargers’ offense ranked first in the NFL in red-zone offense (42 TDs in 62 possessions), while the Patriots’ defense ranked second in fewest touchdowns allowed (12 in 35 trips). The Patriots’ red-zone offense ranked fifth in the NFL, while the Chargers’ red-zone defense ranked 29th!!

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[quote]chillain wrote:
mikek wrote:
The spread is 4.5 pts in the chargers favor, give 3 to the home team and that is pretty close to a pickem. So even the odds makers think this will be close…go pats

Actually, what is significant is that the line has stayed at 4.5 pts despite public money all over NE. This generally indicates sharp (professional bettors’) money on SD. Why?

Well, oddsmakers don’t set a betting line to predict final scores. Their [u]sole[/u] objective is to get equal wagering on both sides of a line; equal action means a guaranteed profit (from the losing wagers’ commission) regardless of outcome.

(This commission/juice/vig is why you lay $110 to win $100 at the counter in Vegas. And why you have to pick winners at better than 52.8% in order to show a profit.)

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The line opened at 6. Sharps have been on the Chargers since the start but many many smaller bettors took the Pats. The line went down to 5 and then 4.5.

You can see the discussion here is mostly people favoring the Pats and mostly spouting information that is well known by every football fan and certainly by the linemakers, who are not idiots. While that certainly doesnt mean the Pats wont win, I would be careful about betting them in this game.

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I don’t think we are rolling thru this game by any means. I think that it is going to be a hard fought close game in the end. I just hope the Pats come out on top!

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:

So you think Brady is better than all of them? You think he would win 3 SB’s with the mediocre teams that some of them play for and they would not win any with the Pat’s of a few years ago?
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Tom Brady is the best quarterback in the game, and his being left off the Pro Bowl roster is a joke. You think he’s maybe one of the top ten?! With people like Chad Pennington?! I’ve been watching Pennington play every year, as a Pats fan, and he never scares me. He’s a good, solid QB. Someone like him isn’t even in Tom Brady’s league.

If you’d watched the Pats play more than maybe once this season you’d realize their receivers are terrible. Their number one is fucking Reche Caldwell, a guy who was a decent third receiver for the Chargers last year. Watch his eyes sometime during a game.

Brady has two solid tight ends who drop the ball more than they should, a good running back pair, and awful wide receivers. His line is very solid, but no more so than a half dozen others in football. He probably has the worst offensive supporting cast of any of the eight QBs left in the playoffs.

And examine who he’s had with him the rest of his career. They’ve been solid, but not spectacular or even great.

Beneficial officiating? What a joke. Unless you’re talking solely about the Tuck Rule, which was one game. And nobody benefits more from the officiating than the Colts. They changed the fucking rules to accomodate them!

On the contrary, he’d probably have better statistics with a whole bunch of lesser teams. Remember Jeff George having an unreal season for Oakland when they went 4-12 six or seven years back? Bad teams throw a lot to catch up. Look at Jon Kitna’s yardage.

He is a top ten qb. There are probably back ups that have not gotten their chance that are as good as the guys I listed as my off the cuff top ten.

The only one of that group I truly see as special is Peyton Manning and that is because of the way he completely runs his offense.[/quote]

Do you watch the playoffs once in awhile? Brady’s clutch play WHEN IT COUNTS is worth far more than Manning’s meaningless records.

And whoever tried to make the comparison using QB ratings doesn’t know much about football. QB rating is mostly a stupid stat, it rewards guys who are dink and dunk passers and make safe throws with a high completion percentage. It’s by no means a great measure of a quarterback.