[quote]Waittz wrote:
Again, not trying to be a dick, but you asked so i did. I cant believe that you would think eating and gaining to that point actually helped you add extra muscle. [/quote]
I do think that…because I kept gaining because I was gaining muscle.
That is why I posted that pic of me at almost 290 which is more representative of how I looked most of the time.
I already told you my goal was to make that fat pic look bad…which is why I ate a huge fucking meal right before taking it.
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Could you show me which pic I look like I don’t even lift?
Could you show me the pics of you looking like you do?
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That last one is my after my last bulk. This is me prior. Please tell me how i look like i do not lift. [/quote]
Why would I tell you that?
That would be as ridiculous as acting like I look like I don’t lift just because I took a fat pic.[/quote]
You dont. Again not being rude. But you look like alot of the large humans I know. You now look like you lift. I have known you on this site since you invited me to the BOI years back. Now you look like you lift. This is probably the best I have seen you look ever. Why? Becasue you are leaner. [/quote]
Dude, you can have as many opinions as you please…but anyone seeing me at that size and ONLY focusing on the fat and ignoring the muscle shows that you aren’t as experienced as you might think.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Could you show me which pic I look like I don’t even lift?
Could you show me the pics of you looking like you do?
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I look like I don’t lift in that pic?
You serious?[/quote]
Yes. Just look like a big human. [/quote]
Then I would never trust your eye for judging things like that.
I was 285lbs in that pic with arms over 20". While carrying more fat, I am sure most people in most gyms who lift seriously could tell I worked out seriously.
No one has a neck over 21" and traps like that without lifting.[/quote]
This is my entire point. Being muscular is different than being big. You look big in that picture. Now you look muscular. I still dont understand. My original post was to applaud some of the members on here who always took the bulk at all cost approach who are now leaning out.
You are now leaning out. What am I missing? Because I used ‘short man’ numeric lbs for example? Ok remove that. What is wrong with my message?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Could you show me which pic I look like I don’t even lift?
Could you show me the pics of you looking like you do?
[/quote]
That last one is my after my last bulk. This is me prior. Please tell me how i look like i do not lift. [/quote]
Why would I tell you that?
That would be as ridiculous as acting like I look like I don’t lift just because I took a fat pic.[/quote]
You dont. Again not being rude. But you look like alot of the large humans I know. You now look like you lift. I have known you on this site since you invited me to the BOI years back. Now you look like you lift. This is probably the best I have seen you look ever. Why? Becasue you are leaner. [/quote]
Dude, you can have as many opinions as you please…but anyone seeing me at that size and ONLY focusing on the fat and ignoring the muscle shows that you aren’t as experienced as you might think.[/quote]
You cant SEE the muscle.
[quote]Waittz wrote:
This is my entire point. Being muscular is different than being big. You look big in that picture. Now you look muscular. I still dont understand. My original post was to applaud some of the members on here who always took the bulk at all cost approach who are now leaning out.
You are now leaning out. What am I missing? Because I used ‘short man’ numeric lbs for example? Ok remove that. What is wrong with my message? [/quote]
You said “changing of the guard”. If I have been dropping weight for two years, what changing of the guard is there?
We all have a goal of looking good in whatever way we think that is. I just knew that to get as big as I wanted to get, I needed to add that muscle first.
That isn’t a changing of the guard because someone diets down.
I have dropped weight several times over the years and then went back to gaining.
That is how you get as big as I was trying to get.
[quote]Waittz wrote:
You cant SEE the muscle. [/quote]
In that one picture?
Are you serious with this? There are too many pictures of me for you to look at any one picture and assume there is no muscle there.
Was I fat? Yeah, I was carrying more fat.
Most people can still see the size of my chest, shoulders and traps which by no means look like someone untrained.
You sound like some of those guys on Muscle and Fitness who can’t seem to see muscle at all unless someone is under 10% body fat.
Also about the whole limits etc. When I graduated HS, and went to college, joined this site( 04 ) I had a wrestling background and lifting in HS. I was 145 at the same height arguably done with puberty. Almost a decade later i have gotten my weight up past 200 morning weight twice. I have Deadlifted 495 at a bodyweight of 170, Bench pressed 315 at 180. I cut to single digits. I bulked slow, I bulked fast. I trained in PL with powerlifters for a year.
I now train like a bodybuilder with competitive bodybuilders, some natural, some assisted, btw those were the guys who stopped letting me “Bulk”.
I am short yes, but I am pretty experienced my friend. Even for a young pup.
[quote]Waittz wrote:
Also about the whole limits etc. When I graduated HS, and went to college, joined this site( 04 ) I had a wrestling background and lifting in HS. I was 145 at the same height arguably done with puberty. Almost a decade later i have gotten my weight up past 200 morning weight twice. I have Deadlifted 495 at a bodyweight of 170, Bench pressed 315 at 180. I cut to single digits. I bulked slow, I bulked fast. I trained in PL with powerlifters for a year. I now train like a bodybuilder with competitive bodybuilders, some natural, some assisted, btw those were the guys who stopped letting me “Bulk”.
I am short yes, but I am pretty experienced my friend. Even for a young pup. [/quote]
What does this have to do with anything?
It doesn’t matter if you bulked up. It matters if you bulked up and had the genetics to do something with it.
Get it?
The goal was never to add some body fat or “bulk fast”. It was to gain muscle as fast as possible.
I wouldn’t have been damn near 290lbs if the muscle wasn’t coming with it.
You don’t seem to have the genes to get anywhere near that big which is why YOU shouldn’t add a bunch of weight for no reason.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
Also about the whole limits etc. When I graduated HS, and went to college, joined this site( 04 ) I had a wrestling background and lifting in HS. I was 145 at the same height arguably done with puberty. Almost a decade later i have gotten my weight up past 200 morning weight twice. I have Deadlifted 495 at a bodyweight of 170, Bench pressed 315 at 180. I cut to single digits. I bulked slow, I bulked fast. I trained in PL with powerlifters for a year. I now train like a bodybuilder with competitive bodybuilders, some natural, some assisted, btw those were the guys who stopped letting me “Bulk”.
I am short yes, but I am pretty experienced my friend. Even for a young pup. [/quote]
What does this have to do with anything?
It doesn’t matter if you bulked up. It matters if you bulked up and had the genetics to do something with it.
Get it?
The goal was never to add some body fat or “bulk fast”. It was to gain muscle as fast as possible.
I wouldn’t have been damn near 290lbs if the muscle wasn’t coming with it.
You don’t seem to have the genes to get anywhere near that big which is why YOU shouldn’t add a bunch of weight for no reason.[/quote]
Did’t know you had the ability to look into my DNA.
[quote]Waittz wrote:
Did’t know you had the ability to look into my DNA. [/quote]
Don’t have to. I am looking at your progress.
Someone with better genetics would hopefully make more progress in that time frame unless something was off with their food intake.
That isn’t degrading you. You just aren’t the guy with the genes to get that big…which may be why you think adding more weight is pointless for all when it isn’t.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
Did’t know you had the ability to look into my DNA. [/quote]
Don’t have to. I am looking at your progress.
Someone with better genetics would hopefully make more progress in that time frame unless something was off with their food intake.
That isn’t degrading you. You just aren’t the guy with the genes to get that big…which may be why you think adding more weight is pointless for all when it isn’t.[/quote]
I do not agree. My goal in college and most of my lifting career was PL. I had a 2.9X BW deadlift raw. I never chased size until after college. I have been training for ‘muscularity’ and aesthetics for 8 months after not seriosuly working out for almost 2 years and Mr. No Limits is ready to put a limit on me because I dont want to cheeseburger my way to 220 lbs?
EDIT- also how can you be looking at my progress without a before picture?
[quote]Waittz wrote:
I do not agree. My goal in college and most of my lifting career was PL. I had a 2.9X BW deadlift raw. I never chased size until after college. I have been training for ‘muscularity’ and aesthetics for 8 months after not seriosuly working out for almost 2 years and Mr. No Limits is ready to put a limit on me because I dont want to cheeseburger my way to 220 lbs? [/quote]
No one cares what your strength level is. There are many strong guys with genetics that straight up suck for building a lot of muscle mass.
You are not a big guy. You look like you lift, but you do not look like you have the genes to get really big. That is what it is.
After a little over two years of lifting, I looked like I did in that pic of me kneeling in my parent’s backyard and had arms over 18".
That is why you see me mention that as a bench mark.
Someone who can build arms that big in relatively short time likely has good genetics for bodybuilding.
You are no Mad Titan.
[quote]Waittz wrote:
EDIT- also how can you be looking at my progress without a before picture?[/quote]
Why would I need a before pic?
I looked like a twig in my before picture which means I gained more muscle than most people here. I am looking at how big you have gotten in the time frame you have been lifting.
I would expect someone with better genetics to be showing more muscle than that being built in that time frame.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
I do not agree. My goal in college and most of my lifting career was PL. I had a 2.9X BW deadlift raw. I never chased size until after college. I have been training for ‘muscularity’ and aesthetics for 8 months after not seriosuly working out for almost 2 years and Mr. No Limits is ready to put a limit on me because I dont want to cheeseburger my way to 220 lbs? [/quote]
No one cares what your strength level is. There are many strong guys with genetics that straight up suck for building a lot of muscle mass.
You are not a big guy. You look like you lift, but you do not look like you have the genes to get really big. That is what it is.
After a little over two years of lifting, I looked like I did in that pic of me kneeling in my parent’s backyard and had arms over 18".
That is why you see me mention that as a bench mark.
Someone who can build arms that big in relatively short time likely has good genetics for bodybuilding.
You are no Mad Titan.[/quote]
WTF happened to no limits? Where is your scientific study saying he can’t? Good lord, you’ve just become a troll, and not even a clever one.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
I do not agree. My goal in college and most of my lifting career was PL. I had a 2.9X BW deadlift raw. I never chased size until after college. I have been training for ‘muscularity’ and aesthetics for 8 months after not seriosuly working out for almost 2 years and Mr. No Limits is ready to put a limit on me because I dont want to cheeseburger my way to 220 lbs? [/quote]
No one cares what your strength level is. There are many strong guys with genetics that straight up suck for building a lot of muscle mass.
You are not a big guy. You look like you lift, but you do not look like you have the genes to get really big. That is what it is.
After a little over two years of lifting, I looked like I did in that pic of me kneeling in my parent’s backyard and had arms over 18".
That is why you see me mention that as a bench mark.
Someone who can build arms that big in relatively short time likely has good genetics for bodybuilding.
You are no Mad Titan.[/quote]
Do I get under your skin that much? You realize my only reason for engaging you is to expose your hypocracy? You just start a thread bashing those who put limits yet you are quick to asign a limit to me?
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
I do not agree. My goal in college and most of my lifting career was PL. I had a 2.9X BW deadlift raw. I never chased size until after college. I have been training for ‘muscularity’ and aesthetics for 8 months after not seriosuly working out for almost 2 years and Mr. No Limits is ready to put a limit on me because I dont want to cheeseburger my way to 220 lbs? [/quote]
No one cares what your strength level is. There are many strong guys with genetics that straight up suck for building a lot of muscle mass.
You are not a big guy. You look like you lift, but you do not look like you have the genes to get really big. That is what it is.
After a little over two years of lifting, I looked like I did in that pic of me kneeling in my parent’s backyard and had arms over 18".
That is why you see me mention that as a bench mark.
Someone who can build arms that big in relatively short time likely has good genetics for bodybuilding.
You are no Mad Titan.[/quote]
WTF happened to no limits? Where is your scientific study saying he can’t? Good lord, you’ve just become a troll, and not even a clever one.[/quote]
This was my only intent on engaging with him. But I forgot, I am no Mad Titan.
BTW, I remember Mad Titan from back in like the 2000’s from the Men’s Health message board way before this place. Used to go on there when I was young and he posted about wanting to do a cover contest. He was very nice and helpful. X you are just a clown.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
WTF happened to no limits? Where is your scientific study saying he can’t? Good lord, you’ve just become a troll, and not even a clever one.[/quote]
No one has ever said there are no limits. It was said you can’t look at “natural bodybuilding” and assume that represents what all humans can do.
Quote me correctly.
[quote]Waittz wrote:
Do I get under your skin that much?[/quote]
You didn’t at all.
Why?
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You realize my only reason for engaging you is to expose your hypocracy? You just start a thread bashing those who put limits yet you are quick to asign a limit to me? [/quote]
What hypocrisy? I never had any stance that no one should diet down so what hypocrisy?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
WTF happened to no limits? Where is your scientific study saying he can’t? Good lord, you’ve just become a troll, and not even a clever one.[/quote]
No one has ever said there are no limits. It was said you can’t look at “natural bodybuilding” and assume that represents what all humans can do.
Quote me correctly.[/quote]
No, you said you can’t tell someone they can’t do something. Specifically put on massive amounts of muscle. You don’t get why that makes what you just said retarded? Troll.
[quote]Waittz wrote:
This was my only intent on engaging with him. But I forgot, I am no Mad Titan.[/quote]
You aren’t. You are no Steely D either or Bauer or anyone else who is really big on this site.
You are yourself…so you do what YOU need to do and stop making it seem like YOUR new way of doing things is now everyone’s way.
You don’t want to get that big. Great.
Some of us do.
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BTW, I remember Mad Titan from back in like the 2000’s from the Men’s Health message board way before this place. Used to go on there when I was young and he posted about wanting to do a cover contest. He was very nice and helpful. X you are just a clown. [/quote]
I was friends with him. Your opinion lost credit when you claimed you can’t see muscle on people and only seem to see the fat.