Changes to the Steroid Forum

Pharma / TRT
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To be perfectly honest, I think things are great the way it is. Sure, there’s a lot of bullshit out there right now with all the repeated questions and whatnot, but there’s also a damned good bit of info, esp. regarding how certain cycles/compounds affect various people, an example being ToneBone, Cortes, and myself. Tone gets gyno from very little test, Cortes blasts through a 12 weeker with almost non-existent sides, and I love a test and tren based 8 weeker. Just good comparisons for the new guys to prove different ideas work differently in everybody.

As far as the bullshit goes, some of it is ridiculous, but some not so bad. Let’s take jake’s original thread when he was going to use a gram and a half a week without proper PCT. Check it out now and you’ll notice his cycle will be on spot for a beginner with proper ancillaries and PCT. Let’s say people had ignored his original idiocy, he could be dealing with some very serious side effects right now. Sure, he got his ass flamed good, but at the same time, various people made a very genuine effort to help him out…

Ultimately, I think it should stay the same except for one thing-- certain threads need to be stickied, however I won’t mention which ones because I’m not openly announcing favorites. Just think about it though, which threads provide a plethora of information?

World

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Just ban ‘oral only, dbol only’ from thread titles and most of the problems are solved.

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I must agree that the previous thread that was made regarding source info came back to bite most of us in the ass as it didnt turn out quite the way it should of.

With ORD it is completely appropriate to not post source information for steroids or raw powder info. However I wish we could change the fact that we can now no longer provide info regarding research chems or the names of UG labs. Giving the ability to post this info again would allow people to know the good and bad of whats out there.

Currently we are no longer able to provide this info. There seems to be a drastic difference in the quality from one company to another.

I would also like to stay as far away from the bro board mentality as possible. What we could definately use is some moderation from possibly a current member appointed by the members here.

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[quote]Schwarzenegger wrote:
rainjack wrote:
All we really need is something on the order of a dedicated steroid mod.

The steroid forum is a different animal than any of the other forums we have here on T-Nation. There are legal issues raised here that you just don’t run into in any of the other forums.

We need someone that knows what is reasonable to post, and what is over the line.

If we learned anything from ORD - we should know that there are things you can say in the open forum, and things that need to be said in private.

That is my concern. Not so much the stupid newb questions in general, because everyone was new to this at some point. But I think that certain comments and questions need to be made on private.

I hate the idea of vets. Hate it.

I agree with everything here.[/quote]

So do I, which disturbs me slightly since such prescience is coming from a self-proclaimed douchebag.

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The reason for the recent decline in this forum’s content is simply because many of the experienced, high IQ guys haven’t been posting as frequently, and it’s actually been that way for quite awhile now.

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If I remember correctly there was a similar increase of bullshit to the steroid forum around this time last year. I imagine things should start to clear up at some stage.

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[quote]chillain wrote:
The reason for the recent decline in this forum’s content is simply because many of the experienced, high IQ guys haven’t been posting as frequently, and it’s actually been that way for quite awhile now.

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       Totally agree, but since it looks like it's going to stay that way, with a good deal of more experienced and intelligent guys just not coming around as often as they used to, it would be kind of nice if we could sort out something here to keep more interesting and higher intel end questions around the main page instead of the huge amount of space being taken up with generic type shit. Thank god a good deal of the "vets" are still around though, just harder to "mine" out of the rock. 

    Oh and just for the record, I don't mind calling the more experienced guys "vets" at all. I don't think it's meant to connotate anything other than implying this person has a "veteran" amount of TIME using AAS in an intelligent manner.

PERIOD, it doesn’t have to be construed as some kind of “demi-god” status to a group of individuals, and I think most people here get that. So, stop saying you can’t call someone here a “vet”. It makes it a hell of a lot easier to communicate that a certain person is a good candidate for someone else to talk to about the more advanced ideas/structures of cycles, and other more advanced questions.

     So if you think you might be a "vet".....

Take a chill pill and “live with it”. Ha, haaa…

            Seriously folks.

The intelligent people know who the real vets are, and they’re not “popular” always per say. In contrast, some of the more “popular” guys,(myself included, for some reason), are not actually vets, but sometimes mistaken as such. I certainly don’t belong in the same category as people like Bushy and Schwarz, among others, but it happens…Cause the newer people just make assumptions sometimes according to posts etc…

     Anyway, what I'm saying is, if you have a good deal of solid experience for some time with AAS, and are capable of helping people with advice you know is rock solid, then consider yourself a VET. And be happy about it. 
                  ToneBone
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[quote]crashball wrote:
If I remember correctly there was a similar increase of bullshit to the steroid forum around this time last year. I imagine things should start to clear up at some stage and if they don’t then really who cares I mean have you seen the all the shit on other steroid forums.[/quote]

         Well, that's a good point too that hasn't been touched on. This site is still a hell of a lot better than most of the other roid related sites are.
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I have been quiet about this issue, mainly because of trying to figure out a way to solve this problem. Then it ocurred to me.

Solution: DO NOTHING!

Yes that is right…sounds crazy? It is not. Please read what I have to say first.

Basic theory dictates that supply and demand balance themselves at an equilibrium. This will be affected by exogenous forces. However it will return back to its optimal level.

If you impose restrictions, segmentations, signals or other artificial manipulations things only get worse.

There will always be an influx of newbie questions. Some will be of an absurd nature, while some will be genuine informative. How do we decide which one to answer or which one to dismiss? We leave it to the individual’s choice to decide. It is apparent to me that when threads aren’t going in the right direction, they usually have either less than 5 posts or they are simply not answered at all.

Making someone a “special” moderator again gives extra power that could be used wrongly. I love all you guys to death, but absolute power, corrupts absolutely. Plus it is an unnecessary burden on someone who has no economic incentive to be in this board 24/7 checking every single post made, arranging things around and making sure everybody stays on topic for all threads. I just don’t see that happening without an incentive and to be honest there shouldn’t be one.

Leave things as is and lets just agree not to answer questions that have been answered before. Or just make reference where this question has been organized.

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However two things that I see as necessary upgrades to the board are a complete cleanup of the steroid newbie thread and the organization of the most important threads in the steroid forum to appear as stickies at the top. Also a link to all the articles that reference steroids would be helpful.

However NO segmentation of the forum and NO additional rules or regulations.

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Having read all of the posts in both forums and having thought about this for days now, I am inclined to agree with this post.

The changes we made regarding source posting more often than not just end up pissing me off now (see LillGuy’s post above for the exact reasons) and I fear what further regulation, moderation, or sweeping change will do to this board. The annoying characters do come and go, as do the terrific posters. We need to take the good with the bad.

I do, also, think that the beginners threads need to be cleaned up and we need more posts stickied at the top so that we can quickly direct newbs to the right place to go and these annoying threads can be quickly quashed. Somebody might need to volunteer to clean up threads or we might need to vote on which ones to use, but I really think that putting together a newbie “guide” with distinct categories would go a long way toward dealing with the clutter on this board.

My recommendations would be this:

a.) Clean up the beginners thread
b.) Sticky a PCT thread.
c.) Sticky a stasis/taper thread
d.) Furious George’s great threads remain as is

Any other suggestions?

[quote]sawadeekrob wrote:
I have been quiet about this issue, mainly because of trying to figure out a way to solve this problem. Then it ocurred to me.

Solution: DO NOTHING!

Yes that is right…sounds crazy? It is not. Please read what I have to say first.

Basic theory dictates that supply and demand balance themselves at an equilibrium. This will be affected by exogenous forces. However it will return back to its optimal level.

If you impose restrictions, segmentations, signals or other artificial manipulations things only get worse.

There will always be an influx of newbie questions. Some will be of an absurd nature, while some will be genuine informative. How do we decide which one to answer or which one to dismiss? We leave it to the individual’s choice to decide. It is apparent to me that when threads aren’t going in the right direction, they usually have either less than 5 posts or they are simply not answered at all.

Making someone a “special” moderator again gives extra power that could be used wrongly. I love all you guys to death, but absolute power, corrupts absolutely. Plus it is an unnecessary burden on someone who has no economic incentive to be in this board 24/7 checking every single post made, arranging things around and making sure everybody stays on topic for all threads. I just don’t see that happening without an incentive and to be honest there shouldn’t be one.

Leave things as is and lets just agree not to answer questions that have been answered before. Or just make reference where this question has been organized.

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However two things that I see as necessary upgrades to the board are a complete cleanup of the steroid newbie thread and the organization of the most important threads in the steroid forum to appear as stickies at the top. Also a link to all the articles that reference steroids would be helpful.

However NO segmentation of the forum and NO additional rules or regulations.

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e) more lenient source posting

whoever is controlling it doesn’t know what should be allowed and what shouldn’t. It’s honestly not that hard to figure out, but the blanket ban on everything isn’t what anyone wanted.

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[quote]Schwarzenegger wrote:
e) more lenient source posting

whoever is controlling it doesn’t know what should be allowed and what shouldn’t. It’s honestly not that hard to figure out, but the blanket ban on everything isn’t what anyone wanted.[/quote]

Should have put that there myself, as I was already mentioning it. Completely agree.

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Which is exactly why this forum needs some moderation from someone with some extensive knowledge on the topic to weed through what is wanted and what is not by the majority.

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[quote]Cortes wrote:
Having read all of the posts in both forums and having thought about this for days now, I am inclined to agree with this post.

The changes we made regarding source posting more often than not just end up pissing me off now (see LillGuy’s post above for the exact reasons) and I fear what further regulation, moderation, or sweeping change will do to this board. The annoying characters do come and go, as do the terrific posters. We need to take the good with the bad.

I do, also, think that the beginners threads need to be cleaned up and we need more posts stickied at the top so that we can quickly direct newbs to the right place to go and these annoying threads can be quickly quashed. Somebody might need to volunteer to clean up threads or we might need to vote on which ones to use, but I really think that putting together a newbie “guide” with distinct categories would go a long way toward dealing with the clutter on this board.

My recommendations would be this:

a.) Clean up the beginners thread
b.) Sticky a PCT thread.
c.) Sticky a stasis/taper thread
d.) Furious George’s great threads remain as is

Any other suggestions?

sawadeekrob wrote:
I have been quiet about this issue, mainly because of trying to figure out a way to solve this problem. Then it ocurred to me.

Solution: DO NOTHING!

Yes that is right…sounds crazy? It is not. Please read what I have to say first.

Basic theory dictates that supply and demand balance themselves at an equilibrium. This will be affected by exogenous forces. However it will return back to its optimal level.

If you impose restrictions, segmentations, signals or other artificial manipulations things only get worse.

There will always be an influx of newbie questions. Some will be of an absurd nature, while some will be genuine informative. How do we decide which one to answer or which one to dismiss? We leave it to the individual’s choice to decide. It is apparent to me that when threads aren’t going in the right direction, they usually have either less than 5 posts or they are simply not answered at all.

Making someone a “special” moderator again gives extra power that could be used wrongly. I love all you guys to death, but absolute power, corrupts absolutely. Plus it is an unnecessary burden on someone who has no economic incentive to be in this board 24/7 checking every single post made, arranging things around and making sure everybody stays on topic for all threads. I just don’t see that happening without an incentive and to be honest there shouldn’t be one.

Leave things as is and lets just agree not to answer questions that have been answered before. Or just make reference where this question has been organized.

=============================

However two things that I see as necessary upgrades to the board are a complete cleanup of the steroid newbie thread and the organization of the most important threads in the steroid forum to appear as stickies at the top. Also a link to all the articles that reference steroids would be helpful.

However NO segmentation of the forum and NO additional rules or regulations.

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            Yeah, this list is really a reiteration of Juice20JD's post. For good reason too. It's a good idea.
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I’m not really sure how the situation can be improved. I put in a lot of time and effort on the Newbie Cycle Guide to try to eliminate the clutter by having all the info a newb needs to put together a basic cycle plan (which lets face it is what 99% of them are here for). I tried to make it as quick and easy as possible.

Over and above this I don’t know if there is an effective way.

I don’t think seperating the newbs is a good idea because you may end up with a board where nobody knows what the fuck they are talking about and people are handing out bad advice because they are the most “qualified” bros on there. The newbs should really be getting advice from people that really know what they are talking about.

I don’t think making restrictions on who can post on the board makes sense either because people will find ways around it (like posting garbage posts to get to the minimum) making it a waste of time and possibly a bigger mess than it is now.

I think if we really want to reduce the clutter we need to find more ways of providing newbs with the tools to educate themselves quickly and easily so that they get up to a “vet” level of education fast and are able to actually post relavent info/questions.

For now I think we are best to just point them to the newbie threads that are stickied and ignore stupid posts.

FG

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i have been reading posts here for months! and by far i am a newbie in this area of interest i dont like the idea of seperate forums schwarzenegger posted something along the lines of having to post in the newbies forum first…which i believe would be a good idea!

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Honestly, has anyone seen all the crap threads that have been posted recently? I think I saw like 10 “first cycle” and “how about this one” threads. It’s quite annoying, and why I think there should be an active steroid forum mod, or some kind of change to these forums.

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[quote]tico1028 wrote:
Honestly, has anyone seen all the crap threads that have been posted recently? I think I saw like 10 “first cycle” and “how about this one” threads. It’s quite annoying, and why I think there should be an active steroid forum mod, or some kind of change to these forums.[/quote]

I think someone read this thread and decided to bombard us with shit to see how pissed off we get. I’m sure a mod will clean it up.

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[quote]tico1028 wrote:
Honestly, has anyone seen all the crap threads that have been posted recently? I think I saw like 10 “first cycle” and “how about this one” threads. It’s quite annoying, and why I think there should be an active steroid forum mod, or some kind of change to these forums.[/quote]

As a long time lurker and occasional poster take this with a grain of salt. I don’t understand how people get so upset with the retard posts. First off we all had to start somewhere and this world is full of short bussers. Second if you hold your mouse over a topic for a second you can get a general idea of what the question is. And if by chance you click on the post and waste that 5 seconds of your life after you hit the back button, well it’s 5 seconds, i mean really 5 seconds…

I also think multiple steroid boards would be a bad idea because lets face it, this board doesn’t get the amount of traffic it once did. If we segment the board it’s gonna be 3-5 posts a day on seperate boards. I can put up with the occasional stewpid guy like last night posting the same damn thing 15+ times. for a more consolidated board.

A dedicated mod. HELL NO. Despite the most unsocialable unconnected guy’s best efforts I just don’t see how that couldn’t lead to BROville.

I’ve been staying off the boards since ORD and I don’t post that much to begin with so I have no idea about the across the board source policy, but I have to say that some of the guy’s who have said they disagree with the current policy. I would take at face value and agree with.

I also wish that the powers that be would at least throw the type of guys attracted to this sight in the beginning a bone. Is it too much too ask for one AAS related article a month?

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[quote]stumpy wrote:

I also wish that the powers that be would at least throw the type of guys attracted to this sight in the beginning a bone. Is it too much too ask for one AAS related article a month?

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They are simply afraid of exogenous testosterone. Something to do with popular culture demonizing the stuff.