Changes in History Curriculum in Texas

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Sloth wrote:

Why is everyone looking at the political structure for these values?[/quote]

Exactly. We should frame this.

Additionally, when we “formed” the nation, we formed it with a federal government designed to govern national issues based on principles of the Enlightenment (Scottish, mostly, and not French) and Western/Judeo-Christian values (see references to Natural Law). But most overlooked by the secularists is that the federal government (at that time) did not represent “the nation” - by and large the states did, and the states were responsible for nearly all laws related to “public morality” (the federal government had no authority to legislate in such areas).

As such, the “character” and “values” of the nation were found in the states, not in the halls of Congress. And to the extent any of these values were formalized by law, that formalization was at the state level. And so, if we have an desire to figure out what the “values” of the nation were at the Founding (and since), you have to look in the proper place - the states.

Secularists who swear the US wasn’t founded on Judeo-Christian values simply have no idea if they are right or wrong - they aren’t looking in the right place.

Beyond that, it is unquestionable that the US wasn’t formally founded on Christianity by and through the ratification of the Constitution. But that doesn’t answer the question as to whether the country was primarily founded on a certain set of values, which, to any fair observer, it is clear the US was.

And on the topic of Congress, a supposedly “secularist” nation has, since the Founding, opened Congress with a prayer and the Senate has employed its own chaplain since 1789.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

The bill describes the Texas curriculum changes as “a sharp departure from widely accepted historical teachings” and “a threat to the apolitical nature of public school governance and academic content standards in California.” [/quote]

Apolitical? This could have been written in the Onion. California’s garbage of an education system is guilty of the exact same sins it alleges Texas is engaging in.[/quote]

“We as a nation were intended by God to be a light set on a hill to serve as a beacon of hope and Christian charity to a lost and dying world.”

Feel free to include where any California school district text book is so blatantly biased towards a particular view point (Puritan Christian).

In SD, one of the most conservative areas of Cali, I’ve yet to hear a member of the school district, even privately, advocate for such a retarded view of US history. Cali has been good towards not utilizing Pax Americana as the gold standard of history, while not catering towards any ethnocentric view of her history, even in the area of the Cali purchase. You’d be surprised how many easterners and southerners i meet who think that Cali was a devoid bushland when we purchased it.

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[quote]PB-Crawl wrote:

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

The bill describes the Texas curriculum changes as “a sharp departure from widely accepted historical teachings” and “a threat to the apolitical nature of public school governance and academic content standards in California.” [/quote]

Apolitical? This could have been written in the Onion. California’s garbage of an education system is guilty of the exact same sins it alleges Texas is engaging in.[/quote]

“We as a nation were intended by God to be a light set on a hill to serve as a beacon of hope and Christian charity to a lost and dying world.”

Feel free to include where any California school district text book is so blatantly biased towards a particular view point (Puritan Christian).

In SD, one of the most conservative areas of Cali, I’ve yet to hear a member of the school district, even privately, advocate for such a retarded view of US history. Cali has been good towards not utilizing Pax Americana as the gold standard of history, while not catering towards any ethnocentric view of her history, even in the area of the Cali purchase. You’d be surprised how many easterners and southerners i meet who think that Cali was a devoid bushland when we purchased it.[/quote]

Other than references to the Amish in general terms - please provide any example of a California history text that teaches the religious foundations of the colonies, the spiritual revivals of early American history (great Awakenings), the role of Christian missionaries in their efforts to reach the Indian nations at their own peril, the religious roots of the great educational institutions, the role of the clergy in the establishment of our nation or just a good breakdown of the role of Christianity in the Emancipation, Suffrage or Civil Rights?

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[quote]phaethon wrote:
If white folk had so wished then when Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat the white majority could have gone as far as re-enslaving the black populace. Who would have stopped them? Nobody. Just like nobody stopped Russia from killing and enslaving millions of Ukrainians.

Fact of the matter is blacks and women attained their freedom with the support of the white majority.[/quote]

Yeah, those troublesome blacks should be grateful you gave them any rights at all!

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Let’s face it, the entire “Education System” in this country is broken. Unless the subject being taught is a hard science or math, there is so much manipulation going on it is almost impossible for the young, undiscerning mind to comprehend what is really important to learn.

History is especially susceptible to the political pressures and whims of those who are in charge of the curriculum. I remember in one of my history classes in college, the only thing the professor said about Thomas Jefferson was that he may have fathered a child with a slave.

On the whole, the government involvement in education is failing. Rising school costs, poorly educated students, and an entrenched, inefficient educational bureaucracy. We have spent 2 trillion dollars on education in this country and the overall educational standards have continued to decline. Enough is enough.

It is no accident that home schooled children consistently outperform their public educated brethren. And it is also no accident that the educational cartels in states like California want to outlaw homeschooling before it reflects on what a shitty job they have done.

Teachers and administrators cannot replace motivated parents as the primary educators of their children. Just as government cannot replace parents as the primary care takers of children.

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It would be some much easier if the government could just “adopt” children from their parents at birth and send them to education camps. Then everyone could be equal.

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[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:

[quote]phaethon wrote:
If white folk had so wished then when Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat the white majority could have gone as far as re-enslaving the black populace. Who would have stopped them? Nobody. Just like nobody stopped Russia from killing and enslaving millions of Ukrainians.

Fact of the matter is blacks and women attained their freedom with the support of the white majority.[/quote]

Yeah, those troublesome blacks should be grateful you gave them any rights at all! [/quote]

LOL

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Has anybody ever looked at a social studies text book in the state of TX? I used to teach geography and world history here in the mighty Lone Star Republic. It’s already from a conservative point of view from the most part. It is Texas afterall.

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History has already been whitewashed as it is, in high school we were bombarded about the horrors of Guernica, and the Confederate Andersonville Prison, and the injustice of Joseph Mccarthy. But never Dresden, Elmira pprison, Sherman’s March to the Sea, or the Russian, and Armenian holocausts and definately not the attrocitys of China at least not until college when they were mentioned in passing.

My main complaint about this is removing Thomas Jefferson and the Religous emphasis on school( The pendulum swings both ways, If a school teaches Christianity today theres a good chance they’ll be teaching islam tomorrow.

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[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:

[quote]phaethon wrote:
Fact of the matter is blacks and women attained their freedom with the support of the white majority.[/quote]

Yeah, those troublesome blacks should be grateful you gave them any rights at all! [/quote]

While you surely meant to discredit my position by taking me out of context I have to say you are right, they should be grateful that they were given rights. My ancestors died in large numbers to gain their rights. I’m sure they would have been grateful to be given rights rather than have to fight for them.

Simply because a person deserves something does not mean they shouldn’t be grateful when it is given to them. Especially when it could have easily been denied to them. Hell I’m grateful that I have those rights now.

P.S. I am not American and my country has never had any trouble with blacks.

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[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
“DO YOU KNOW THE PREAMBLE FOR YOUR STATE?”

Alabama 1901, Preamble We the people of the State of Alabama, invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following Constitution.
Alaska 1956, Preamble We, the people of Alaska, grateful to God and to those who founded our nation and pioneered this great land.

Arizona 1911, Preamble We, the people of the State of Arizona, grateful to Almighty God for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution…
Arkansas 1874, Preamble We, the people of the State of Arkansas, grateful to Almighty God for the privilege of choosing our own form of government…
California 1879, Preamble We, the People of the State of California, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom…

Colorado 1876, Preamble We, the people of Colorado, with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of Universe…
Connecticut 1818, Preamble. The People of Connecticut, acknowledging with gratitude the good Providence of God in permitting them to enjoy.
Delaware 1897, Preamble Through Divine Goodness all men have, by nature, the rights of worshipping and serving their Creator according to the dictates of their consciences…

Florida 1885, Preamble We, the people of the State of Florida, grateful to Almighty God for our constitutional liberty, establish this Constitution…
Georgia 1777, Preamble We, the people of Georgia, relying upon protection and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish this Constitution…
Hawaii 1959, Preamble We, the people of Hawaii, Grateful for Divine Guidance … Establish this Constitution.

Idaho 1889, Preamble We, the people of the State of Idaho, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings.
Illinois 1870, Preamble We, the people of the State of Illinois, grateful to Almighty God for the civil , political and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavor s.
Indiana 1851, Preamble We, the People of the State of Indiana, grateful to Almighty God for the free exercise of the right to choose our form of government.

Iowa 1857, Preamble We, the People of the State of Iowa, grateful to the Supreme Being for the blessings hitherto enjoyed, and feeling our dependence on Him for a continuation of these blessings, establish this Constitution.
Kansas 1859, Preamble We, the people of Kansas, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious privileges establish this Constitution.
Kentucky 1891, Preamble. We, the people of the Commonwealth are grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties…

Louisiana 1921, Preamble We, the people of the State of Louisiana, grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties we enjoy.
Maine 1820, Preamble We the People of Maine acknowledging with grateful hearts the goodness of the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe in affording us an opportunity… And imploring His aid and direction.

Maryland 1776, Preamble We, the people of the state of Maryland, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberty…
Massachusetts 1780, Preamble We…the people of Massachusetts, acknowledging with grateful hearts, the goodness of the Great Legislator of the Universe In the course of His Providence, an opportunity and devoutly imploring His direction
Michigan 1908, Preamble le. We, the people of the State of Michigan, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of freedom establish this Constitution.

Minnesota, 1857, Preamble We, the people of the State of Minnesota , grateful to God for our civil and religious liberty, and desiring to perpetuate its blessings:
Mississippi 1890, Preamble We, the people of Mississippi in convention assembled, grateful to Al mighty God, and invoking His blessing on our work.
Missouri 1845, Preamble We, the people of Missouri, with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, and grateful for His goodness. Establish this Constitution…

Montana 1889, Preamble. We, the people of Montana, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty establish this Constitution…
Nebraska 1875, Preamble We, the people, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom. Establish this Constitution.
Nevada 1864, Preamble We the people of the Stat e of Nevada, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, establish this Constitution…

New Hampshire 1792, Part I. Art. I. Sec. V Every individual has a natural and unalienable right to worship God according to the dictates of his own conscience.
New Jersey 1844, Preamble We, the people of the State of New Jersey, grateful to Almighty God for civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors.
New Mexico 1911, Preamble We, the People of New Mexico, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty…

New York 1846, Preamble We, the people of the State of New York, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, in order to secure its blessings.
North Carolina 1868, Preamble We the people of the State of North Carolina, grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for our civil, political, and religious liberties, and acknowledging our dependence upon Him for the continuance of those…

North Dakota 1889, Preamble We, the people of North Dakota, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, do ordain…
Ohio 1852, Preamble We the people of the state of Ohio, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings and to promote our common…

Oklahoma 1907, Preamble Invoking the guidance of Almighty God, in order to secure and perpetuate the blessings of liberty, establish this Oregon 1857, Bill of Rights, Article I Section 2. All men shall be secure in the Natural right, to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their consciences
Pennsylvania 1776, Preamble We, the people of Pennsylvania , grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, and humbly invoking His guidance…
Rhode Island 1842, Preamble. We the People of the State of Rhode Island grateful to Almighty God for the civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing…

South Carolina, 1778, Preamble We, the people of he State of South Carolina grateful to God for our liberties, do ordain and establish this Constitution.
South Dakota 1889, Preamble We, the people of South Dakota, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberties Tennessee 1796, Art. XI.III. That all men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their conscience…

Texas 1845, Preamble We the People of the Republic of Texas, acknowledging, with gratitude, the grace and beneficence of God.
Utah 1896, Preamble Grateful to Almighty God for life and liberty, we establish this Constitution.
Vermont 1777, Preamble Whereas all government ought to enable the individuals who compose it to enjoy their natural rights, and other blessings which the Author of Existence has bestowed on man.

Virginia 1776, Bill of Rights, XVI Religion, or the Duty which we owe our Creator can be directed only by Reason and that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian Forbearance, Love and Charity towards each other
Washington 1889, Preamble We the People of the State of Washington , grateful to the Supreme Ruler of the Universe for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution
West Virginia 1872, Preamble Since through Divine Providence we enjoy the blessings of civil, political and religious liberty, we, t he people of West Virginia reaffirm our faith in and constant reliance upon God …

Wisconsin 1848, Preamble We, the people of Wisconsin, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, domestic tranquility…
Wyoming 1890, Preamble We, the people of the State of Wyoming, grateful to God for our civil, political, and religious liberties, establish this Constitution…
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Everyone of these preambles seems to be a thanks for grace and providence and in the context of being far more cultural than religious.

Unlike some of europe (at those times anyways) there is no claim that these governments are expressly ordained by God to do His will on earth but rather thankful in quite a few of these they do not labor under this type of holy sanction to government.

In other words this looks more like a thanks to God for the existance of secular government than an affirmation of Judeo-Christain values (whatever they may be) in government.

Well, Virginia might be the odd one out, but still.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Tancredi wrote:

Everyone of these preambles seems to be a thanks for grace and providence and in the context of being far more cultural than religious.

Unlike some of europe (at those times anyways) there is no claim that these governments are expressly ordained by God to do His will on earth but rather thankful in quite a few of these they do not labor under this type of holy sanction to government.

In other words this looks more like a thanks to God for the existance of secular government than an affirmation of Judeo-Christain values (whatever they may be) in government.

Well, Virginia might be the odd one out, but still.[/quote]

Maybe just maybe a prudent man would say to give thanks to God for the existence of a secular government IS an affirmation of Judeo-Christian values.

Other than that it appears we have another believer in “the sky is surely green.”[quote]

Tancredi thought: That pesky Virginia, gittin in there and screwin’ up my profoundly uttered point of view.[/quote][/quote]

So secular government is clearly a judeo-christain view? Would you like to confirm that?

Also, Virgina is rather ambigious as it is.

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Maybe this is why our country is falling apart – a country of Reason with a mystical religious base. Fascinating!!

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I dont know that the bias in CA school systems is so much in the text books, as in the teachers themselves in what they choose to teach and talk about. For example, an english teacher i had tried to say that no colored people have ever tried to conquer anyone before(a big part of their agenda is that white people are evil).

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[quote]phaethon wrote:

[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:

[quote]phaethon wrote:
Fact of the matter is blacks and women attained their freedom with the support of the white majority.[/quote]

Yeah, those troublesome blacks should be grateful you gave them any rights at all! [/quote]

While you surely meant to discredit my position by taking me out of context I have to say you are right, they should be grateful that they were given rights. My ancestors died in large numbers to gain their rights. I’m sure they would have been grateful to be given rights rather than have to fight for them.

Simply because a person deserves something does not mean they shouldn’t be grateful when it is given to them. Especially when it could have easily been denied to them. Hell I’m grateful that I have those rights now.

P.S. I am not American and my country has never had any trouble with blacks.[/quote]

Well, you see, here in America, (with the odd exception, I guess), we beleive people are endowed with certain natural rights by their creator. We then beleive it is the position of good government to safeguard those rights.