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How bad do you feel if you were the coal miners who burned all the trash that started these fires. Oops!
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
GhorigTheBeefy wrote:
As far as that town goes I think it’s pretty crazy that they haven’t figure out a way to contain or extinguish the fire. “Hey we have a huge fucking fire underground! Lets go do another half-assed attempt to put it out since it really isn’t important.”
Would you run into an enclosed environment filled with toxic gases, which has an extraordinarily high potential to randomly fall in and crush you?
After having completed new miner safety training and becoming aware of the hazards of even a best case scenario, running headlong into a worst case scenario like that one isn’t very appealing.
Even if they tapped a local creek or water table and flooded it, that could potentially damage the surrounding watershed by creating a source of acid mine drainage, and fuck over an even greater area by contaminating the water source for an entire region.
All for very little to no gain what so ever, and no guarantee of success.
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Fuel Air Bomb.
Sending people in to put it out with fire hoses would never work at this point. They need to cut off the oxygen supply and/or remove fuel so it will just burn itself out. Both could be done with explosives which is much cooler than firemen on a ladder.
[quote]GhorigTheBeefy wrote:
SkyzykS wrote:
GhorigTheBeefy wrote:
As far as that town goes I think it’s pretty crazy that they haven’t figure out a way to contain or extinguish the fire. “Hey we have a huge fucking fire underground! Lets go do another half-assed attempt to put it out since it really isn’t important.”
Would you run into an enclosed environment filled with toxic gases, which has an extraordinarily high potential to randomly fall in and crush you?
After having completed new miner safety training and becoming aware of the hazards of even a best case scenario, running headlong into a worst case scenario like that one isn’t very appealing.
Even if they tapped a local creek or water table and flooded it, that could potentially damage the surrounding watershed by creating a source of acid mine drainage, and fuck over an even greater area by contaminating the water source for an entire region.
All for very little to no gain what so ever, and no guarantee of success.
Fuel Air Bomb.
Sending people in to put it out with fire hoses would never work at this point. They need to cut off the oxygen supply and/or remove fuel so it will just burn itself out. Both could be done with explosives which is much cooler than firemen on a ladder.[/quote]
You are right. You should work with MSHA on that.
O.K. Back to the spooky stuff.
I liked the Jacobs Ladder type of feel that it had too. Gave it that dark juxtaposition of insanity breaching then completely taking over reality.
[quote]GhorigTheBeefy wrote:
SkyzykS wrote:
GhorigTheBeefy wrote:
As far as that town goes I think it’s pretty crazy that they haven’t figure out a way to contain or extinguish the fire. “Hey we have a huge fucking fire underground! Lets go do another half-assed attempt to put it out since it really isn’t important.”
Would you run into an enclosed environment filled with toxic gases, which has an extraordinarily high potential to randomly fall in and crush you?
After having completed new miner safety training and becoming aware of the hazards of even a best case scenario, running headlong into a worst case scenario like that one isn’t very appealing.
Even if they tapped a local creek or water table and flooded it, that could potentially damage the surrounding watershed by creating a source of acid mine drainage, and fuck over an even greater area by contaminating the water source for an entire region.
All for very little to no gain what so ever, and no guarantee of success.
Fuel Air Bomb.
Sending people in to put it out with fire hoses would never work at this point. They need to cut off the oxygen supply and/or remove fuel so it will just burn itself out. Both could be done with explosives which is much cooler than firemen on a ladder.[/quote]
[i]Several current and former Centralia residents believe the state’s eminent domain claim was a ploy to gain the mineral rights to the anthracite coal beneath the borough.Residents estimate its value to be in the billions of dollars, although the exact amount of coal is not known.
This is stated in Joan Quigley’s The Day the Earth Caved In in a section that indicated Centralia is the only municipality within the Commonwealth that actually owned its mineral rights.[/i] In a nearby municipality the government was successful in extinguishing a similar mine fire using methods like those proposed for and used in Centralia.
[quote]PimpBot5000 wrote:
And I’ll make the black stereotype comments “Nah bitch, you crazy”. “Oh no she didn’t”
“What up with that?”
LOL, yeah you need at least a few of those to pepper the movie with. “I ain’t goin’ in there, you goin’ in there!”, “GOD DAWWWMMM you ugly!” and if you REALLY want to play it up, make some random references to “Mama’s sweet potato pie”.
The Hollywood law of African-American expendability indicates that, in an action movie with all other things being equal, the friendly comical black guy must die. Take that into consideration before pulling out the one-liners. You could be the tough black guy, who stands a far greater chance of survival.[/quote]
And that’s why I didn’t respond…I’m trying to set up the “quiet,tough black guy” character…because I’m slow as hell. But I’ll fight like a sum’bitch!
The book “a walk in the woods” talkins in depth about this and some other ridiculous mess ups by companies and the government that destroyed towns and forests…
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
The ruins of Centralia Pennsylvania no longer exists on some maps. The story began sometime in 1962 along the outskirts of town when trash was burned in the pit of an abandoned strip mine, which connected to a coal vein running near the surface. The burning trash caught the exposed vein of coal on fire. The fire was thought to be extinguished but it apparently wasn’t when it erupted in the pit a few days later. Again the fire was doused with water for hours and thought to be out. But it wasn’t. The coal then began to burn underground. That was in 1962. For the next two decades, workers battled the fire, flushing the mines with water and fly ash, excavated the burning material and dug trenches, backfilled, drilling again and again in an attempt to find the boundaries of the fire and plan to put the fire out or at least contain it.
All efforts failed to do either as government officials delayed to take any real action to save the village. By the early 1980s the fire had affected approximately 200 acres and homes had to be abandoned as carbon monoxide levels reached life threatening levels. An engineering study concluded in 1983 that the fire could burn for another century or even more and “could conceivably spread over an area of approximately 3,700 acres.”
As time passed, each feeble attempt to do anything to stop the fire or help the residents of Centralia would cost more and more due to the fires progression. Over 47 years and 40 million dollars later the fire still burns through old coal mines and veins under the town and the surrounding hillsides on several fronts. The fire, smoke, fumes and toxic gases that came up through the back yards, basements and streets of Centralia literally ripped the town apart. Most of the homes were condemned and residents were relocated over the years with grants from the federal government although some die-hards refused to be bought out and some still remain in the town. [/quote]
About twelve miles from my house.
I don’t find it to creepy, just a boring old mining town. After recon, go to May’s drive in a few miles away, good fried chicken.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[i]Several current and former Centralia residents believe the state’s eminent domain claim was a ploy to gain the mineral rights to the anthracite coal beneath the borough.Residents estimate its value to be in the billions of dollars, although the exact amount of coal is not known.
This is stated in Joan Quigley’s The Day the Earth Caved In in a section that indicated Centralia is the only municipality within the Commonwealth that actually owned its mineral rights.[/i] In a nearby municipality the government was successful in extinguishing a similar mine fire using methods like those proposed for and used in Centralia.
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I’m sure that several residents really would believe [i], but if it were Actually worth billions, I guarantee you that mining contractors would have developed a solution. No one in this industry would let that much money just go up in smoke.
Unless it just isn’t there.
For that much money, I don’t see why that seam wouldn’t be tapped by placing an entry portal in a different location and mining the seam from a different direction wouldn’t be feasible, or even considered.
[quote]
Coal mining continued in Centralia until the 1960s, when most of the companies went out of business. Bootleg mining continued until 1982. Strip and open-pit mining is still active in the area, and there is an underground mine employing about 40 employees three miles to the west.
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Or maybe it already has been considered, and executed.
Truth of the matter is more than likely that it just isn’t worth it to try to put out a fire in an abandoned mine. Even with modern techniques and machinery, there is still some coal left in the ground. Longwall operations will remove a good bit, but with the technique of room and pillar followed by back mining once an area has been mined out, there is still a lot left, as it must be to avoid collapsing the roof upon yourself.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
The ruins of Centralia Pennsylvania no longer exists on some maps. The story began sometime in 1962 along the outskirts of town when trash was burned in the pit of an abandoned strip mine, which connected to a coal vein running near the surface. The burning trash caught the exposed vein of coal on fire. The fire was thought to be extinguished but it apparently wasn’t when it erupted in the pit a few days later. Again the fire was doused with water for hours and thought to be out. But it wasn’t. The coal then began to burn underground. That was in 1962. For the next two decades, workers battled the fire, flushing the mines with water and fly ash, excavated the burning material and dug trenches, backfilled, drilling again and again in an attempt to find the boundaries of the fire and plan to put the fire out or at least contain it.
All efforts failed to do either as government officials delayed to take any real action to save the village. By the early 1980s the fire had affected approximately 200 acres and homes had to be abandoned as carbon monoxide levels reached life threatening levels. An engineering study concluded in 1983 that the fire could burn for another century or even more and “could conceivably spread over an area of approximately 3,700 acres.”
As time passed, each feeble attempt to do anything to stop the fire or help the residents of Centralia would cost more and more due to the fires progression. Over 47 years and 40 million dollars later the fire still burns through old coal mines and veins under the town and the surrounding hillsides on several fronts. The fire, smoke, fumes and toxic gases that came up through the back yards, basements and streets of Centralia literally ripped the town apart. Most of the homes were condemned and residents were relocated over the years with grants from the federal government although some die-hards refused to be bought out and some still remain in the town.
About twelve miles from my house.[/quote]
Damn,so were you around when all this went down? And do the local area people still talk about this town and it’s situation.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
[i]Several current and former Centralia residents believe the state’s eminent domain claim was a ploy to gain the mineral rights to the anthracite coal beneath the borough.Residents estimate its value to be in the billions of dollars, although the exact amount of coal is not known.
This is stated in Joan Quigley’s The Day the Earth Caved In in a section that indicated Centralia is the only municipality within the Commonwealth that actually owned its mineral rights.[/i] In a nearby municipality the government was successful in extinguishing a similar mine fire using methods like those proposed for and used in Centralia.
I’m sure that several residents really would believe [i], but if it were Actually worth billions, I guarantee you that mining contractors would have developed a solution. No one in this industry would let that much money just go up in smoke.
The fire remained burning underground and spread through a hole in the rock pit into the abandoned coal mines beneath Centralia
Unless it just isn’t there.
For that much money, I don’t see why that seam wouldn’t be tapped by placing an entry portal in a different location and mining the seam from a different direction wouldn’t be feasible, or even considered.
Coal mining continued in Centralia until the 1960s, when most of the companies went out of business. Bootleg mining continued until 1982. Strip and open-pit mining is still active in the area, and there is an underground mine employing about 40 employees three miles to the west.
[\quote]
Or maybe it already has been considered, and executed.
Truth of the matter is more than likely that it just isn’t worth it to try to put out a fire in an abandoned mine. Even with modern techniques and machinery, there is still some coal left in the ground. Longwall operations will remove a good bit, but with the technique of room and pillar followed by back mining once an area has been mined out, there is still a lot left, as it must be to avoid collapsing the roof upon yourself.
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That all makes sense. People love to add conspiracy to an already fucked situation.
Burning Mountain, in Australia, has been burning for an estimated 6,000 years…coam seam fires are relatively common. The Badlands area of South Dakota had many of these, and the clinker fields can be found everywhere.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
SkyzykS wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
[i]Several current and former Centralia residents believe the state’s eminent domain claim was a ploy to gain the mineral rights to the anthracite coal beneath the borough.Residents estimate its value to be in the billions of dollars, although the exact amount of coal is not known.
This is stated in Joan Quigley’s The Day the Earth Caved In in a section that indicated Centralia is the only municipality within the Commonwealth that actually owned its mineral rights.[/i] In a nearby municipality the government was successful in extinguishing a similar mine fire using methods like those proposed for and used in Centralia.
I’m sure that several residents really would believe [i], but if it were Actually worth billions, I guarantee you that mining contractors would have developed a solution. No one in this industry would let that much money just go up in smoke.
The fire remained burning underground and spread through a hole in the rock pit into the abandoned coal mines beneath Centralia
Unless it just isn’t there.
For that much money, I don’t see why that seam wouldn’t be tapped by placing an entry portal in a different location and mining the seam from a different direction wouldn’t be feasible, or even considered.
Coal mining continued in Centralia until the 1960s, when most of the companies went out of business. Bootleg mining continued until 1982. Strip and open-pit mining is still active in the area, and there is an underground mine employing about 40 employees three miles to the west.
[\quote]
Or maybe it already has been considered, and executed.
Truth of the matter is more than likely that it just isn’t worth it to try to put out a fire in an abandoned mine. Even with modern techniques and machinery, there is still some coal left in the ground. Longwall operations will remove a good bit, but with the technique of room and pillar followed by back mining once an area has been mined out, there is still a lot left, as it must be to avoid collapsing the roof upon yourself.
That all makes sense. People love to add conspiracy to an already fucked situation.[/quote]
The best way to add conspiracy is to type in italics when talking about something shady.
[quote]Mutu wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
SkyzykS wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
[i]Several current and former Centralia residents believe the state’s eminent domain claim was a ploy to gain the mineral rights to the anthracite coal beneath the borough.Residents estimate its value to be in the billions of dollars, although the exact amount of coal is not known.
This is stated in Joan Quigley’s The Day the Earth Caved In in a section that indicated Centralia is the only municipality within the Commonwealth that actually owned its mineral rights.[/i] In a nearby municipality the government was successful in extinguishing a similar mine fire using methods like those proposed for and used in Centralia.
I’m sure that several residents really would believe [i], but if it were Actually worth billions, I guarantee you that mining contractors would have developed a solution. No one in this industry would let that much money just go up in smoke.
The fire remained burning underground and spread through a hole in the rock pit into the abandoned coal mines beneath Centralia
Unless it just isn’t there.
For that much money, I don’t see why that seam wouldn’t be tapped by placing an entry portal in a different location and mining the seam from a different direction wouldn’t be feasible, or even considered.
Coal mining continued in Centralia until the 1960s, when most of the companies went out of business. Bootleg mining continued until 1982. Strip and open-pit mining is still active in the area, and there is an underground mine employing about 40 employees three miles to the west.
[\quote]
Or maybe it already has been considered, and executed.
Truth of the matter is more than likely that it just isn’t worth it to try to put out a fire in an abandoned mine. Even with modern techniques and machinery, there is still some coal left in the ground. Longwall operations will remove a good bit, but with the technique of room and pillar followed by back mining once an area has been mined out, there is still a lot left, as it must be to avoid collapsing the roof upon yourself.
That all makes sense. People love to add conspiracy to an already fucked situation.
The best way to add conspiracy is to type in italics when talking about something shady.
[/quote]
shhhhhh!!!
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
shhhhhh!!![/quote]
Now he knows. Get him. (quietly)
I didn’t even recognize the script in the original post that italicized. I thought it was a reference to a citation.
My bad.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Professor X wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Hahhaa man I don’t know how I came across this but I read the story last week on wikipedia.
Never saw Silent Hill, but Centralia certainly is a fucked town.
Rent Silent Hill. They succeeded at making a very creepy looking movie even though I didn’t like the ending (it was a little Twilight Zonish only without the moral implication).
Apparently,the movie was loosely based,of course,from the story of this Centralia town. Oh,and a sequel is supposed to start filming after they are done with next Resident Evil movie(please stop!). [/quote]
I liked the FIRST Resident Evil movie. Before Dawn of the Dead came out, it was my favorite zombie movie. However, they kind of lost me with the second one (which seemed like an attempt at non-zombie action movie). I thought the third was actually a decent attempt…but there was no creepy effect of night in it so it again came across as “sci-fi action”.
Unless they take this back to being dark, creepy and filled with zombies, I will just wait for the dvd.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Hahhaa man I don’t know how I came across this but I read the story last week on wikipedia.
Never saw Silent Hill, but Centralia certainly is a fucked town.
Rent Silent Hill. They succeeded at making a very creepy looking movie even though I didn’t like the ending (it was a little Twilight Zonish only without the moral implication).[/quote]
I’m not sure I got the ending 100% All I know is the actress who played the motorcycle cop was hot, and yeah it was creepy
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Professor X wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Hahhaa man I don’t know how I came across this but I read the story last week on wikipedia.
Never saw Silent Hill, but Centralia certainly is a fucked town.
Rent Silent Hill. They succeeded at making a very creepy looking movie even though I didn’t like the ending (it was a little Twilight Zonish only without the moral implication).
Apparently,the movie was loosely based,of course,from the story of this Centralia town. Oh,and a sequel is supposed to start filming after they are done with next Resident Evil movie(please stop!).
I liked the FIRST Resident Evil movie. Before Dawn of the Dead came out, it was my favorite zombie movie. However, they kind of lost me with the second one (which seemed like an attempt at non-zombie action movie). I thought the third was actually a decent attempt…but there was no creepy effect of night in it so it again came across as “sci-fi action”.
Unless they take this back to being dark, creepy and filled with zombies, I will just wait for the dvd.[/quote]
I, for one, like all the Resident Evil movies.
Don’t hate me!
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Professor X wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Hahhaa man I don’t know how I came across this but I read the story last week on wikipedia.
Never saw Silent Hill, but Centralia certainly is a fucked town.
Rent Silent Hill. They succeeded at making a very creepy looking movie even though I didn’t like the ending (it was a little Twilight Zonish only without the moral implication).
Apparently,the movie was loosely based,of course,from the story of this Centralia town. Oh,and a sequel is supposed to start filming after they are done with next Resident Evil movie(please stop!).
I liked the FIRST Resident Evil movie. Before Dawn of the Dead came out, it was my favorite zombie movie. However, they kind of lost me with the second one (which seemed like an attempt at non-zombie action movie). I thought the third was actually a decent attempt…but there was no creepy effect of night in it so it again came across as “sci-fi action”.
Unless they take this back to being dark, creepy and filled with zombies, I will just wait for the dvd.[/quote]
Resident Evil: After Life…Plot Summary:
[i]In a world ravaged by a virus infection, turning its victims into the Undead, Alice continues on her journey to find survivors and lead them to safety. Her deadly battle with the Umbrella Corporation reaches new heights, but Alice gets some unexpected help from an old friend.
A new lead that promises a safe haven from the Undead leads them to Los Angeles, but when they arrive the city is overrun by thousands of Undead and Alice and her comrades are about to step into a deadly trap.[/i]
The dude from Prison Break,Wentworth Miller,is supposedly playing Chris Redfield…but how significant can they make his character with a storyline that focuses on the director’s baby-mama? We shall see…either way…I hope this is the last movie. I’m tired of Milla Jovovich/Alice/UltraViolet character.