I don’t really want to sleep with middle-aged women either. When you said you just aren’t attracted to them, I was thinking the same exact thing. Simpatico.
I’d like to make a suggestion though. If you go the celibacy route, you might want to change your user name.
[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
I don’t really want to sleep with middle-aged women either. When you said you just aren’t attracted to them, I was thinking the same exact thing. Simpatico.
I’d like to make a suggestion though. If you go the celibacy route, you might want to change your user name. [/quote]
So my wife gives me shit that my wrinkles and gray hair make me distinguished and hers make her a “hag of epic proportions”.
She insists I’m full of shit when I tell her she is still very much banging…
But to the point, do you agree that men age into their looks, as in are goofy as hell up until they hit middle age, etc, and women are the opposite?
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
I don’t really want to sleep with middle-aged women either. When you said you just aren’t attracted to them, I was thinking the same exact thing. Simpatico.
I’d like to make a suggestion though. If you go the celibacy route, you might want to change your user name. [/quote]
So my wife gives me shit that my wrinkles and gray hair make me distinguished and hers make her a “hag of epic proportions”.
She insists I’m full of shit when I tell her she is still very much banging…
But to the point, do you agree that men age into their looks, as in are goofy as hell up until they hit middle age, etc, and women are the opposite?[/quote]
Younger men often look baby-faced to me. I’m more likely to think they are cute, but seldom HOT. Yes, IMO men tend to get more rugged looking, masculine with age - up to a point. I frequently see men in their 40’s and 50’s who are attractive to me, but rarely in their 70’s. Maybe that will change as I age, but my mom tells me it won’t. 
I love a beard or stubble face and so some of the younger guys who have them look more attractive to me because the beard hides the softness to their face. That’s funny, right?
If I look at pictures of Daniel Craig in his 20’s and what he looks like now in his 40’s, I think he’s more handsome now, and he has a lot of lines in his face. My husband looks better to me now with the gray in his beard and lines around his eyes than when I met him in his early 20’s.
Much like you and your wife, my husband tells me that I’m still beautiful, maybe more now than ever. Honestly, I doubt other men who don’t love me would say that, Beans. I turned a lot more heads when I was 19, even though I probably have a better body now than I did then. There’s a certain amount or rose-colored glasses that happens when you’ve loved someone for a long time, but it’s still a nice thing to hear. And hell, we’re both getting older together. There are worse things.
Up and I were recently talking about this on my log. In our 40’s, a lot of woman look younger in the face with a little more body fat. We tend to look better just a bit softer now that we’re getting older. So I can choose between having a bangin’ booty or a prettier face. 
Asian women tend to take better care of their skin, and they are blessed with good genetics when it comes to skin.
Long answer to your short question.
And yes, I understand why SM is attracted to beautiful younger women. I think nearly everybody appreciates the glow of youth. A beautiful woman is a work of art. No homo.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
So my wife gives me shit that my wrinkles and gray hair make me distinguished and hers make her a “hag of epic proportions”.
She insists I’m full of shit when I tell her she is still very much banging…
But to the point, do you agree that men age into their looks, as in are goofy as hell up until they hit middle age, etc, and women are the opposite?[/quote]
To your point, I don’t think you can generalize like that. As with women, some men age well and others don’t. And, as with women it has a lot to do with how much you take care of yourself. Aging in itself doesn’t make someone an old man or a hag as much as letting ones self go, in terms of style as well as health and fitness. The most attractive older people I know always seems to know not only how to keep themselves looking healthy but dressing and grooming themselves well (along with of course carrying themselves well). We’ve all known the guy who has a super young face if you look closely but dresses and carries himself like and old man.
As for your wife and you…something special happens when you grow old together that I don’t think you view each other as superficially. Personally, it’s been 20 years but my guy looks physically the same to me as he did when we met. If I take a critical view I know that’s not the case, but generally I don’t see the lines or the gray but I see the eyes and lips I’ve always known.
I’m not pro or anti divorce or monogamy or anything like that but it’s a shame there are a lot of people who won’t have that because they didn’t stick around to grow old with a best friend. I know quite a few guys who have missed the boat and will probably be alone most of the rest of their lives, unless they start looking at women instead of girls, or move to Asia. For some reason, anecdotally, it’s not the same with women. They almost all seem to find someone and those that don’t, it’s by choice.
[quote]kpsnap wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
In my estimation, intellectual and sexual compatibility trump all else.
[/quote]
Couldn’t agree more. Nothing is sexier than a keen intellect. [/quote]
I seem to recall that
[quote]kpsnap wrote
God, you’ve got a keen intellect.[/quote]
over on Kneedragger’s thread last January, in response to my quip about curiosity, faith, and the search for vs. the possession of truth.
In which case, thank you.
[quote]2busy wrote:
Does having a good memory count?
[/quote]
It doesn’t hurt.
[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
I don’t really want to sleep with middle-aged women either. When you said you just aren’t attracted to them, I was thinking the same exact thing. Simpatico.
I’d like to make a suggestion though. If you go the celibacy route, you might want to change your user name. [/quote]
PowerPuff wins this thread.
[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:
Salient?[/quote]
Yeah, it really is simple biology. If you eliminate the long term love/companionship angle (as SM has in his premise), I would posit the overwhelming majority of guys of any age, if their being honest,will be drawn to women in those prime child bearing years. It only stands to reason, really. Not creepy, just hard wired in.
As men don’t demonstrate a corresponding decline in their ability to procreate/ increase in complications, it also stands to reason that our sigh SMV would stay higher for longer. Furthermore, given that we generally become more financially stable, competent, confident and socially powerful (e.g. more able to protect/provide) as we age, our sweet spots tend to stretch out all that much further, especially if we make an effort to retain out physical vigour. That’s hard wired in as well, whether the woman is consciously looking for a protector/provider or not.
These are all, of course, generalizations, your mileage may vary etc, etc, but I expect it holds true more often than not. It’s all a bit PUA 101 really, as much as I hate to say so.
[quote]debraD wrote:
I don’t think you can generalize like that. [/quote]
That sucks all the fun out of it.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]debraD wrote:
I don’t think you can generalize like that. [/quote]
That sucks all the fun out of it. [/quote]
Indeed. Half the posters on this site would have nothing to say if they weren’t allowed to make sweeping generalizations.
[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:
Salient?[/quote]
My wife & I dodged 1 in 80 and 1 in 40 and I have to confess, I’m one paranoid MFer.
[quote]batman730 wrote:
[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:
Salient?[/quote]
Yeah, it really is simple biology. If you eliminate the long term love/companionship angle (as SM has in his premise), I would posit the overwhelming majority of guys of any age, if their being honest,will be drawn to women in those prime child bearing years. It only stands to reason, really. Not creepy, just hard wired in.
As men don’t demonstrate a corresponding decline in their ability to procreate/ increase in complications, it also stands to reason that our sigh SMV would stay higher for longer. Furthermore, given that we generally become more financially stable, competent, confident and socially powerful (e.g. more able to protect/provide) as we age, our sweet spots tend to stretch out all that much further, especially if we make an effort to retain out physical vigour. That’s hard wired in as well, whether the woman is consciously looking for a protector/provider or not.
These are all, of course, generalizations, your mileage may vary etc, etc, but I expect it holds true more often than not. It’s all a bit PUA 101 really, as much as I hate to say so.
[/quote]
Let me join you in hating to say that they also have a point when they say that women are more emotionally driven than men. For the question at hand, this means that men are advantaged as they age by women’s tendency to value intangibles in a relationship. Women don’t care as much about loose skin and extra pounds. They care that the smile indicates humor, etc.
Men value intangibles, too, but they don’t prioritize them in the same way when looking to begin a relationship.
[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
I don’t really want to sleep with middle-aged women either. When you said you just aren’t attracted to them, I was thinking the same exact thing. Simpatico.
I’d like to make a suggestion though. If you go the celibacy route, you might want to change your user name. [/quote]
So my wife gives me shit that my wrinkles and gray hair make me distinguished and hers make her a “hag of epic proportions”.
She insists I’m full of shit when I tell her she is still very much banging…
But to the point, do you agree that men age into their looks, as in are goofy as hell up until they hit middle age, etc, and women are the opposite?[/quote]
Younger men often look baby-faced to me. I’m more likely to think they are cute, but seldom HOT. Yes, IMO men tend to get more rugged looking, masculine with age - up to a point. I frequently see men in their 40’s and 50’s who are attractive to me, but rarely in their 70’s. Maybe that will change as I age, but my mom tells me it won’t.
I love a beard or stubble face and so some of the younger guys who have them look more attractive to me because the beard hides the softness to their face. That’s funny, right?
If I look at pictures of Daniel Craig in his 20’s and what he looks like now in his 40’s, I think he’s more handsome now, and he has a lot of lines in his face. My husband looks better to me now with the gray in his beard and lines around his eyes than when I met him in his early 20’s.
Much like you and your wife, my husband tells me that I’m still beautiful, maybe more now than ever. Honestly, I doubt other men who don’t love me would say that, Beans. I turned a lot more heads when I was 19, even though I probably have a better body now than I did then. There’s a certain amount or rose-colored glasses that happens when you’ve loved someone for a long time, but it’s still a nice thing to hear. And hell, we’re both getting older together. There are worse things.
Up and I were recently talking about this on my log. In our 40’s, a lot of woman look younger in the face with a little more body fat. We tend to look better just a bit softer now that we’re getting older. So I can choose between having a bangin’ booty or a prettier face. Asian women tend to take better care of their skin, and they are blessed with good genetics when it comes to skin.
Long answer to your short question.
And yes, I understand why SM is attracted to beautiful younger women. I think nearly everybody appreciates the glow of youth. A beautiful woman is a work of art. No homo.
[/quote]
I didn’t realize how true that was until recently when I started to get a few gray hairs in my beard. Very surprised actually. I’d hate gray hair in a woman.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
I’ve met Ken Ham and I’ve met you. Know you much better. Like you much better. While Ken Ham and I could never enjoy the friendship you and I have he could tie you in a knot so quick regarding this subject it’d take a team of your Japanese students equipped with needle-nose pliers a week to get you out of your predicament. In other words he’d “assify” you in a heartbeat; you’d never stand a chance.
I don’t automatically assume you’re bad-mouthing all of Christianity based on a couple of comments in this thread; I conclude it based on years of Christianity bashing by you on T-N. I understand why – those who’ve lost their faith often become the harshest critics of it. They can be merciless in their hate and disdain. You’ll most certainly claim otherwise but the evidence is as bright as the rising sun and abundant as sagebrush under the big sky.
Anyway, its looking more promising that I can come visit you in the coming months. I wish you the very best, my non-celibate friend. Give Cortes my fondest regards.[/quote]
Very glad to hear it. Can’t wait to see you again.
I have no hatred for Christians or Christianity. Well, maybe except for the ones in Alexandria who burned the library and murdered Hypatia, but by and large I don’t mind Christians who just go about their business, and stay out of mine. This goes for Muslims, Hindus, Mormons, Buddhists, Jews and atheists as well. Any disdain I may have is directed not at the people themselves, but rather at the wacky shit their belief systems make them do, say and think.
I’ve never met Ken Ham, but I’ve seen him in a number of presentations and debates. Needless to say I have been consistently underwhelmed by his “arguments”.
Looks as if his theme park is going though hard times, as well. What a shame.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]debraD wrote:
I don’t think you can generalize like that. [/quote]
That sucks all the fun out of it. [/quote]
Indeed. Half the posters on this site would have nothing to say if they weren’t allowed to make sweeping generalizations.[/quote]
I giggled.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
I don’t really want to sleep with middle-aged women either. When you said you just aren’t attracted to them, I was thinking the same exact thing. Simpatico.
I’d like to make a suggestion though. If you go the celibacy route, you might want to change your user name. [/quote]
So my wife gives me shit that my wrinkles and gray hair make me distinguished and hers make her a “hag of epic proportions”.
She insists I’m full of shit when I tell her she is still very much banging…
But to the point, do you agree that men age into their looks, as in are goofy as hell up until they hit middle age, etc, and women are the opposite?[/quote]
Younger men often look baby-faced to me. I’m more likely to think they are cute, but seldom HOT. Yes, IMO men tend to get more rugged looking, masculine with age - up to a point. I frequently see men in their 40’s and 50’s who are attractive to me, but rarely in their 70’s. Maybe that will change as I age, but my mom tells me it won’t.
I love a beard or stubble face and so some of the younger guys who have them look more attractive to me because the beard hides the softness to their face. That’s funny, right?
If I look at pictures of Daniel Craig in his 20’s and what he looks like now in his 40’s, I think he’s more handsome now, and he has a lot of lines in his face. My husband looks better to me now with the gray in his beard and lines around his eyes than when I met him in his early 20’s.
Much like you and your wife, my husband tells me that I’m still beautiful, maybe more now than ever. Honestly, I doubt other men who don’t love me would say that, Beans. I turned a lot more heads when I was 19, even though I probably have a better body now than I did then. There’s a certain amount or rose-colored glasses that happens when you’ve loved someone for a long time, but it’s still a nice thing to hear. And hell, we’re both getting older together. There are worse things.
Up and I were recently talking about this on my log. In our 40’s, a lot of woman look younger in the face with a little more body fat. We tend to look better just a bit softer now that we’re getting older. So I can choose between having a bangin’ booty or a prettier face. Asian women tend to take better care of their skin, and they are blessed with good genetics when it comes to skin.
Long answer to your short question.
And yes, I understand why SM is attracted to beautiful younger women. I think nearly everybody appreciates the glow of youth. A beautiful woman is a work of art. No homo.
[/quote]
I didn’t realize how true that was until recently when I started to get a few gray hairs in my beard. Very surprised actually. I’d hate gray hair in a woman.[/quote]
Well, I’m fortunate to be so petite and still have my natural hair color, but hey - it’s not so hard to become a blond, or a redhead… That will be another phase I guess - Finding out if blonds have more fun.
To clarify - This reflects my opinions about men from about age 30 up. When I was in college, I was looking at the men in college - men my age or just a few years older. I was NOT looking at the professors.
About aging and women - I’d echo what Deb and K. and Em have said. I see a lot of middle-aged women who really take care of themselves in my area, and I have friends who are still gorgeous. Look at Heather Graham, Sophia Vegara, Jennifer Connelly - All close in age to me and still beautiful, IMO.
And to point out the obvious, there’s more to long-term attraction than appearance. Particularly when you find someone close in age to you and then grow old together. When you associate that person with warmth, or love, or attraction over many years, you kind of keep thinking of them that way. It’s a conditioning type of thing. And often with more layers and depth over time. That’s my theory, anyway.
Women age like milk, men age like wine.
For every attractive women over the age of 40, there are probably 5000 who are gross and gave up on life. Specifically theyre fat, and that’s gross. Being fit goes a long ways when factoring attractiveness.
Thing is, most guys are out of shape and boring. They’re also too afraid to hit on a random girl in public.
If you stay in shape, become decently successful, are fun to be around and aren’t afraid to hit on strange women in public you’ll be ahead 80% of guys out there.
Look at the average dude, he’s in a LTR by age 30 and basically lets himself go after that.
