[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Individuals can do labor and have rights. Groups can’t do labor, can’t think, can’t run and jump and have no rights.[/quote]
Groups are doing labor as we speak. From the group in the stock room, to the group on the assembly line, to the sales team. [/quote]
Funny, sounds like you are talking about individual people doing work within an abstract framework you are labeling “group”.[/quote]
It’s not abstract, it’s concrete. The group is doing work.[/quote]
No it is not. EVERY single minute action is being taken by an individual. Not one action has even been made by a collective. Because a collective has no body, no brain, no conscience. It is ONLY a label for multiple individuals. It is nothing more than a lingual shortcut to refer to specific individuals. It is easier to say “I hate the Yankees” than to list out all the individuals I hate.
Also, anyone who would argue that food and shelter for slaves is a benefit might want to consider this: there were a lot of slaves who felt that anything that kept them alive longer, especially well before the Civil War when there wasn’t any sort of major movement to free them, was hardly beneficial to them. Only to their owners was it beneficial.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Individuals can do labor and have rights. Groups can’t do labor, can’t think, can’t run and jump and have no rights.[/quote]
Groups are doing labor as we speak. From the group in the stock room, to the group on the assembly line, to the sales team. [/quote]
Funny, sounds like you are talking about individual people doing work within an abstract framework you are labeling “group”.[/quote]
It’s not abstract, it’s concrete. The group is doing work.[/quote]
No it is not. EVERY single minute action is being taken by an individual. Not one action has even been made by a collective. Because a collective has no body, no brain, no conscience. It is ONLY a label for multiple individuals. It is nothing more than a lingual shortcut to refer to specific individuals. It is easier to say “I hate the Yankees” than to list out all the individuals I hate.[/quote]
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Individuals can do labor and have rights. Groups can’t do labor, can’t think, can’t run and jump and have no rights.[/quote]
Groups are doing labor as we speak. From the group in the stock room, to the group on the assembly line, to the sales team. [/quote]
Funny, sounds like you are talking about individual people doing work within an abstract framework you are labeling “group”.[/quote]
It’s not abstract, it’s concrete. The group is doing work.[/quote]
No it is not. EVERY single minute action is being taken by an individual. Not one action has even been made by a collective. Because a collective has no body, no brain, no conscience. It is ONLY a label for multiple individuals. It is nothing more than a lingual shortcut to refer to specific individuals. It is easier to say “I hate the Yankees” than to list out all the individuals I hate.[/quote]
Does an individual build the entire car for GM?[/quote]
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Also, anyone who would argue that food and shelter for slaves is a benefit might want to consider this: there were a lot of slaves who felt that anything that kept them alive longer, especially well before the Civil War when there wasn’t any sort of major movement to free them, was hardly beneficial to them. Only to their owners was it beneficial.[/quote]
A lot of taxpayers feel that way too, for one reason or another.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
BUT i do believe self ownership to be a natural right and you can logically build other property rights on that.[/quote]
Sure, including collective-communitarian property rights.[/quote]
No, because they violate self ownership.[/quote]
Individually owned private property violates self-ownership. I didn’t consent to beautiful seascape that noone created to being privately owned and dotted up with houses and tacky little storefronts. I’d like to walk that land, camp on that land, that noone one created without being threatened with loitering.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
BUT i do believe self ownership to be a natural right and you can logically build other property rights on that.[/quote]
Sure, including collective-communitarian property rights.[/quote]
No, because they violate self ownership.[/quote]
Individually owned private property violates self-ownership. I didn’t consent to beautiful seascape that noone created to being privately owned and dotted up with houses and tacky little storefronts. I’d like to walk that land, camp on that land, that noone one created without being threatened with loitering.[/quote]
Depends on how the land was acquired. If you lived there and they came and kicked you off, then yes, it violated your self ownership. If you just don’t like what others are doing, then no, it does not.
In fact, you walking over to where others live an stopping them from doing what they want is what violates self ownership.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I is the term for an individual and an individual’s actions.
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Excellent. Now explain to me the irony? See, I haven’t argued that AREN’T made up of individuals. But no, I can’t replace the sales team with one individual. I need a sales team, but I can replace an individual.
And once more. Does an individual build the entire car for GM?