Catholic Q & A

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
He’s referring to the theological implications of the stain of mortal sin on a priest’s soul and his ability to perform the Sacraments (Eucharist, Confession, &c.) validly. I didn’t fully delve into the topic, because I don’t know the details beyond ‘because of the mystery of what we call ‘in persona Christi’ it is not by the power of the priest in which the Eucharist, Confession, &c. is done, it is by the power of Jesus in which those things are done.’

As in, it is by Jesus and not the priest’s state or strength that the Eucharist is valid, by Jesus and not the priest is confession valid. That is something protestants have a problem with is, confession. My first question for them is where does the Bible say to confess our sins to G-d directly and not to man. Second, they believe that we think that by the power of the priest the confession is valid. It’s not, G-d chooses weak people to do his work, so I doubt any priest, especially people like Pope B16 and John the Great have the power on their own.

See the weaker the person is, the more G-d builds them up. People ask me all the time how come I’m so good at this or that…because G-d couldn’t find anyone worse. There by the grace of G-d.[/quote]

It seems like the church is solving issues based on the presumption that perfection/being Christ Like is not attainable. Your comment that G-d couldn’t find anyone worse seems to imply this notion further. I understand that humility is a virtue, but dose anyone believe that it is possible to live without sin, or is forgiveness by G-d always necessary even in the cases of Ordained Saints? Would Christ give us a task that we cannot possibly succeed at while alive?

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
He’s referring to the theological implications of the stain of mortal sin on a priest’s soul and his ability to perform the Sacraments (Eucharist, Confession, &c.) validly. I didn’t fully delve into the topic, because I don’t know the details beyond ‘because of the mystery of what we call ‘in persona Christi’ it is not by the power of the priest in which the Eucharist, Confession, &c. is done, it is by the power of Jesus in which those things are done.’

As in, it is by Jesus and not the priest’s state or strength that the Eucharist is valid, by Jesus and not the priest is confession valid. That is something protestants have a problem with is, confession. My first question for them is where does the Bible say to confess our sins to G-d directly and not to man. Second, they believe that we think that by the power of the priest the confession is valid. It’s not, G-d chooses weak people to do his work, so I doubt any priest, especially people like Pope B16 and John the Great have the power on their own.

See the weaker the person is, the more G-d builds them up. People ask me all the time how come I’m so good at this or that…because G-d couldn’t find anyone worse. There by the grace of G-d.[/quote]

It seems like the church is solving issues based on the presumption that perfection/being Christ Like is not attainable. Your comment that G-d couldn’t find anyone worse seems to imply this notion further. I understand that humility is a virtue, but dose anyone believe that it is possible to live without sin, or is forgiveness by G-d always necessary even in the cases of Ordained Saints? Would Christ give us a task that we cannot possibly succeed at while alive? [/quote]

Perhaps a partial response. If not, at least educational-the life of Saint Mary of Egypt is read on the week before holy week as a preparation for new Christians who would be baptized on Holy Saturday.

http://ocafs.oca.org/FeastSaintsViewer.asp?SID=4&ID=1&FSID=18

With the protestants I agree that you have to have “faith” to repent. You must believe that you can be forgiven but you still must repent and do so for your whole life. The reason is that the fallen material world including human flesh is defective. Prayer, fasting, and the sacraments are a continual “workout” to make the mind and body capable of discerning and completing God’s will more and more consistently. The bible says “be perfect, as your Father in Heaven is perfect” but the actual Greek verb is "be ‘becoming’ ever more perfect, as your Father in Heaven IS perfect.

Confession and Communion and other sacraments also help us because when we sin, we change our brains. When one looks at pornography, it affects the way we look at other people, or our relationships with others. If we smoke cigarettes and destroy the image of Christ in us, we pollute the body. If we give in to idle talk, we condition ourselves away from contemplating the divine.

And for those who claim faith, how do you know that you will have faith when you are dead and you have no brain and no body to fall down in repentance with? No breath to say a prayer? You must prepare the mind and the body so that when you die, and are left senseless, and confused your spiritual training will lead you easily and fearlessly to Jesus.

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
He’s referring to the theological implications of the stain of mortal sin on a priest’s soul and his ability to perform the Sacraments (Eucharist, Confession, &c.) validly. I didn’t fully delve into the topic, because I don’t know the details beyond ‘because of the mystery of what we call ‘in persona Christi’ it is not by the power of the priest in which the Eucharist, Confession, &c. is done, it is by the power of Jesus in which those things are done.’

As in, it is by Jesus and not the priest’s state or strength that the Eucharist is valid, by Jesus and not the priest is confession valid. That is something protestants have a problem with is, confession. My first question for them is where does the Bible say to confess our sins to G-d directly and not to man. Second, they believe that we think that by the power of the priest the confession is valid. It’s not, G-d chooses weak people to do his work, so I doubt any priest, especially people like Pope B16 and John the Great have the power on their own.

See the weaker the person is, the more G-d builds them up. People ask me all the time how come I’m so good at this or that…because G-d couldn’t find anyone worse. There by the grace of G-d.[/quote]

It seems like the church is solving issues based on the presumption that perfection/being Christ Like is not attainable. Your comment that G-d couldn’t find anyone worse seems to imply this notion further. I understand that humility is a virtue, but dose anyone believe that it is possible to live without sin, or is forgiveness by G-d always necessary even in the cases of Ordained Saints? Would Christ give us a task that we cannot possibly succeed at while alive? [/quote]

Is it possible to live and sin no more, sure, not probable, but possible.

If you fuck up, forgiveness from God is necessary, but what’s more important is the relationship you have with him.

Does God give you tasks you cannot possibly succeed at, no. It may feel like it, but his will, will be done, whether your aware of it or not. You can choose to be with him or reject him, but want God wills to happen through your existence will, whether you like it or are aware of it.

One of my favorite sayings is “Maybe the purpose of you life is to be a warning to others”

[quote]mertdawg wrote:
Perhaps a partial response. If not, at least educational-the life of Saint Mary of Egypt is read on the week before holy week as a preparation for new Christians who would be baptized on Holy Saturday.

http://ocafs.oca.org/FeastSaintsViewer.asp?SID=4&ID=1&FSID=18

With the protestants I agree that you have to have “faith” to repent. You must believe that you can be forgiven but you still must repent and do so for your whole life. The reason is that the fallen material world including human flesh is defective. Prayer, fasting, and the sacraments are a continual “workout” to make the mind and body capable of discerning and completing God’s will more and more consistently. The bible says “be perfect, as your Father in Heaven is perfect” but the actual Greek verb is "be ‘becoming’ ever more perfect, and your Father in Heaven IS perfect.

Confession and Communion and other sacraments also help us because when we sin, we change our brains. When one looks at pornography, it affects the way we look at other people, or our relationships with others. If we smoke cigarettes and destroy the image of Christ in us, we pollute the body. If we give in to idle talk, we condition ourselves away from contemplating the divine.

And for those who claim faith, how do you know that you will have faith when you are dead and you have no brain and no body to fall down in repentance with? No breath to say a prayer? You must prepare the mind and the body so that when you die, and are left senseless, and confused your spiritual training will lead you easily and fearlessly to Jesus.

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Thank you. I read the story of Saint Mary.

How strange it is that we are having this dialog over the internet and on a Body Building forum no the less.

so how come this Catholic nun type lady showed up at my doctor’s appointment in Wilmington, DE and was waiting outside for me?

then she was waiting for me when I went to my health insurance appointment in New Castle?

then she would go to the football field at 10pm where I trained in Claymont when no one was ever there except her for months?

and how come she after a while of just showing up places finally flashed this white cross type badge thing at me that was under her vest?

and what about the other dude that did this stuff from 2006-2008 before she took over? and also flashed the white cross badge thing?

are they my friends?

[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
It seems like the church is solving issues based on the presumption that perfection/being Christ Like is not attainable.[/quote]

It is attainable (by the grace of G-d), but we have to be mature enough to remember that we live in our fallen state and that we’re susceptible to concupiscence. So, even though it is never okay to live in sin, to think that no one will ever commit a sin again is foolish, G-d isn’t your genie. You can’t just get baptized and all of a sudden you have no more temptations.

How? Those who are the weakest are usually the Holiest. That’s because G-d can do more work through them then someone that is strong.

[quote]
I understand that humility is a virtue, but dose anyone believe that it is possible to live without sin, or is forgiveness by G-d always necessary even in the cases of Ordained Saints?[/quote]

Except for few exceptions, no. Repent and be baptized. This is because of Original Sin and concupiscence. Yes, live without sin, but not before forgiveness. Ordained Saints, you mean canonized Saints? Yes, even the Blessed Mother needed the redemption of Jesus, and she was free of Original Sin.

Matters what you mean, but we have to remember that we can do all things in him who strengthens us.

[quote]mertdawg wrote:
If we smoke cigarettes
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I don’t get this, what are you talking about.

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]mertdawg wrote:
If we smoke cigarettes
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I don’t get this, what are you talking about.[/quote]

Smoking is not on the big list of sins, but it is not what we were made for. If I am in the image of Christ and I destroy that image with cigarettes, self mutilation, letting my mind fall from grace to “addiction”, its not “becoming more perfect” is it? I would say that we don’t consider a single act of smoking a cigarette to be a sin, but letting yourself become obsessed with anything, putting anything in the place of God is less than ideal.

[quote]newbatman wrote:
so how come this Catholic nun type lady showed up at my doctor’s appointment in Wilmington, DE and was waiting outside for me?

then she was waiting for me when I went to my health insurance appointment in New Castle?

then she would go to the football field at 10pm where I trained in Claymont when no one was ever there except her for months?

and how come she after a while of just showing up places finally flashed this white cross type badge thing at me that was under her vest?

and what about the other dude that did this stuff from 2006-2008 before she took over? and also flashed the white cross badge thing?

are they my friends?[/quote]

I am not sure what you’re talking about.

[quote]mertdawg wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]mertdawg wrote:
If we smoke cigarettes
[/quote]

I don’t get this, what are you talking about.[/quote]

Smoking is not on the big list of sins, but it is not what we were made for. If I am in the image of Christ and I destroy that image with cigarettes, self mutilation, letting my mind fall from grace to “addiction”, its not “becoming more perfect” is it? I would say that we don’t consider a single act of smoking a cigarette to be a sin, but letting yourself become obsessed with anything, putting anything in the place of God is less than ideal. [/quote]

Okay. You bring up self-mutilation. Do you see a difference between self-mutilation and mortification of the flesh?

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]mertdawg wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]mertdawg wrote:
If we smoke cigarettes
[/quote]

I don’t get this, what are you talking about.[/quote]

Smoking is not on the big list of sins, but it is not what we were made for. If I am in the image of Christ and I destroy that image with cigarettes, self mutilation, letting my mind fall from grace to “addiction”, its not “becoming more perfect” is it? I would say that we don’t consider a single act of smoking a cigarette to be a sin, but letting yourself become obsessed with anything, putting anything in the place of God is less than ideal. [/quote]

Okay. You bring up self-mutilation. Do you see a difference between self-mutilation and mortification of the flesh?[/quote]

Short answer for now, yes, the same difference as eating and gluttony, sex and sexual perversion, but self mortification can be sinful too. Orthodoxy does not allow anything that disfigures the body, but the definition of disfiguring may be debatable. No tearing of the flesh.

[quote]mertdawg wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]mertdawg wrote:
If we smoke cigarettes
[/quote]

I don’t get this, what are you talking about.[/quote]

Smoking is not on the big list of sins, but it is not what we were made for. If I am in the image of Christ and I destroy that image with cigarettes, self mutilation, letting my mind fall from grace to “addiction”, its not “becoming more perfect” is it? I would say that we don’t consider a single act of smoking a cigarette to be a sin, but letting yourself become obsessed with anything, putting anything in the place of God is less than ideal. [/quote]

Smoking is not a sin, drinking is not a sin, lots of shit you were led to believe are sins are not. It is a deception, it’s a plot to encourage people to give up. There is a cautiousness by some religious, but that is based on fear.
What a sin would be is to seek your own destruction willfully.
Intent is almost everything when it come to sin. Honest intent. You cannot willfully commit evil even if you think it will achieve good.

What matters the most is your relationship with Christ. Not what a secular source or religion tells you it should be but what it actually is.
Religion is a means, not an end. Before you worry to much about rules and regulations, and various interpretations of them, ask the source. Ask God himself.
If you present your case openly and honestly, you will be responded to in kind. If I am wrong, let me “be anathema”.

[quote]mertdawg wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]mertdawg wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]mertdawg wrote:
If we smoke cigarettes
[/quote]

I don’t get this, what are you talking about.[/quote]

Smoking is not on the big list of sins, but it is not what we were made for. If I am in the image of Christ and I destroy that image with cigarettes, self mutilation, letting my mind fall from grace to “addiction”, its not “becoming more perfect” is it? I would say that we don’t consider a single act of smoking a cigarette to be a sin, but letting yourself become obsessed with anything, putting anything in the place of God is less than ideal. [/quote]

Okay. You bring up self-mutilation. Do you see a difference between self-mutilation and mortification of the flesh?[/quote]

Short answer for now, yes, the same difference as eating and gluttony, sex and sexual perversion, but self mortification can be sinful too. Orthodoxy does not allow anything that disfigures the body, but the definition of disfiguring may be debatable. No tearing of the flesh.[/quote]

Catholicism does not allow the disfiguring of the body either. Just checking you. Seeing if you recognize the difference. I loved the reaction to John the Great’s habitual mortification of the flesh.

I keep this opinion to myself most of the time, but I think that the lack of mortification of the flesh is the reason for the masse of the people of G-d living in sin. People have seemed to forget two things about being a Christian, the Real Presence and mortification of the flesh. Everyone’s a nice person, but nice isn’t what we’re called to be. We are called to be kind and gentle, but we’re first called to die to the world even if we live in the world.

I wanted to post this, so maybe people will understand more deeply why I am Catholic and why I will never leave the Eucharist (so much so that I routinely run late in the morning because of my Holy hour that is usually more like a Holy hour and a half. I don’t blame you for thinking I’m crazy, the Crucifix and the Eucharist is a stumbling block as Jesus himself was to the Jews.

[quote]The central problem of the Church today is that most of the generation now becoming adults simply do not know Jesus Christ.

“We do,” said John.

“Your Church teaches that he is really present there, yes? That what’s there is the man who was God?”

“Yes. The formula is ‘Body and blood, soul and divinity.’”

“And you believe that?”

“Yes.”

Isa made as if to say something, but stifled it. John assured him he would not be offended.

Finally, reluctantly, Isa said, “I don’t understand.”

“I understand how you feel. It sounds very shocking.”

“No, you don’t understand. That’s not what I mean. You will take it as an insult, but I don’t mean it to be.”

“I promise I won’t take it as an insult. But I really want to know what’s on your mind.”

“Well then. . . . I don’t think you really do believe that. I don’t mean to say you’re dishonest, but . . . .”

“I think I know what you mean. You can’t empathize with anyone who believes something so shocking. You don’t see how you could ever get down on your knees before that altar.”

“No, I don’t see how I could ever get up. If I believed that thing that looks like a little round piece of bread was really Allah Himself, I think I would just faint. I would fall at His feet like a dead man.”

John looked carefully at my reaction as he reported Isa’s words. My eyes opened, and he smiled. “What did you say to him?” I asked.

“Nothing. Then, after a while, just ‘Yes.’”

John is a wise man.

Culture Clash

This story got me thinking about the ills of our culture both outside and inside the Church. Every American knows our culture is in crisis. And every Catholic knows that the crisis has infected the Church as well as the world. But what is the root of the disease – Liberalism vs. Conservatism, Newchurch vs. Oldchurch? Yes, but that is only the formal structure of every conflict – new vs. old.

Is it infidelity vs. fidelity, then? “Fidelity” – to the “deposit of faith” – adds both a personal dimension of moral responsibility and a theological dimension of content to “conservatism.” But this is not enough; we must ask what part of the “deposit of faith” is in peril. It seems to be the supernatural. Modernism, the master heresy of the modern era (as Gnosticism was to the ancient era), is essentially the denial of the supernatural: It means reducing God to goodness, Christ to a good man, the Holy Spirit to something like “school spirit,” scripture to man’s word about God instead of God’s word about man, and divine institutions to human ones. Is that the deepest source of the crisis, then?

No, it goes even deeper. Even the destruction of Modernism would still only be a victory of doctrine. As St. Thomas Aquinas says, the primary object of faith is a reality, not a proposition (though propositions are indispensable). Not the proposition “God exists” but God; not the doctrine of the Resurrection but the reality of the Resurrection; not the creeds about Christ but the real presence of Christ, is the crux and crisis. It is a crisis of Christlessness.

“Real presence” is impossible to conceptualize, for it is not a “what” at all, but the “thereness,” or “hereness,” of the “what”; not essence but existence. It must be shown, not defined. Whenever God shows up in scripture, it is His real presence that makes all the difference. Job’s three friends talked about God as if He were absent, but Job talked to Him, however confusedly, for his faith was in God’s presence. That faith was rewarded when God appeared to Job but not to his friends and approved Job’s speeches, not theirs.

Throughout the Gospels we find Jesus constantly doing just that: showing the difference between mere concepts and real presence. He did it when He proved the Resurrection to the skeptical Sadducees on the basis of the first five books of Moses alone (which was all that they accepted as divine authority), by connecting three names for Himself that God had revealed to Moses: “I AM WHO AM,” “the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob,” and “the God not of the dead but of the living.” “For all live to Him,” He concluded (Luke 21:38).

He did it when He berated the Pharisees, with ironic humor, for keeping their noses in their books instead of looking to Him – the book was wholly about Him! (John 5:39-40)

He did it in His parting words to His apostles, when He left them with the only thing powerful enough to transform the world: not comforting words about Him but His real presence: “Lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age.” (Matthew 28:20)

This is what transformed them from confused cowards into saints and martyrs. Instead of being shaken by the world, they would now shake the world. How? What converted the world’s longest-lived, successful, and hard-nosed dictatorship – the Roman Empire – into “Christendom”? Not just Christ’s theology or teaching, not just Christ’s morality or example, but Christ’s real presence, in His Body the Church and in His Spirit. And it was meant to continue.

A Long Retreat

Why has it stopped? Why are the Christian soldiers no longer marching onward but retreating?

Because we no longer understand this “real presence,” this difference between Christ abstract and Christ concrete; because we no longer understand St. Paul’s startling one-word definition of “wisdom,” “righteousness,” “sanctification,” and “redemption” given in I Corinthians: Christ. That is why his decision to “know nothing but Christ Jesus” to those sophisticated Corinthians was not a “know-nothing” anti-intellectualism or a minimalism, but a maximalism.

The crisis of faith in the Church is a crisis of faith in Christ’s real presence. The deepest root of the dullness and ineffectiveness of most parishes, laity, clergy, homilies, liturgies, music, catechesis, programs, and all the extra Martha-like activities, is not outright heresy or apostasy but simply remoteness – not, as the “liberals” say, the Church’s remoteness from “the people,” but from The Person.

Let’s ask ourselves honestly: Why have Evangelical, Fundamentalist, and Pentecostal Protestant sects and denominations been so much more successful throughout the Americas during the past generation? Why would a Catholic, who is in possession of the fullness of the faith, the full gospel, exchange it for a faith that is only partial? It is not primarily because of a disaffection for the things Catholics have and Protestants don’t – history, tradition, popes, saints, sacraments, etc. Rather, it is due to an affection for the one thing Catholics have but don’t know they have – in fact, the main thing Catholics have: Christ. These Catholics never knew Jesus Christ in the Church, but they did find Christ present in the souls and lives of Protestants.

Do you think I exaggerate? I teach philosophy at Boston College – one of the top Catholic universities in America. Eighty percent of my students are Catholics who have had twelve years of catechism. Yet when I ask them what they would say to God if they died tonight and were asked why they should go to Heaven, only one in 20 even mentions Jesus Christ. (Only one in 20 Evangelicals, Pentecostals, or Fundamentalists would not know that answer.) This is worse than a “problem;” this is an inexcusable scandal, an unmitigated disaster.

Ironically, the Church has a presence these Protestants do not even claim to have: an objective and perfect real presence in the Eucharist, worthy of worship, not just a subjective and imperfect presence in souls. Christ is really, truly, objectively, fully present in the Eucharist – hidden under the appearances of bread and wine – as He was in the streets of Nazareth or on the Cross.

And that’s what we’re neglecting!

The central problem of the Church today is that most of the generation now becoming adults – the generation educated by CCD texts full of deadly platitudes – simply do not know Jesus Christ. They are not merely unaware of right doctrine about Him (though that’s tragically missing too) but of Christ Himself, His real presence. Nothing less than Christ could have Christianized the world, nothing less than Christlessness has de-Christianized it, and nothing less than Christ can re-Christianize it. What happens when Christ’s real presence is known? Read the Gospels and find out. The Gospels are not mere historical records; they continue, they happen, for the One they present is not dead and gone and past but alive and here and now.

Where is He present now? In His Church. This means essentially two things. First, He is present in the Church’s sacraments, primarily in the Eucharist. Second, He is also present in the Church’s members, in the souls and lives of those who have believed in Him. What a tragedy that so many Protestants do not know that first presence! And what an equal tragedy that so many Catholics do not know the second!

What will happen if we also neglect the first? What sound will we hear to replace the great silence of eucharistic adoration? The same sound we hear from the National Council of Churches: the sound of coffins being built, the sound of dead logs falling.

And what will we hear if we rediscover His presence and adore Him? The same sound we hear in the Gospels: the sound of a blazing fire, the rattle of dry bones coming to life, the shouts of joy that ring through scripture and through the great old Protestant hymns.

Return to Joy

How do we get this joy back? Not by any gimmicks or human contrivance, but by recognizing the real presence and responding with adoration. And the primary place of the real presence is the Eucharist.

The primary reason for eucharistic adoration, however, is not the one we have been exploring so far: that it will bring passion and power and joy and life to us, our Church, and our world. Those are only incidentals! The primary reason must be to obey the primary moral rule, which I shall call Right Reality Response (the 3 R’s), or (in a single word) Realism. Adore Him because He is adorable, and present. Even if it didn’t save the world, the Church, or the soul, it would be the right thing to do, not just because of who we are, but because of who He is.

Right Reality Response is the ultimate basis for all morality. We must be moral because God commands it, of course; but also because it is good, or right; and it is good, or right, because it is true. And it works both ways: Not only do understanding and loving the truth lead to moral obedience, but obedience also leads to understanding the truth. Adoration trains us in the habit of seeing the Absolute as absolute and the relative as relative, instead of vice versa.

For in adoration we focus on Christ the center, and everything else then appears as it truly is: as a ray of light from that sun, the Son of God. We see the world in terms of Christ’s coordinates instead of looking at Christ in terms of the world’s coordinates. It is the great exercise in realism, since reality is Christocentric. Even this great mental benefit, or “payoff,” must not be our primary motive, however. If we adored the Adorable One for the sake of something else, we would really be worshipping the “something else” as the end and using God as the means. This would reverse the order of reality, treating the End as a means and the means as the end. God has left us clear instructions forbidding this: “Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness, and then all these other things will be added unto you.” He commands us to adore Him for His sake, not for our sake; but He does this for our sake, not for His sake. His glory is to be our concern; our glory is His concern. That is what love is: exchange.

A Conversation

What holds us back, then? What is the objection to eucharistic adoration?

It’s not that it’s hard or requires any special gifts or education. The only requirements are faith and love.

Perhaps it would be a good exercise for us to get our objections out in front of us by inventing an imaginary objector.

Our objector protests, “Although it is not hard in itself, it is hard for us, because our faith is weak. It is our nature to live by sight, not by faith.”

True. Our faith is smaller than a mustard seed. But faith is like a muscle. And this is a compelling reason for strengthening our faith by exercising it through adoration.

“How can we exercise a faith we don’t already have?”

That’s like the question: “How can I read a book entitled How To Read A Book? If I can read already, I don’t need to read that book, and if I can’t read already, I won’t be able to read that book.” We can read a little already, and reading that book will help us to read a lot better. So we have a little faith already, and we can adore a little bit; doing that will help us to have more faith and to adore better.

“Well, it’s still hard. It doesn’t look or feel like there’s anything there but bread. Why couldn’t God have come out with some visible miracle to make it easier for us?”

Because He wants to strengthen our faith, and wean us from relying on our senses and our own minds.

“Then why doesn’t He give us more interior highs, mystical experiences?”

Because He doesn’t want us to rely on our feelings either, but on faith. If we relied on what the saints call “sensible consolations,” we’d get a spiritual sweet tooth.

“Why is that so bad? It would make us happier.”

Because we are happiest when we are most like Him, when our happiness is the most like His and the least like the happiness of animals or addicts.

“But there’s such a distance! He is a simple, pure spirit. We are complex and material.”

That is why He gave us a world, and an Incarnation, and a Eucharist. But even in this complex world He trains us to be simple. Our faith grows by getting simpler, not more complex. The saints’ faith was simple. Remember St. Thomas’s Eucharistic hymn:

Sight, taste, and touch in Thee are each deceived; The ear alone most safely is believed. I believe all the Son of God has spoken; Than Truth’s own word there is no truer token.

A modern equivalent is: “God said it, I believe it, that settles it!”

“But how can sitting alone in an empty church address the urgent needs of a life and a society in chaos? It’s like fiddling while Rome burns.”

Your objection is very common, and very important. And my answer is not very commonly known or believed. Your objection assumes a whole “world-view” that is erroneous. We habitually see reality inside-out and upside-down. We see reality inside-out because we see matter as containing spirit instead of spirit as containing matter. We think of the material universe as the basic containing reality, and spirit as a tiny bit of light surrounded by an enormous quantity of matter, time, and space. But the whole universe is only a little hazelnut in God’s hand. That’s the vision God showed Lady Julian of Norwich: “He’s got the whole world in His hands.” That’s the true vision. Saints are not fools; they’re realists. We also habitually think of the soul as “in” the body instead of the body in the soul – as if a play were “in” its stage setting instead of the setting being “in” the play, as one of its dimensions.

We see reality upside-down because we think of earth as the foundation and Heaven as far away, “up there” somewhere, so religion becomes a kind of Tower of Babel reaching up. That’s upside-down, because the Church has its foundation in Heaven, and the New Jerusalem comes “down out of Heaven as a Bride adorned for her Husband,” according to Revelation. Heaven isn’t insubstantial; it’s far more substantial than earth. And God is not “watching us from a distance.” Heaven came to earth in Christ.

“But Christ ascended back to Heaven. He is in Heaven now.”

That does not mean He is not here. “Lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the age.”

“Is Christ in Heaven or not?”

Christ is not relative to Heaven, Heaven is relative to Christ. So Christ is not in Heaven, Heaven is in Christ, Heaven is wherever Christ is. And Christ is still here, in the Church and especially in the Eucharist. If you want to understand the Church, you have to see her as primarily a Heavenly reality.

“But the Church is a visible, earthly institution.”

It is primarily invisible, primarily Heavenly.

“That sounds Protestant.”

It is Catholic. It is the “mystical Body of Christ.”

“But how does that mean you can help the Church and the world by sitting in a dark building doing nothing?”

You can’t. But you can mightily help both by doing something: adoring Christ, who is really present there in the Eucharist.

“But what do you do when you adore?”

You let God do things. He forms our minds and hearts – if we give them to Him.

“That sounds Quietist, or Buddhist.”

Buddhists often understand the superior power of silence over speech, and of contemplation over action, better than Catholics do today. “By serving a cup of green tea, I stopped the war” – I’ll bet you don’t understand that saying, do you?

“No. It’s silly. How can drinking tea stop war?”

By changing souls, which are the sources of war. By touching the root, not the branches.

“What does that have to do with eucharistic adoration?”

There too we touch the root – the root of everything, Christ the Pantocrator. And when we touch this root – the root of all life – with our own root, our heart, we touch our candle to His fire. We touch a power infinitely greater than nuclear power, the sun, or the Big Bang.

“What power is that?”

The Blood and Body of Christ.

“Oh.”

Your responses are getting wiser.

“But we can’t just sit around adoring all day.”

Can you do it for one hour?

“There’s so much else to do. . . .”

Yes there is, and that’s why you can’t afford not to give God five loaves and two fishes of your time so that He can multiply it. He really does, you know. Because it’s His – time is His gift to us, and it’s precious to Him when we give it back to Him. Try it; you’ll like it. Everything will fall into place once you acknowledge the Center.

“You said earlier that we shouldn’t do it for the sake of its payoffs.”

No, but they will happen anyway, if we do it because it’s right.

“Suppose I don’t feel a great desire for this form of prayer.”

Then pray for the desire.

“You’ve got an answer for everything, don’t you?”

No, but He does. Unless Philippians 4:19 is a lie. Do you believe it is?

“No. . . .”

Then you believe it’s true.

“Yes.”

Then go. Do it.

“I have no more excuses.”

Then I’ll see you in church.

This article originally appeared in the March 1998 issue of Crisis Magazine.[/quote]

Link: What is Ripple All About?

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
I wanted to post this, so maybe people will understand more deeply why I am Catholic and why I will never leave the Eucharist (so much so that I routinely run late in the morning because of my Holy hour that is usually more like a Holy hour and a half. I don’t blame you for thinking I’m crazy, the Crucifix and the Eucharist is a stumbling block as Jesus himself was to the Jews.

Thanks for that, Chris. I love Peter Kreeft. Succeeded only by perhaps C.S.Lewis, he is more adept than any author I have encountered at writing accessible, precise, clear apologetics that are also highly entertaining reads for any layman. He’s a charming public speaker as well, with a razor sharp wit. Good stuff.

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< Link: What is Ripple All About? read every word. Holy precious Lord Jesus!!! That piece is positively erupting with truth that no person in whom dwells the Spirit of the living God would dare deny. Like I told Pat (the quintessential target of this article) several weeks ago when he and forlife were ganging up on me again. Jesus Christ of Nazareth did not HAVE a message. Of love or anything else. HE WAS AND IS THE MESSAGE in whom, to whom, by whom and for whom is the sum of ALL CREATION AND HISTORY. The heartbreakingly tragic thing is that what this man prescribes IS exactly the cause of the very deadness he so rightly and abundantly decries. I don’t have time now, but there are a few things I just have to comment further on in there.

You’re off in the swampy weeds Chris, but you’re meandering generally in the right direction and the path just might be visible from where you are.

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< Link: What is Ripple All About? read every word. Holy precious Lord Jesus!!! That piece is positively erupting with truth that no person in whom dwells the Spirit of the living God would dare deny. Like I told Pat (the quintessential target of this article) several weeks ago when he and forlife were ganging up on me again. Jesus Christ of Nazareth did not HAVE a message. Of love or anything else. HE WAS AND IS THE MESSAGE in whom, to whom, by whom and for whom is the sum of ALL CREATION AND HISTORY. The heartbreakingly tragic thing is that what this man prescribes IS exactly the cause of the very deadness he so rightly and abundantly decries. I don’t have time now, but there are a few things I just have to comment further on in there.

You’re off in the swampy weeds Chris, but you’re meandering generally in the right direction and the path just might be visible from where you are.[/quote]

What this man prescribes is right on, taken directly from scripture, unlike divine election…

Belief in divine election is spiritual death and a denial of God’s word.

Jesus did not have a message, he had many, including and especially his sacrifice.

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]mertdawg wrote:
If we smoke cigarettes
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I don’t get this, what are you talking about.[/quote]

Smoking is not on the big list of sins, but it is not what we were made for. If I am in the image of Christ and I destroy that image with cigarettes, self mutilation, letting my mind fall from grace to “addiction”, its not “becoming more perfect” is it? I would say that we don’t consider a single act of smoking a cigarette to be a sin, but letting yourself become obsessed with anything, putting anything in the place of God is less than ideal. [/quote]

Okay. You bring up self-mutilation. Do you see a difference between self-mutilation and mortification of the flesh?[/quote]

Short answer for now, yes, the same difference as eating and gluttony, sex and sexual perversion, but self mortification can be sinful too. Orthodoxy does not allow anything that disfigures the body, but the definition of disfiguring may be debatable. No tearing of the flesh.[/quote]

Catholicism does not allow the disfiguring of the body either. Just checking you. Seeing if you recognize the difference. I loved the reaction to John the Great’s habitual mortification of the flesh.

I keep this opinion to myself most of the time, but I think that the lack of mortification of the flesh is the reason for the masse of the people of G-d living in sin. People have seemed to forget two things about being a Christian, the Real Presence and mortification of the flesh. Everyone’s a nice person, but nice isn’t what we’re called to be. We are called to be kind and gentle, but we’re first called to die to the world even if we live in the world.[/quote]

I thought about this last night kneeling before the cross-on a nice soft carpeted floor and hearing the hymn: - YouTube. I remember visiting Romania where there are no seats or pews-people filling the Cathedral wall to wall and I remember kneeling on a stone floor and thinking that it was quite a different experience.

I will mention that in our tradition, fasting is much stricter. It is up to the individual to choose their “level” as it is considered to be spiritual exercise, but from the age of 7 there was no meat, dairy, or eggs in the house during lent. Fish was only allowed on a few Sunday’s. Oil and wine are excluded on certain days meaning to cooking with oil. We also will never eat before communion on Sunday and given an hour of matins and an hour and a half of Divine Liturgy, that typically occurs about 11:00 am giving new meaning to the term “break-fast”.

On the first week of lent and Good Friday, there is to be 1 meal of only boiled grains.

We would occasionally have cheese on someone’s birthday or annunciation although as for dairy our spiritual fathers typically only recommended us to read down the first 5 ingrediants on food items.

Plus we fast for 40 days before Christmas-at least from meat, and the time between Pentechost and the day of St. Peter and Paul, every Wednesday and Friday with one or two exceptions, the week before the Assumption, the day of the Beheading of John the Baptist.

I am not saying this to boast. It is a wonderful reward to fast.

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
I wanted to post this, so maybe people will understand more deeply why I am Catholic and why I will never leave the Eucharist (so much so that I routinely run late in the morning because of my Holy hour that is usually more like a Holy hour and a half. I don’t blame you for thinking I’m crazy, the Crucifix and the Eucharist is a stumbling block as Jesus himself was to the Jews.

This article originally appeared in the March 1998 issue of Crisis Magazine.[/quote]

Link: What is Ripple All About?

Excellent.

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< Link: What is Ripple All About? read every word. Holy precious Lord Jesus!!! That piece is positively erupting with truth that no person in whom dwells the Spirit of the living God would dare deny. Like I told Pat (the quintessential target of this article) several weeks ago when he and forlife were ganging up on me again. Jesus Christ of Nazareth did not HAVE a message. Of love or anything else. HE WAS AND IS THE MESSAGE in whom, to whom, by whom and for whom is the sum of ALL CREATION AND HISTORY. The heartbreakingly tragic thing is that what this man prescribes IS exactly the cause of the very deadness he so rightly and abundantly decries. I don’t have time now, but there are a few things I just have to comment further on in there.

You’re off in the swampy weeds Chris, but you’re meandering generally in the right direction and the path just might be visible from where you are.[/quote]

You mean that the synthesis of the Bible is Jesus? I’ve been saying that forever, and like it says IN the Bible to get your nose out of the Bible as Jesus said in John 5:39, “You search the Scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life,” because he was really Present. Just as Jesus’ Real Presence is in the Eucharist.