If a completely new type of vehicle is introduced and it was financially possible, I would think it would be a good idea to snatch one up and sit on it. Not as an investment for the future but for a guy that has the disposable income just to buy one and wait and see without it affecting your financial situation in any way.
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
I think times have changed and this probably wont be the case in the future. But, it would be awesome if my parents had purchased a Camaro in 1969 and never drove it. It would be worth a pretty penny today. [/quote]
That’s actually a great little thought experiment.
What cars, built today, will be eventual collectors items. I’m not talking about moth-balling the car and selling it as a novelty item 25 years from now (“It’s a 25 year old Toyota Corrola with only 8 miles on it!”), but what could you put 6,000 miles a year on and still make money 25 years from now?
I guess the easy answers are your ZR1s and Z06s. Maybe a Camaro ZL1…
Something like a Porsche 993 which is less than 20 years old and is already starting to rise in price.[/quote]
The Camaro has potential. With it’s reintroduction onto the scene associated with a movie “Transformers” that could have a positive impact on selling price in the future.
Even the generation style of the beater Camaro in “Transformers” saw a asking price increase after the movie.
I think GM should team up with a movie company some how and do a remake of “Smokey and the Bandit” Have the movie related to today and do a special edition Trans Am to coincide with the movie. We could get a Trans Am back in the market and a cool movie. Then GM could bring back that part of the company like someone else posted with just badass driving machines.
[quote]atypical1 wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
You think that now, but if you like cars you won’t be happy with it. Sure there are plenty of serviceable cars that do everything relatively well and are comfortable, but there’s nothing cool or special about them. It’s just a car, another tool. No joy from the experience of the ride itself, but’s its comfortable and reasonable.
I thought the same thing a while back, I hated that car. It was boring.[/quote]
The dentist that my wife works with drives a pretty bare F150. It’s not exciting or fun and he doesn’t necessarily like it. But it’s a tool for him and he really needs it to tow his Alfa race car to the track which is his real passion. He doesn’t want a vehicle - besides his race car - that constantly needs work because that takes money away from him being able to race. Does it make him any less of a car guy just because he drives something boring?
james
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That’s because a proper truck doesn’t have leather and a bunch of bullshit. It’s stripped and ready for work. That’s the way I like my trucks, rubber floors, basic, useful. I do prefer air conditioning though.
Bare trucks are awesome.
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
I think times have changed and this probably wont be the case in the future. But, it would be awesome if my parents had purchased a Camaro in 1969 and never drove it. It would be worth a pretty penny today. [/quote]
That’s actually a great little thought experiment.
What cars, built today, will be eventual collectors items. I’m not talking about moth-balling the car and selling it as a novelty item 25 years from now (“It’s a 25 year old Toyota Corrola with only 8 miles on it!”), but what could you put 6,000 miles a year on and still make money 25 years from now?
I guess the easy answers are your ZR1s and Z06s. Maybe a Camaro ZL1…
Something like a Porsche 993 which is less than 20 years old and is already starting to rise in price.[/quote]
Of the bunch you mentioned, the ZR1 and the Z28 are the two with the most potential for growth. Because there engineering prowess defies the age in which they were created. I think the Z28 has the most of all, because it’s such a niche. I was a chassis experiment and the engineers were given carte blanc with the car. The only rule was to make it awesome. And they scored. Unlike your standard Mustang GT that everybody gets and modifies out the ass. The Z28 is the car you buy and leave as is, you don’t touch it. It would be stupid to. Drive it, love it, change the tires every 8000 miles.
Actually, I think the current gen GT500 is also a keeper. Ford is not coming out with a factory 662 HP car anytime soon. It’s properly absurd had a 2 your production run and was the last car Carol Shelby himself had a hand in designing. If you got one, drive and enjoy, but don’t fuck with it. In 10-20 years that car is going to draw much interest.
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
I think times have changed and this probably wont be the case in the future. But, it would be awesome if my parents had purchased a Camaro in 1969 and never drove it. It would be worth a pretty penny today. [/quote]
That’s actually a great little thought experiment.
What cars, built today, will be eventual collectors items. I’m not talking about moth-balling the car and selling it as a novelty item 25 years from now (“It’s a 25 year old Toyota Corrola with only 8 miles on it!”), but what could you put 6,000 miles a year on and still make money 25 years from now?
I guess the easy answers are your ZR1s and Z06s. Maybe a Camaro ZL1…
Something like a Porsche 993 which is less than 20 years old and is already starting to rise in price.[/quote]
That’s why I was saying times have changed. I think really the only way almost any car made today is worth more money in the future is if something major happens. Like all cars going to a different fuel source or something major like most cars being destroyed because of war or disasters. There are just to many cars made today. One car that stands out as a shot for future value in my opinion would be a Tesla, or high performance electrical car. In the future it could be considered an “OG” in the new fuel market.
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I disagree. Times change and these cars will one day be a by gone era and people will miss them. The current American muscle vastly out performs the old, and with MPG restrictions and shit coming down the pipe, the big displacements are going to become increasingly rare. Everybody is going with forced induction to keep the power numbers up. But I don’t think your going to see many 427’s in the future. Corvette may keep it alive, but don’t be surprised to see a turbo 6 as a corvette option in the future. 6 cylinders are not alien to Corvette DNA. The cool cars are being made right now.
I think its a good idea to recognize it.
The standard GT mustangs are all sub 5 second 0-60 cars with .25 mile in the 12’s, from the factory. Plus now they can handle with the likes of the BMW M3.
We live in a golden age of cars, let’s enjoy it while it lasts. The government will steal our joy soon enough.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
I think times have changed and this probably wont be the case in the future. But, it would be awesome if my parents had purchased a Camaro in 1969 and never drove it. It would be worth a pretty penny today. [/quote]
That’s actually a great little thought experiment.
What cars, built today, will be eventual collectors items. I’m not talking about moth-balling the car and selling it as a novelty item 25 years from now (“It’s a 25 year old Toyota Corrola with only 8 miles on it!”), but what could you put 6,000 miles a year on and still make money 25 years from now?
I guess the easy answers are your ZR1s and Z06s. Maybe a Camaro ZL1…
Something like a Porsche 993 which is less than 20 years old and is already starting to rise in price.[/quote]
That’s why I was saying times have changed. I think really the only way almost any car made today is worth more money in the future is if something major happens. Like all cars going to a different fuel source or something major like most cars being destroyed because of war or disasters. There are just to many cars made today. One car that stands out as a shot for future value in my opinion would be a Tesla, or high performance electrical car. In the future it could be considered an “OG” in the new fuel market.
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I disagree. Times change and these cars will one day be a by gone era and people will miss them. The current American muscle vastly out performs the old, and with MPG restrictions and shit coming down the pipe, the big displacements are going to become increasingly rare. Everybody is going with forced induction to keep the power numbers up. But I don’t think your going to see many 427’s in the future. Corvette may keep it alive, but don’t be surprised to see a turbo 6 as a corvette option in the future. 6 cylinders are not alien to Corvette DNA. The cool cars are being made right now.
I think its a good idea to recognize it.
The standard GT mustangs are all sub 5 second 0-60 cars with .25 mile in the 12’s, from the factory. Plus now they can handle with the likes of the BMW M3.
We live in a golden age of cars, let’s enjoy it while it lasts. The government will steal our joy soon enough.[/quote]
You will need to hide them on the farm outside the wire after they pass the motor laws. Sheesh, didn’t you guys get the memo?
FYI, alot of people have had those same thoughts with regards to buying something now in hopes that it will appreciate in value just like the cars of their youth are currently doing. It will not happen. So many people have this same thought process and the cars will not be rare or unique. I would say most of the people doing this are mid-life crisis men who feel like they missed the boat once, and it’s not happening again to them.
Sadly, nobody is going to care that you have an all original sub 5k mile c5/6 vette/camaro/charger/mustang 20-30 years from now because they’re common place. Especially considering the people in the market for a rare unique vehicle will be people of a younger generation who grew up modding imports specifically to be faster than those old men in vettes/mustangs/camaros.
Show me an all original EP1 electron blue Civic Si, Integra Type-R, mk4 Supra, 993 Turbo, FD RX-7, E30/E36 M3, E28/E34 M5
^ most of those are already seeing their values starting to hold if not appreciate (993 and early BMW M cars)
It’s nothing against the domestics, but supply vs. demand.
Ill just leave this here, but be warned it’s 30 pages of car porn. Keep track of the time…
[quote]Aggv wrote:
FYI, alot of people have had those same thoughts with regards to buying something now in hopes that it will appreciate in value just like the cars of their youth are currently doing. It will not happen. So many people have this same thought process and the cars will not be rare or unique. I would say most of the people doing this are mid-life crisis men who feel like they missed the boat once, and it’s not happening again to them.
Sadly, nobody is going to care that you have an all original sub 5k mile c5/6 vette/camaro/charger/mustang 20-30 years from now because they’re common place.
Show me an all original EP1 electron blue Civic Si, Integra Type-R, mk4 Supra, 993 Turbo, FD RX-7, E30/E36 M3, E28/E34 M5
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To be fair, you picked base model American cars and compared them to highly desirable foreign models, many times built in limited numbers. No one is saying a stock Mustang is going to appreciate vis-a-vis an E30 M3. But a 2014 Mustang GT500 might.
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]Aggv wrote:
FYI, alot of people have had those same thoughts with regards to buying something now in hopes that it will appreciate in value just like the cars of their youth are currently doing. It will not happen. So many people have this same thought process and the cars will not be rare or unique. I would say most of the people doing this are mid-life crisis men who feel like they missed the boat once, and it’s not happening again to them.
Sadly, nobody is going to care that you have an all original sub 5k mile c5/6 vette/camaro/charger/mustang 20-30 years from now because they’re common place.
Show me an all original EP1 electron blue Civic Si, Integra Type-R, mk4 Supra, 993 Turbo, FD RX-7, E30/E36 M3, E28/E34 M5
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To be fair, you picked base model American cars and compared them to highly desirable foreign models, many times built in limited numbers. No one is saying a stock Mustang is going to appreciate vis-a-vis an E30 M3. But a 2014 Mustang GT500 might.[/quote]
True, however they’re still going to sell a ton of those GT500’s and there will still a lot of people who put them in time capsules with this logic.
The way people value muscle cars today will be the same way people of my generation value the imports. Just saying.
[quote]Aggv wrote:
FYI, alot of people have had those same thoughts with regards to buying something now in hopes that it will appreciate in value just like the cars of their youth are currently doing. It will not happen. So many people have this same thought process and the cars will not be rare or unique. I would say most of the people doing this are mid-life crisis men who feel like they missed the boat once, and it’s not happening again to them.
Sadly, nobody is going to care that you have an all original sub 5k mile c5/6 vette/camaro/charger/mustang 20-30 years from now because they’re common place. Especially considering the people in the market for a rare unique vehicle will be people of a younger generation who grew up modding imports specifically to be faster than those old men in vettes/mustangs/camaros.
Show me an all original EP1 electron blue Civic Si, Integra Type-R, mk4 Supra, 993 Turbo, FD RX-7, E30/E36 M3, E28/E34 M5
^ most of those are already seeing their values starting to hold if not appreciate (993 and early BMW M cars)
It’s nothing against the domestics, but supply vs. demand. [/quote]
Buy an all original’67 Mustang fastback or Shelby GT350 and let me know how much you paid…
Many cars won’t do much, but they are common place now. 30 years from now they will be rare. If you have a special edition with a proper history then that car will probably be worth some dough later.
A standard Mustang GT? Probably not. But a '13/ '14 GT500, the last car Carroll Shelby himself had a hand in designing will probably have value.
I don’t think maybe you understand how rare and niche the new Z28 is. It’s a $70k Camaro, nothing like the current car save for the body. Limited run car, with amazing attributes, not just different. It stands out in profound ways. As does the ZR1 Corvette.
I think these cars do have a chance of being worth dough in the future. I wouldn’t buy one just to store, but I wouldn’t undermine the potential future value of these cars. They are significant cars, in a rare era that will not last.
The only Integra Type R that might be worth anything is one that hasn’t been massacred by half ass tuners who keep them in a perpetual state of half primer, missing the front or rear bumper, have a 3 foot carbon fiber wing on the rear, sporting 3 19’s and a half flat doughnut.
If you can find one that isn’t in that state, it might be worth something.
[quote]Aggv wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]Aggv wrote:
FYI, alot of people have had those same thoughts with regards to buying something now in hopes that it will appreciate in value just like the cars of their youth are currently doing. It will not happen. So many people have this same thought process and the cars will not be rare or unique. I would say most of the people doing this are mid-life crisis men who feel like they missed the boat once, and it’s not happening again to them.
Sadly, nobody is going to care that you have an all original sub 5k mile c5/6 vette/camaro/charger/mustang 20-30 years from now because they’re common place.
Show me an all original EP1 electron blue Civic Si, Integra Type-R, mk4 Supra, 993 Turbo, FD RX-7, E30/E36 M3, E28/E34 M5
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To be fair, you picked base model American cars and compared them to highly desirable foreign models, many times built in limited numbers. No one is saying a stock Mustang is going to appreciate vis-a-vis an E30 M3. But a 2014 Mustang GT500 might.[/quote]
True, however they’re still going to sell a ton of those GT500’s and there will still a lot of people who put them in time capsules with this logic.
The way people value muscle cars today will be the same way people of my generation value the imports. Just saying. [/quote]
If we’re lucky people will put them in time capsules. I wouldn’t ever do that, but I am glad there are people that do.
This gen GT500 will never be again. To repeat, it’s the last car Caroll Shelby himself worked on, that will mean something. And they really aren’t that common.
[quote]Aggv wrote:
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Saw a Ford GT on road this morning. Le Man paint scheme, #3.
I think my issue with predicting what will be rare and valuable in the future is the fact that i can go out today, and buy a brand new GT500 if i hand the money. So to say it will be rare or anything other than just a GT500 in 20yrs is difficult.
0% chance of finding a worthwhile Type-R today if i had the money. Might take a few months to find one. Therefore it’s already rare and special.
Just dont take anything im saying as a negative towards to the current cars, it’s just the fact that theyre new and any douche can walk in and have a brand new whatever.
nic cage sums it up perfectly, having money for a new car vs. being a connoisseur
[quote]Aggv wrote:
I think my issue with predicting what will be rare and valuable in the future is the fact that i can go out today, and buy a brand new GT500 if i hand the money. So to say it will be rare or anything other than just a GT500 in 20yrs is difficult.
0% chance of finding a worthwhile Type-R today if i had the money. Might take a few months to find one. Therefore it’s already rare and special.
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Why are you comparing a new car today to a 16 year old car? In 1998, I could’ve walked into any Honda dealer in the US and gotten an Integra Type R. And like Pat said, if the Civic Si, Integra Type R, and Supra are becoming more and more rare, it’s only because so many of their current owners have raped them with cold air intakes, coffee can exhausts, and fiberglass body kits.
[quote]pat wrote:
Buy an all original’67 Mustang fastback or Shelby GT350 and let me know how much you paid…
Many cars won’t do much, but they are common place now. 30 years from now they will be rare. If you have a special edition with a proper history then that car will probably be worth some dough later.
A standard Mustang GT? Probably not. But a '13/ '14 GT500, the last car Carroll Shelby himself had a hand in designing will probably have value.
I don’t think maybe you understand how rare and niche the new Z28 is. It’s a $70k Camaro, nothing like the current car save for the body. Limited run car, with amazing attributes, not just different. It stands out in profound ways. As does the ZR1 Corvette.
I think these cars do have a chance of being worth dough in the future. I wouldn’t buy one just to store, but I wouldn’t undermine the potential future value of these cars. They are significant cars, in a rare era that will not last. [/quote]
But is the 67 Mustang worth money because it’s the first of the type? How much is a second or generation Mustang worth? And that’s actually a serious question because I don’t know. But I would think that for ordinary cars the first generation would be the most desirable. Especially since that’s what they are all copying now. I didn’t see Ford making another Mustang II.
I could see the GT500 being worth money because of the icon behind it. I’m not sure I see that same value from the Z28 which was made by a committee. I definitely see the Ford GT retaining value though. Same with the Nissan GT-R (not American…I know).
For me the wild card will be what happens to electric cars. Most people think of Tesla or the Leaf but if they really went after the performance segment it could get interesting really fast. Does that make gas powered cars more or less valuable?
james
[quote]Aggv wrote:
I think my issue with predicting what will be rare and valuable in the future is the fact that i can go out today, and buy a brand new GT500 if i hand the money. So to say it will be rare or anything other than just a GT500 in 20yrs is difficult.
0% chance of finding a worthwhile Type-R today if i had the money. Might take a few months to find one. Therefore it’s already rare and special.
Just dont take anything im saying as a negative towards to the current cars, it’s just the fact that theyre new and any douche can walk in and have a brand new whatever. [/quote]
Sure it’s difficult and risky, I wouldn’t buy one to store I would drive it and drive it hard. If it’s worth some dough in the future, all the better. But all I am saying is it has potential for future worth.
Late model Ferrari’s and Lamborghini’s are about your only safe bet.
About 5 years ago there was a beautiful triple white Countach for sale for $75K.
I was like ‘Oooo if I had the money!’ Damned if I shouldn’t have taken out a loan because you cannot touch those cars for under $125K now, even for poor examples and this white one was perfect. White paint, white wheels, white interior. I bet I could have squeezed $150 out if it in today’s market. It was an '88, low mileage all original Countach for $75K. I couldn’t afford it of course, but then again, I could have driven it for a few years and cleared, after maintenance and shit, about $40K profit.
The last gen Testarossa’s are just starting to pick up steam in the market. Now’s a good time to buy in, because the values are just starting to creep up on those cars. Still, can’t afford it.
About 10 years ago there was a really nice '67 GTO convertible out for sale for less than $10K. Boy do I wish I jumped on that. I drove by it everyday thinking about it. Then one day it was gone and that’s probably one happy MF’er now.
[quote]atypical1 wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
Buy an all original’67 Mustang fastback or Shelby GT350 and let me know how much you paid…
Many cars won’t do much, but they are common place now. 30 years from now they will be rare. If you have a special edition with a proper history then that car will probably be worth some dough later.
A standard Mustang GT? Probably not. But a '13/ '14 GT500, the last car Carroll Shelby himself had a hand in designing will probably have value.
I don’t think maybe you understand how rare and niche the new Z28 is. It’s a $70k Camaro, nothing like the current car save for the body. Limited run car, with amazing attributes, not just different. It stands out in profound ways. As does the ZR1 Corvette.
I think these cars do have a chance of being worth dough in the future. I wouldn’t buy one just to store, but I wouldn’t undermine the potential future value of these cars. They are significant cars, in a rare era that will not last. [/quote]
But is the 67 Mustang worth money because it’s the first of the type? How much is a second or generation Mustang worth? And that’s actually a serious question because I don’t know. But I would think that for ordinary cars the first generation would be the most desirable. Especially since that’s what they are all copying now. I didn’t see Ford making another Mustang II.
I could see the GT500 being worth money because of the icon behind it. I’m not sure I see that same value from the Z28 which was made by a committee. I definitely see the Ford GT retaining value though. Same with the Nissan GT-R (not American…I know).
For me the wild card will be what happens to electric cars. Most people think of Tesla or the Leaf but if they really went after the performance segment it could get interesting really fast. Does that make gas powered cars more or less valuable?
james
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The point is, those cars were common back then, just like they are now. Ford made millions of Mustangs, it was a huge seller. Nobody considered they’d be worth money one day. Just like now. They are common, but we are in a bubble right now. You won’t be getting the power and displacement in the next few years we’re getting now. The CAFE regs are going to squash these cars. Soon we’re going to be inundated with force fed 6’s and 4’s, the V8’s are going to be less common.
Just looking at the 2015 mustang line up is a good view into the future… 4 motors will be available, The current V6, and Coyote V8 will continue. The the SVO is comming back which is a turbo 4 that is supposed to fall in between the V6 and Coyote V8. And then a supercharged V8 for the SVT Mustang, producing just south of 600 HP. Gone is the Shelby, gone is the 662 HP 5.4 L V8. The GT500 will be no more. I don’t know if it’s permanent or not, but Ford has reported no plans for a Shelby. The high performance model will be the SVT.
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
because so many of their current owners have raped them with cold air intakes, coffee can exhausts, and fiberglass body kits.
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That’s exactly why they’ll be “more special” than the cars currently being bought by balding middle age men.