OK, I’d like to make this into a thread on the use of Carbolin 19 during PCT. One place where we can post our experiences.
I’ve just finished a 4 week blitz cycle and am using 40 mg. Carbolin 19 ED in addition to Clomid and Tamoxifen. As I’m only two days into PCT I don’t have anything to report yet, but I’ll be posting as my PCT continues.
Feel free to join in, and let’s get this thing goin’.
Crowbar
I also just bought two bottles of Carbolin 19 for my PCT along with Clomid and Clenbuterol at a low dose for it’s anti-catabolic effects. I plan on starting the Carbolin 19 during my last week as I taper off, and then continue through the next three weeks using clomid and clen until my natural test is back to an optimal level. I’ll let you know how it goes.
[quote]crowbar524 wrote:
OK, I’d like to make this into a thread on the use of Carbolin 19 during PCT. One place where we can post our experiences.
I’ve just finished a 4 week blitz cycle and am using 40 mg. Carbolin 19 ED in addition to Clomid and Tamoxifen. As I’m only two days into PCT I don’t have anything to report yet, but I’ll be posting as my PCT continues.
Feel free to join in, and let’s get this thing goin’.
Crowbar[/quote]
Good idea crowbar…I’m always a little skeptical of supplements that claim to be comparable to “x” mg of an anabolic, so this thread will help me determine if the investment is worth it.
MK
I’m sitting on 3 bottles of Carbolin 19 myself. I had the exact same idea about using it in PCT.
I asked about Carbolin 19 and PCT in the Cabolin thread, but none of the experts had any data on using it PCT.
I will be coming off in July. I will be watching this thread very closely.
Great idea.
I had to be dickhole but I agree with Katz. Var is extremely androgenic and I just can’t see how it can be compared to anything otc that’s not going to have some sort of downregulating effect. I have 1 bottle and will be starting it in a few weeks after my nolva/igf-1/low dose am 4-ad pct is finished.
Ohh hell yeah! I’m interested in anybody’s results or whatever it is you have to report on Carbolin 19. Thanks for keeping us in the loop fellas!
[quote]lonestar3 wrote:
I plan on starting the Carbolin 19 during my last week as I taper off,[/quote]
That’s what I was going to say. Carbolin 19 won’t begin to work the day you start using it, so I think it’s best to start during your last week of the cycle.
[quote]GriffinC wrote:
lonestar3 wrote:
I plan on starting the Carbolin 19 during my last week as I taper off,
That’s what I was going to say. Carbolin 19 won’t begin to work the day you start using it, so I think it’s best to start during your last week of the cycle.[/quote]
If Carbolin 19 is supposed to raise natural test levels, wouldn’t you just be wasting it in the last week of your cycle if you are already supressed?
I’m just wondering if it wouldn’t be more effective towards the end of PCT, as your endocrine system gets back on it’s feet.
I have no answer - I’m just running it up the ol’ flagpole.
OK, well I’m 9 days into PCT now, so I guess it’s time to give my observations thus far. First, I have to say that I do short 4-6 week blitz cycles with orals and esterless gear. The reason I mention this is that it will be easier to recover from my cycles than someone doing longer cycles with longer acting esters–so, that should be taken into consideration with regards to my comments concerning Carbolin 19.
Now, what I have noticed is that my endogenous Test levels seem to be rebounding a little faster and easier while using Carbolin 19. Now, I’m using Clomid right now along with it, so, of course, the Clomid will have a big effect; but, levels seem to be returning faster than PCT without the Carbolin. My skin is oily, I’m geeting spontaneous erections, and I’m horny! I really think the Carbolin 19 may have synergistic effects with the Clomid.
Strength levels and enthusiasm for working out are up. Since it’s PCT I don’t try to push it in the weight room; so, when I say my strength is up, I really should say that I’m belting out the reps easier than I have before. Second, the mood elevating effects are noticable for me. This, in turn, leads to greater enthusiasm (and energy levels) for workouts.
Next, my muscles have stayed hard and very pumped post cycle. Also, I’m more vascular. A very nice effect I’ve noticed is that I’m droping BF post cycle while retaining muscle, even though at this time I don’t try to restrict calories or do cardio–I usually eat hypercaloric the first 5-7 days of PCT if I’m doing a cutter, the first couple of weeks if I’m doing a bulker. I came off a lean mass cycle. This effect is undoubtedly related to the very warm feeling I get about an hour or two after consuming Carbolin 19, which I assume is caused by it ramping up cAMP levels.
So far I’m very impressed with the results I’ve obtained from Carbolin 19!
Crowbar
I don’t really have anything to add to any of the comments, other than oxandrolone is not “extremely androgenic.” It was developed for the exact opposite reason, to maximize anabolic activity while minimizing androgenic effects, and it’s also why it’s still enjoys clinical use today.
Other than that, I’m glad more people are giving it the critical eye. It’s going to be much harder for me to take in to account validity of accounts with those using androgens, however, simply because I often find people don’t calculate the kinetics of the drugs they’re taking correctly and end up thinking they are in “post cycle” when they still have another 2-4 weeks before exogenous androgen levels return to zero. Granted, it would look great as one would continue making great gains, but it would likely be because of the fact that they still have a substantial amount of exogenous androgens in systemic circulation, and not a result of the Carbolin 19.
Hopefully a few people who get body composition assessed regularly will share their results, post cycle use or not.
Please continue to post your results, Crowbar, I’m very interested in your particular case.
I think I wanted to say anabolic. I did a var bridge at the end of a rather long cycle last summer. I think I took about 20 -30 mgs a day. I’m lookn forward to comparing.
[quote]JackedJack wrote:
I think I wanted to say anabolic. I did a var bridge at the end of a rather long cycle last summer. I think I took about 20 -30 mgs a day. I’m lookn forward to comparing.[/quote]
Great! I’d appreciate any feedback!
Cy, any chance Biotest would be willing to have some “vets” try a couple free bottles for pct and have them document their experience…Kind of like what you did with the MAG-10 samples.
MK
[quote]mikekatz wrote:
Cy, any chance Biotest would be willing to have some “vets” try a couple free bottles for pct and have them document their experience…Kind of like what you did with the MAG-10 samples.
MK [/quote]
I don’t know, I suppose that would be possible. However, I’d rather someone use it after having completed recovery from exogenous androgens. I know some are interested in its’ post cycle use, but you have to understand the vast majority of the people who read this site, buy supplements, and are using Carbolin 19, have never, nor will they ever, use anabolic steroids. Having a few “vets” use Carbolin 19 and keep an accurate log of the effects on body comp would be great, but again, I would prefer it not be for “PCT” as the applicability to the majority isn’t there.
Day 14 of Cabolin 19 (and PCT). In the two weeks I’ve now lost about 4 LBS. after water stores stabilized post cycle. I’m definitely looking leaner and more vascular, and I’m putting some nice muscle on–especially my legs.
I’ve had some of the best workouts I’ve had in a long time while on Carbolin 19! My strength, energy, endurance, and enthusiasm are up! Every workout has just been “in the zone”. Does it feel like I’m “on”? No, not really, but the results speak for themselves. Carbolin 19 helps to make drug free training such a pleasure that I’ll be much easier to go off cycle now–because you’ll have some fantastic workouts and results awaiting you!
I can only imagine that Carbolin 19 will be a God send for the natural trainer. I think the vasodilatory effects of Carbolin 19 account, in part at least, for it’s effects on muscle mass via greater nutrient and substrate delivery–the pumps are great too!
Crowbar
Anybody else have any feedback?
Crowbar
I’m tired as shit so I might have missed it but?? Crowbar, what did your 4 week blitzer consist of? How much did you gain? And have you gotten your bodyfat %tested to explain why you say you’re gaining some muscle even though you lost 4 scale pounds.
BTW please don’t take this as me being critical, just real curious.
ALso I’ve been on for about a week a 60 mgs, 1 cap 3x’s a day. Nothing so far but I wouldn’t expect much at this point. I have had some pretty nice workouts though.
My cycle was:
Weeks 1-4
I lost .8% BF (=2 LBS.), and gained 6 LBS. LBM. I went from 250 LBS. at 16.8 % BF, to 254 LBS. at 16.0% BF. These measurments were taken about 7 days post cycle, in order to allow water stores to return to normal.
So far while on Carbolin I’ve droped to 250-251 LBS. at 14.8% BF–that’s about a three pound loss of pure fat, all while NOT attempting to diet!
Crowbar
Here’s just thought. IF Carbolin 19 works best after using it for about a month ie, the muscle gains and bodycomp effects start really showing. Then why not take it even when you’re on steroids. For example, I’m going to do a three-4 weeker of superdrol. I’ve already been on Carbolin 19 for about 2 weeks. So if I run it the entire time it should make it that much easier to hold gains when I come off, as opposed to having to wait for it to start working.
Also I’m not sure if this has been covered but with what I said in mind is there any reason to cycle Carbolin 19.?