Carb Cycling? (Supercompensation)

I just read “better than steroids” and have a few questions about carb cycling.

The main topics of the book are cycling, nutrient timing, depletion, and super-compensation.

Now im not a bodybuilder so I wont be preparing for a show. Instead I just want to lose fat and build muscle.

  1. Is glycogen supercompensation useful for someone like me, or is it just for bodybuilders looking to make their muscles as full as possible, temporarily?

  2. When carb cycling, is the goal of a depletion, to completely empty glycogen stores, or just get them low enough to prevent spill over in subsequent carb-ups?

  3. Related to number 1. If I have certain muscles that I wish to grow more than others, and I deplete them more during my depletion workouts, to supercompensate them, is this useful, or will the gained size be very temporary.

  4. I know that the carb ups should take place on the hardest workout days. Is it good to go no carb, then hard workout to full depleat, and then carb up following the workout?


Also Im trying to come up with a schedule. Here’s what I came up with, which will be starting for fat loss, utilizing two short carb-ups (meals) a week, and then as time progresses i’ll add an aditional carb up, or go to a full carb-up day.

M:Low/high (low all day, workout at night carb-up meal)
T:Mod (moderate all day, and decrease
W:Mod/low
T:Low
F:Low/high (same as monday)
S:Mod
S:Low

My workouts will be M,W,F

Hah my parents got me that book for christmas. I had trouble making sense of some of his stuff, especially this. Seemed very complicated. I’d like to see hear how it works for you, I might try it in the future.

  1. Im not sure if its usefull, but its definitly not needed.
  2. Depends on the Carb Cycle. Some carb cycles just lowering your glycogen stores will do the trick. Others (like those aiming for supercompensation) will require a full depletion for supercomp to take place.
  3. From everything I’ve read (Mostly from Lyle McDonald) supercompensation is very anabolic so “in theory” it should help you gain size in that targeted muscle group. However, if your aiming for supercompensation you should be fully glycogen depleted everywhere.
  4. This will take trial and error. Everyone reacts differently to carb ups. You might do well with the day before, the morning of, or aim for supercompensation PWO.

thanks guys for the replies. Im trying to gather as much info as possible, and then from there it will just be trial and error.

Im finishing my first keto run, which wasn’t too hard, but my muscles are definately looking pretty flat. Im hoping they swell up good after my first carb load.

Definately a noticeable fat loss though in just 10 days.

Check this out:

This may be easier though:

http://www.T-Nation.com/readArticle.do?id=1825995

ya ive seen those, but they are just protocols they dont provide any understanding.

Lyle McDonald has lots of informative readings on glycogen supercompensation and the science behind it. His Ultimate Diet 2.0 (UD 2.0) book goes into detail about it.

So I spent the last couple of days doing some research on this topic.

I found some good quality information but very little of it. Here’s a sort of summary of what I found based on this recent research, and my past understandings.


So most of the people out there are suggesting that some form of cycling (whether it be calorie or carbohydrate)is beneficial for bodycomposition improvements.

The problem I found, is that most trainers/authors out there have no understanding of why carb cycling would be beneficial. Most of them suggest that carb cycling is used as a form of nutrient timing and/or a way of changing the weekly net calorie balance.

But the purpose of carb cycling is much more than just this.

  1. Nutrient timing – take in higher amount of calories/carbs when they are needed

  2. Regulation of key hormones – (insulin, glucagon, cortisol, leptin, etc…

  3. Pyschological benefits – its easier to follow for some, because you are not restricted from certain foods. Under the cyclical approach, there are NO BAD FOODS, but the right times for the right foods.

  4. Supercompensation – There wasn’t much info on this, but supercompensation potentially leads to larger muscles, and also can provide extra fuel for more intense, higher volume workouts

And im sure there are many more benefits of carb cycling.

As far as using this method for improvements in body composition, I feel that 1 and 2 are the main agents.

As far as nutrient timing goes, it makes sense that you should take in the proper nutrients at the proper times. If you aren’t going to workout on a day, then there is no reason to load up on carbs. You are likely to top off your glycogen stores and add extra fat.

As for hormones, things are more complicated, and Im not going to claim that I really understand how it works. Here is my understanding.

-You want insulin levels to remain below the critical point at which your body will use an increased amount of fat for fuel.

-Low insulin levels are associated with higher glucagon/cortisol levels which are associated with increased fat loss

-Insulin spikes are desired at key times. Mainly after your workout. But after consumed carbohydrates are delivered to your muscles, you want insulin to quickly return to lower levels.

I know I probably butchered that a bit. But basically you want all of these hormones to be very stable for the majority of the time, and trigger spikes at key times. (insulin after workouts, glucagon/cortisol during workouts, etc…)

If you are aiming for fat loss, then the aim should be at keeping insulin down low most of the time, and use smaller less frequent insulin spikes. And if you are trying to pack on mass, you are going to want larger insulin spikes more frequently. (This coincides with a greater frequency for mass, and less frequency/volume for cutting)

Thats basically it for what I came up with. Here’s my weekly plan for the first 2 weeks, and then i’ll increase the number of high carb days.

Sunday: Low-no carb
Monday: Low-High carb
Tuesday: Moderate-low carb
Wednesday: Moderate carb
Thursday: Moderate-low carb
Friday: Low-high carb
Saturday: Moderate-low carb

This seems confusing at first, but is VERY simple. Basically there are two main rules.

  1. Never have two high carb days in a row
  2. Always have a period of low-no carb before high carb

And some other less important rules:

  1. When carbs are high, protein, and fat drop lower
  2. When carbs are low, fat should be higher, and protein should be very high.
  3. For the most part, high carbs should never occur with high fat.

I am going to coincide my high carb periods with training. Prior to training there will be low-no carbs, then i’ll workout, and then i’ll take in a large amount of carbs. Then the intake of carbs will rapidly decrease until the next workout.

I happen to workout at night (around 6-7pm) so on workout days (m,w,f) im low-no carb all day, then workout, then high carb. I may have a moderate carb snack before bed, and then a moderate carb snack upon waking, and then stat to decrease carbs again. Its probably not optimal, but evening workouts are the only thing that will work at this moment.

I know im missing some stuff in here that ive forgoten, so if i remember i’ll post it up.

I already remembered something else.

There is very little research/information on the long term adaptations to carb cycilng. Ideally there would be long term adaptations as follows.

  1. Greater tendencity to return to base-line levels on all the key hormones quicker.

  2. Ability to achieve larger hormonal spikes

  3. Larger glycogen stores

  4. Other unforseen benefits

I’ll also mention, that anytime you are trying to build or cut, you are going to be altering both fat and lean mass.

You’ll never lose PURE fat, or gain just muscle. But the goal should be to optimize the ratio.

If everytime you gained weight, 75% of it was muscle, and 25% was fat, and evertime you lost weight, 75% of it was fat, and only 25% muscle, then you’d have the ability to achieve a great body.

That is the main goal of training and carb cycling IMO.