I’ve never had a problem with artificial sweeteners, but I do use splenda the most (tastes the best IMO). Never had a problem with diet soda’s, but I don’t drink them much anyways
[quote]thoughts1053 wrote:
[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
Was searching around the net, found a website that really endorses CBL, had an interview with Keifer, ect. THey did some research, says that the diet soda Keifer says stay away from Ace-K may be over blown. That it takes a ridiculous amount of diet soda to elicit an insulin response. I’d link to it, but dunno if it’s a competitor.
Just google Does Acesulfame K Spike Insulin?
Any opinions?[/quote]
I always thought his prejudice against Ace-K was overblown. I drink diet soda and eat sugar-free gum all the time during my contest preps (as do a lot of other competitors) and it doesn’t interfere with getting to low single digit bf. If you’re not even trying to get on stage, why worry about something so insignificant.[/quote]
Have you started CBL’ing yet thoughts? And do you drink diet soda during low-carb portions still if you do?
[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
[quote]thoughts1053 wrote:
[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
Was searching around the net, found a website that really endorses CBL, had an interview with Keifer, ect. THey did some research, says that the diet soda Keifer says stay away from Ace-K may be over blown. That it takes a ridiculous amount of diet soda to elicit an insulin response. I’d link to it, but dunno if it’s a competitor.
Just google Does Acesulfame K Spike Insulin?
Any opinions?[/quote]
I always thought his prejudice against Ace-K was overblown. I drink diet soda and eat sugar-free gum all the time during my contest preps (as do a lot of other competitors) and it doesn’t interfere with getting to low single digit bf. If you’re not even trying to get on stage, why worry about something so insignificant.[/quote]
Have you started CBL’ing yet thoughts? And do you drink diet soda during low-carb portions still if you do?[/quote]
No, I haven’t started yet. Looking forward to it though 
Spidey,
I know I’m not doing the SA version, but I’ll have diet sodas in the afternoon when I’m sick of drinking coffee or just want another source of caffeine at work. So far, I’m still gaining weight and losing BF. Food for thought.
The studies i have seen have been on rats/mice and the amount of sweetner they were consuming was ungodly. No way could you ingest that much.
Also as thoughts said. Lots of competitors get completely shredded and consume copious amounts of diet pop
Ryan, what is your pre-peri workout whey/bcaa protocol on cbl?
Nothing fancy. I can sya what i would do if i had the funds. It would be casien hydrolase + luecine. Way too many well known smart people like this. But as i am cheap and poor. I go with whey and bulk bcaas. And a bit of crstyal light powder to kill some nasty taste from the bcaas. Its normally only 20g of pro and 10g of bcaas no need for more pro with the BCAAs. Also i have some aminos floating around from the meat that is digegsting 2hrs prior to the workout. Also normally have some coffee with a bit of cocunut oil although not always and notice no diff with or without it. I just really like the flavor and health benefits. I start drinking during my mobility work and finish it 3/4 of the way through. 20min after i have 5g of leucine. Then 20min after that commence eating. All times are approximate as my scheudle changes but thats close to the timing. Specific timing is majoring in the minors IMO.
sounds good, thanks. And do you do a PWO shake with carbs as well?
I did for a while but did not notice difference with or without it. I would rather eat some extra carbs.
Side note was listening to a bio jacked radio and keifer states he doesnt want ppl eating ice cream and crap every night. This was not his intention he claims, which i find funny because in the book he seems to be pushing you to eat crap. Also he says that the less fat the less damage done during the backload. He just says its less fun then
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
I did for a while but did not notice difference with or without it. I would rather eat some extra carbs.
Side note was listening to a bio jacked radio and keifer states he doesnt want ppl eating ice cream and crap every night. This was not his intention he claims, which i find funny because in the book he seems to be pushing you to eat crap. Also he says that the less fat the less damage done during the backload. He just says its less fun then[/quote]
He can give some conflicting info sometimes. The book clearly states that eating two double cheeseburgers doesn’t count as backloading. And that you shouldn’t be a fat kid. But the way he sells his diet is that you can eat nothing but waffle crisp every day and get lean.
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
I did for a while but did not notice difference with or without it. I would rather eat some extra carbs.
Side note was listening to a bio jacked radio and keifer states he doesnt want ppl eating ice cream and crap every night. This was not his intention he claims, which i find funny because in the book he seems to be pushing you to eat crap. Also he says that the less fat the less damage done during the backload. He just says its less fun then[/quote]
He can give some conflicting info sometimes. The book clearly states that eating two double cheeseburgers doesn’t count as backloading. And that you shouldn’t be a fat kid. But the way he sells his diet is that you can eat nothing but waffle crisp every day and get lean. [/quote]
I remeber reading that. DONT EAT LIKE A FAT KID. Then later on its saying pizza and cherry turnovers are great for it. HIGH GI high processed. I was like WTF confusing. Oh well just once again it comes down to doing what works for you which he, mark bell, and donny thompson reiterate many times
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
I did for a while but did not notice difference with or without it. I would rather eat some extra carbs.
Side note was listening to a bio jacked radio and keifer states he doesnt want ppl eating ice cream and crap every night. This was not his intention he claims, which i find funny because in the book he seems to be pushing you to eat crap. Also he says that the less fat the less damage done during the backload. He just says its less fun then[/quote]
He can give some conflicting info sometimes. The book clearly states that eating two double cheeseburgers doesn’t count as backloading. And that you shouldn’t be a fat kid. But the way he sells his diet is that you can eat nothing but waffle crisp every day and get lean. [/quote]
I remeber reading that. DONT EAT LIKE A FAT KID. Then later on its saying pizza and cherry turnovers are great for it. HIGH GI high processed. I was like WTF confusing. Oh well just once again it comes down to doing what works for you which he, mark bell, and donny thompson reiterate many times[/quote]
I think his conflicting statements are because he’s trying to appeal to everyone. There are those people, who I think i can use Ryan as an example, who has an insatiable appetite that could (if he wanted) eat SOOOO many carbs and shit during a backload that he can pile on fat. And some of those people will do so thinking that with CBL it really IS impossible to get fat, get fat, and say it didn’t work. So those people, he has to say “Hey, this program isn’t fool proof, don’t be stupid”.
But then there is the group of people (who I would put myself in this category early on) were a bit hesitant to go ‘dirty’ in order to hit the high numbers required to potentially see the REAL effects of CBL, and instead got mediocre results by ‘playing it safe’. After reading Keifer suggest dirtier foods, I took advantage and honestly got 10x better results.
So I think what he says is definitely contradictory, but because he’s talking to conflicting parties, if that makes sense…
[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
I did for a while but did not notice difference with or without it. I would rather eat some extra carbs.
Side note was listening to a bio jacked radio and keifer states he doesnt want ppl eating ice cream and crap every night. This was not his intention he claims, which i find funny because in the book he seems to be pushing you to eat crap. Also he says that the less fat the less damage done during the backload. He just says its less fun then[/quote]
He can give some conflicting info sometimes. The book clearly states that eating two double cheeseburgers doesn’t count as backloading. And that you shouldn’t be a fat kid. But the way he sells his diet is that you can eat nothing but waffle crisp every day and get lean. [/quote]
I remeber reading that. DONT EAT LIKE A FAT KID. Then later on its saying pizza and cherry turnovers are great for it. HIGH GI high processed. I was like WTF confusing. Oh well just once again it comes down to doing what works for you which he, mark bell, and donny thompson reiterate many times[/quote]
I think his conflicting statements are because he’s trying to appeal to everyone. There are those people, who I think i can use Ryan as an example, who has an insatiable appetite that could (if he wanted) eat SOOOO many carbs and shit during a backload that he can pile on fat. And some of those people will do so thinking that with CBL it really IS impossible to get fat, get fat, and say it didn’t work. So those people, he has to say “Hey, this program isn’t fool proof, don’t be stupid”.
But then there is the group of people (who I would put myself in this category early on) were a bit hesitant to go ‘dirty’ in order to hit the high numbers required to potentially see the REAL effects of CBL, and instead got mediocre results by ‘playing it safe’. After reading Keifer suggest dirtier foods, I took advantage and honestly got 10x better results.
So I think what he says is definitely contradictory, but because he’s talking to conflicting parties, if that makes sense…[/quote]
I’m not so sure he’s trying to appeal to everyone. I may just be giving him the benefit of the doubt here, but when I read the book, the way I understood it was how you described the hesitant people. I interpreted it as try CBL clean first, and then introduce “dirtier” foods into the backload as needed. Though honestly since I’ve been making pizzas and eating ice cream, etc, I’ve had significantly better results than when I did it “clean” with rice, etc.
If all the conflicting info comes from Kiefer, then I stand corrected. But it seems that, like with every spin on every diet, you have people coming out of the woodwork who never read the book or listened to a podcast, saw one article or forum post on CBL, then just kind of invented a diet themselves and shit all over it when it didn’t work.
My two cents.
[quote]wiggles wrote:
[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
I did for a while but did not notice difference with or without it. I would rather eat some extra carbs.
Side note was listening to a bio jacked radio and keifer states he doesnt want ppl eating ice cream and crap every night. This was not his intention he claims, which i find funny because in the book he seems to be pushing you to eat crap. Also he says that the less fat the less damage done during the backload. He just says its less fun then[/quote]
He can give some conflicting info sometimes. The book clearly states that eating two double cheeseburgers doesn’t count as backloading. And that you shouldn’t be a fat kid. But the way he sells his diet is that you can eat nothing but waffle crisp every day and get lean. [/quote]
I remeber reading that. DONT EAT LIKE A FAT KID. Then later on its saying pizza and cherry turnovers are great for it. HIGH GI high processed. I was like WTF confusing. Oh well just once again it comes down to doing what works for you which he, mark bell, and donny thompson reiterate many times[/quote]
I think his conflicting statements are because he’s trying to appeal to everyone. There are those people, who I think i can use Ryan as an example, who has an insatiable appetite that could (if he wanted) eat SOOOO many carbs and shit during a backload that he can pile on fat. And some of those people will do so thinking that with CBL it really IS impossible to get fat, get fat, and say it didn’t work. So those people, he has to say “Hey, this program isn’t fool proof, don’t be stupid”.
But then there is the group of people (who I would put myself in this category early on) were a bit hesitant to go ‘dirty’ in order to hit the high numbers required to potentially see the REAL effects of CBL, and instead got mediocre results by ‘playing it safe’. After reading Keifer suggest dirtier foods, I took advantage and honestly got 10x better results.
So I think what he says is definitely contradictory, but because he’s talking to conflicting parties, if that makes sense…[/quote]
I’m not so sure he’s trying to appeal to everyone. I may just be giving him the benefit of the doubt here, but when I read the book, the way I understood it was how you described the hesitant people. I interpreted it as try CBL clean first, and then introduce “dirtier” foods into the backload as needed. Though honestly since I’ve been making pizzas and eating ice cream, etc, I’ve had significantly better results than when I did it “clean” with rice, etc.
If all the conflicting info comes from Kiefer, then I stand corrected. But it seems that, like with every spin on every diet, you have people coming out of the woodwork who never read the book or listened to a podcast, saw one article or forum post on CBL, then just kind of invented a diet themselves and shit all over it when it didn’t work.
My two cents.[/quote]
I agree. I think he may sometimes try to cover his tracks sometimes by telling people in podcasts not to eat like a fat kid (even though on his site he says his former fat kid is what makes him love this diet. lol). I don’t think it’s bad, I just think lately, after the release of the book, he realized some people may still not get it. lol
Not trying to be off topic: Is there any way to get on a carb-backloading diet without purchasing the $80 book? Anywhere I can read some of his work or get some more information?
Right now I drink coffee before 12, eat protein 12-5, workout at 5, and after my workout have carbs for the rest of the day. Started experimenting with that eating style because I read about it on EliteFTS and a couple other sites. It’s actually working just fine, but it’s obviously not the real diet plan, and I really don’t have the cash for the book.
[quote]louiek wrote:
Not trying to be off topic: Is there any way to get on a carb-backloading diet without purchasing the $80 book? Anywhere I can read some of his work or get some more information?
Right now I drink coffee before 12, eat protein 12-5, workout at 5, and after my workout have carbs for the rest of the day. Started experimenting with that eating style because I read about it on EliteFTS and a couple other sites. It’s actually working just fine, but it’s obviously not the real diet plan, and I really don’t have the cash for the book.[/quote]
You should be able to piece together the diet from this forum. You’re pretty much doing it now anyway. The only thing I could think to change is to have a PWO shake one hour after your workout. Make sure it consists of 50g protein and 40g high GI carbs. An hour after that then start the carb backload. But don’t do it all night. A 4 hour window works well.
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
[quote]louiek wrote:
Not trying to be off topic: Is there any way to get on a carb-backloading diet without purchasing the $80 book? Anywhere I can read some of his work or get some more information?
Right now I drink coffee before 12, eat protein 12-5, workout at 5, and after my workout have carbs for the rest of the day. Started experimenting with that eating style because I read about it on EliteFTS and a couple other sites. It’s actually working just fine, but it’s obviously not the real diet plan, and I really don’t have the cash for the book.[/quote]
You should be able to piece together the diet from this forum. You’re pretty much doing it now anyway. The only thing I could think to change is to have a PWO shake one hour after your workout. Make sure it consists of 50g protein and 40g high GI carbs. An hour after that then start the carb backload. But don’t do it all night. A 4 hour window works well. [/quote]
I’ll read this thread then, thanks.
So would something like this work?
awake-12p - coffee (black)
12-5 - protein (chicken & cheeseburgers)
5-6 - workout (usually 1hr30min)
6-7 - PWO shake (bananas, little protein)
7-11 - carbs (white rice, potatoes, yams)
11-sleep - protein(?)/water
Then on “off” days, it’d be the same thing, except maybe less carbs and no PWO meal? I don’t really have off days. All off days involve some type of conditioning or sled pulling.
[quote]louiek wrote:
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
[quote]louiek wrote:
Not trying to be off topic: Is there any way to get on a carb-backloading diet without purchasing the $80 book? Anywhere I can read some of his work or get some more information?
Right now I drink coffee before 12, eat protein 12-5, workout at 5, and after my workout have carbs for the rest of the day. Started experimenting with that eating style because I read about it on EliteFTS and a couple other sites. It’s actually working just fine, but it’s obviously not the real diet plan, and I really don’t have the cash for the book.[/quote]
You should be able to piece together the diet from this forum. You’re pretty much doing it now anyway. The only thing I could think to change is to have a PWO shake one hour after your workout. Make sure it consists of 50g protein and 40g high GI carbs. An hour after that then start the carb backload. But don’t do it all night. A 4 hour window works well. [/quote]
I’ll read this thread then, thanks.
So would something like this work?
awake-12p - coffee (black)
12-5 - protein (chicken & cheeseburgers)
5-6 - workout (usually 1hr30min)
6-7 - PWO shake (bananas, little protein)
7-11 - carbs (white rice, potatoes, yams)
11-sleep - protein(?)/water
Then on “off” days, it’d be the same thing, except maybe less carbs and no PWO meal? I don’t really have off days. All off days involve some type of conditioning or sled pulling.[/quote]
What is your goal? And your training like? You wouldn’t backload after conditioning work unless you’re trying to gain weight, just so you know.
[quote]wiggles wrote:
[quote]louiek wrote:
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
[quote]louiek wrote:
Not trying to be off topic: Is there any way to get on a carb-backloading diet without purchasing the $80 book? Anywhere I can read some of his work or get some more information?
Right now I drink coffee before 12, eat protein 12-5, workout at 5, and after my workout have carbs for the rest of the day. Started experimenting with that eating style because I read about it on EliteFTS and a couple other sites. It’s actually working just fine, but it’s obviously not the real diet plan, and I really don’t have the cash for the book.[/quote]
You should be able to piece together the diet from this forum. You’re pretty much doing it now anyway. The only thing I could think to change is to have a PWO shake one hour after your workout. Make sure it consists of 50g protein and 40g high GI carbs. An hour after that then start the carb backload. But don’t do it all night. A 4 hour window works well. [/quote]
I’ll read this thread then, thanks.
So would something like this work?
awake-12p - coffee (black)
12-5 - protein (chicken & cheeseburgers)
5-6 - workout (usually 1hr30min)
6-7 - PWO shake (bananas, little protein)
7-11 - carbs (white rice, potatoes, yams)
11-sleep - protein(?)/water
Then on “off” days, it’d be the same thing, except maybe less carbs and no PWO meal? I don’t really have off days. All off days involve some type of conditioning or sled pulling.[/quote]
What is your goal? And your training like? You wouldn’t backload after conditioning work unless you’re trying to gain weight, just so you know.[/quote]
Goal is strength gain. Training schedule is this:
sun - ME lower
mon - morning: sled pulling lower body - night: ME upper
tue - sled pulling upper body
wed - DE lower + forearms
thurs - sled pulling lower body
fri - C&J + upper body assistance
sat - sled pulling upper body
Not planning on loading up on carbs on my “off” days.
[quote]louiek wrote:
[quote]wiggles wrote:
[quote]louiek wrote:
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
[quote]louiek wrote:
Not trying to be off topic: Is there any way to get on a carb-backloading diet without purchasing the $80 book? Anywhere I can read some of his work or get some more information?
Right now I drink coffee before 12, eat protein 12-5, workout at 5, and after my workout have carbs for the rest of the day. Started experimenting with that eating style because I read about it on EliteFTS and a couple other sites. It’s actually working just fine, but it’s obviously not the real diet plan, and I really don’t have the cash for the book.[/quote]
You should be able to piece together the diet from this forum. You’re pretty much doing it now anyway. The only thing I could think to change is to have a PWO shake one hour after your workout. Make sure it consists of 50g protein and 40g high GI carbs. An hour after that then start the carb backload. But don’t do it all night. A 4 hour window works well. [/quote]
I’ll read this thread then, thanks.
So would something like this work?
awake-12p - coffee (black)
12-5 - protein (chicken & cheeseburgers)
5-6 - workout (usually 1hr30min)
6-7 - PWO shake (bananas, little protein)
7-11 - carbs (white rice, potatoes, yams)
11-sleep - protein(?)/water
Then on “off” days, it’d be the same thing, except maybe less carbs and no PWO meal? I don’t really have off days. All off days involve some type of conditioning or sled pulling.[/quote]
What is your goal? And your training like? You wouldn’t backload after conditioning work unless you’re trying to gain weight, just so you know.[/quote]
Goal is strength gain. Training schedule is this:
sun - ME lower
mon - morning: sled pulling lower body - night: ME upper
tue - sled pulling upper body
wed - DE lower + forearms
thurs - sled pulling lower body
fri - C&J + upper body assistance
sat - sled pulling upper body
Not planning on loading up on carbs on my “off” days.[/quote]
then your schedule looks good.