7:30 wake up
9:00 Coffee with cream
11:30 4 strips bacon, 3 eggs, various veggies - 4g carbs
16:00 8oz sausage, various veggies - 6g carbs
17:30 3 sees candies, 1 apple - 60g carbs?
20:00 Italian buffet. Don’t have any idea at all lol
TOTAL: XXX?
Where you at whodi?
far out! whats happened to this thread? Sioux?!?
Got a question for any of the backloaders in here. What detail does Keifer’s book go into in regards to High-Low GI carbs in the backloading window? I think I read somewhere that he prefers Higher GI so you get a quicker peak and quicker drop off in insulin. Im wondering if my Muesli as a carb source is too slowly digested to fit in with his concepts. Idea being the sooner you can get back to low insulin levels the better for fat burning.
No question what happned to this? I miss.
I have been doing it with medium GI (brown rice, oatmeal) and the results are great.
Clearly Backloading has killed Siouxfan. I guess I won’t be trying it.
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
No question what happned to this? I miss.
I have been doing it with medium GI (brown rice, oatmeal) and the results are great.[/quote]
I thought you were using IF and carb cycling? or you using everything? (: actually I kind of am too. Fasting as well as carb cycling and backloading. Working very well for fatloss but I cant wait to try a serious bulk on it.
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
far out! whats happened to this thread? Sioux?!?
Got a question for any of the backloaders in here. What detail does Keifer’s book go into in regards to High-Low GI carbs in the backloading window? I think I read somewhere that he prefers Higher GI so you get a quicker peak and quicker drop off in insulin. Im wondering if my Muesli as a carb source is too slowly digested to fit in with his concepts. Idea being the sooner you can get back to low insulin levels the better for fat burning.[/quote]
It goes into a great level of detail, I highly suggest reading it.
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
No question what happned to this? I miss.
I have been doing it with medium GI (brown rice, oatmeal) and the results are great.[/quote]
I thought you were using IF and carb cycling? or you using everything? (: actually I kind of am too. Fasting as well as carb cycling and backloading. Working very well for fatloss but I cant wait to try a serious bulk on it. [/quote]
I use IF and carb backloading together. WOrks very well with how I am and my schedule. No true cycling of anything Just 500+g of carbs every night. BOOM
I have been back loading for about a month now and I love it. I feel great in the gym, using weights that I couldn’t before and for more reps. I haven’t gained any noticeable fat and feel great.
have been doing CBL:Strength accumulation for almost two months now, and I’m having great strength gains, i feel great. The protocol also makes it easy to tweak and adjust everything. If i wake up with a bloat i know i went overboard, or ate something i shouldn’t - then i adjust.
Usually go fasted until i train, at around 4-5. I drink coffee with coconut oil and a tiny bit of whey isolate. Coffee for the caffeine, and to stop hunger. Coconut oil to prolong ketogenesis. If i eat enough the night before, its not a problem going that long. If the day before was bad, i might have a some eggs or a steak before training.
I usually do Isolate/hydrolysate/dextrose/leucine/creatine/glutamine for my shake post training, and backload with two meals consisting of steak and mashed potatoes. On leg day i usually throw in a donut or two. On off days i don’t eat much, and keep it under 30g carbs.
I really love doing CBL. It works great and its practical and easy to do.
Sorry guys, I’m not dead. Fell off the wagon for a bit, no gym etc etc. I’m finishing up a plan I had with shelby to get me back on track. I was working with him last summer and didn’t finish, so I’m back with that to clean some things up before heading back to CBL. Also working out my gym stuff (I’m back to training now) but may be looking at yet another setback with my right knee. I’m going to my ortho surgeon Monday to have him check it out. My weight is at 235, so I’m still going steady even with the month or so off.
So does shelby work with CBL meal plans at all if thats the way you want to eat. I know he likes it personally. I have seen him say that at least. But will he make the marcos out and you can still CBL? Or does he force the 6 meals a day business?
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
So does shelby work with CBL meal plans at all if thats the way you want to eat. I know he likes it personally. I have seen him say that at least. But will he make the marcos out and you can still CBL? Or does he force the 6 meals a day business?[/quote]
Right now I’m finishing up the plan I started with him, which was just standard carb cycling. I’m currently at 30g of carbs a day and staying there. Once I’m done with shelby though I’ll be a lot leaner and in a very good position to start density bulking. I’m with john meadows right now as well so I’ll start posting my workouts in here again as a start 
Does anyone else have any before/after pics? or can shed some light on their experiences thus far?
I’m starting the backloading again tomorrow, no prep phase this time though since I’m only a couple pounds heavier than when I had my bf tested at 7.4%. I’ll also start logging the workouts and keep everyone updated again.
I quit. I attempted to try to get “lean gains” from it.
Starting body weight 169 - Waist 31.25
Prep phase ending body weight 165 - Waist 30.5
1 week into ‘light’ backloading body weight 167 - Waist 30.75
6 weeks later of true backloading body weight 171 - Waist 31.75
The initial weight and measurement was bloated after NYE. I was sitting at around 167 before… so basically the prep phase, and then re-introducing carbs just took me back to a homeostasis. From there, I gained 4lbs and an inch on my waist. Not ideal results, IMO… and I didn’t care for the setup of the diet enough to continue. I followed it pretty much to a T, but have had better results with my old diet:
6am coffee, cream
12pm 10oz chicken, broccoli, blueberries, almonds, fish oil
3pm Metabolic Drive muscle growth, natty pb
5pm SWF + MAG-10
8pm dinner… eat til I’m stuffed, get plenty of protein, carbs, etc… but don’t over eat.
and I think when I need more food, I might add in an extra scoop of SWF, or maybe a finibar, or something… and have a bigger cheat on a weekend
[quote]gabex wrote:
I quit. I attempted to try to get “lean gains” from it.
Starting body weight 169 - Waist 31.25
Prep phase ending body weight 165 - Waist 30.5
1 week into ‘light’ backloading body weight 167 - Waist 30.75
6 weeks later of true backloading body weight 171 - Waist 31.75
The initial weight and measurement was bloated after NYE. I was sitting at around 167 before… so basically the prep phase, and then re-introducing carbs just took me back to a homeostasis. From there, I gained 4lbs and an inch on my waist. Not ideal results, IMO… and I didn’t care for the setup of the diet enough to continue. I followed it pretty much to a T, but have had better results with my old diet:
6am coffee, cream
12pm 10oz chicken, broccoli, blueberries, almonds, fish oil
3pm Metabolic Drive muscle growth, natty pb
5pm SWF + MAG-10
8pm dinner… eat til I’m stuffed, get plenty of protein, carbs, etc… but don’t over eat.
and I think when I need more food, I might add in an extra scoop of SWF, or maybe a finibar, or something… and have a bigger cheat on a weekend[/quote]
Your old diet looks like Keifers Backloading to me.
If youre dumping it based on a half inch net gain in waist size you might be jumping the gun. How sure are you that the increase is fat gain and not simply additional food weight and possibly bloating due to bad food choice? Hows your strength been on his protocol?
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
[quote]gabex wrote:
I quit. I attempted to try to get “lean gains” from it.
Starting body weight 169 - Waist 31.25
Prep phase ending body weight 165 - Waist 30.5
1 week into ‘light’ backloading body weight 167 - Waist 30.75
6 weeks later of true backloading body weight 171 - Waist 31.75
The initial weight and measurement was bloated after NYE. I was sitting at around 167 before… so basically the prep phase, and then re-introducing carbs just took me back to a homeostasis. From there, I gained 4lbs and an inch on my waist. Not ideal results, IMO… and I didn’t care for the setup of the diet enough to continue. I followed it pretty much to a T, but have had better results with my old diet:
6am coffee, cream
12pm 10oz chicken, broccoli, blueberries, almonds, fish oil
3pm Metabolic Drive muscle growth, natty pb
5pm SWF + MAG-10
8pm dinner… eat til I’m stuffed, get plenty of protein, carbs, etc… but don’t over eat.
and I think when I need more food, I might add in an extra scoop of SWF, or maybe a finibar, or something… and have a bigger cheat on a weekend[/quote]
Your old diet looks like Keifers Backloading to me.
If youre dumping it based on a half inch net gain in waist size you might be jumping the gun. How sure are you that the increase is fat gain and not simply additional food weight and possibly bloating due to bad food choice? Hows your strength been on his protocol?[/quote]
You raise good points, when I was backloading my weight was dropping. You could always do it with cleaner food as well, or if you found your weight increasing to try lowering the carbs a little?
my old/now diet has periworkout (and preworkout) carbs and over 30g net carbs preworkout
CBL is no fruit and under 30g carbs preworkout. And post workout my carb intake was supposed to be 350-450ish (depending on what chart you use)
also, when I train on saturday late mornings, I have carbs post workout, and I don’t wait til 6pm to start eating them.
similar, but different.
btw, that’s not a 1/2 inch gain. it’s a full inch. I tried to specify that the 167# weight is what I was at, but I ate like shit from xmas-jan 1 and was holding a little bit (that wouldve went away with prep phase or any other form of cleaning up my diet). and an inch gained from 4lbs gained is too much, and a 4lb gain in 6wks is nothing special, IMO.
And I never ate too dirty… dinner would be like 10oz teriyaki sirloin, 1 cup (dry) white rice, and 7-8 gluten free cookies … and that was just to hit my carb intake.
the whole merit of the diet was basically ‘you can’t get fat by following these steps’
I don’t doubt I could’ve probably altered the diet to work, but I don’t see the need to follow his guidelines per the book, so I won’t call it his diet… and I was eating like that for at least 6 mo before the book came out, etc… not to say I don’t give him credit for some of the ideas I implement
I’ll keep logging the progress. I’ll give it another month or two before getting my bf checked again (and compare the results). Do you think it would be worthwhile to do the prep phase over? (I had a munch fest today lol)