Carb Back Loading 2.0

Nutrition
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[quote]Daveski7 wrote:
Not really man this was a way to fill up for heavy Deads. i wouldnt recommend it. although High Glycemic foods are a must

[quote]throws56 wrote:

[quote]Daveski7 wrote:
It was Cool, i woke up feeling a lil sluggish but i felt pretty good physically. Repeated last night after testing the waters af a new pr and added frosted flakes, i feel mentally good. also slept an extra hour though.

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[quote]Daveski7 wrote:
SO i think i may have hit around 1000grams of carbs lastnight, box of apple turnovers, 10 cup cakes, 1 12 inch subway melt, and somthing like 4 medium bagels and cream cheese, large choco-peanut milk shake and peanut clusters and pizza it was pretty filling.
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And THAT is how you do it. Sounds awesome.[/quote]
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Its pretty crazy. 4000 calories worth of carbs!

What are your guys work outs like? low volume heavy ass weight, hi volume moderate weight, HEAVY ASS WEIGHT-HIGH VOLUME?

I havent red the book, so Im not sure on the science behind it, other than the circadian rythm and GLut4 interaction helping the calories to the muscle and not the fat cells.

Im wondering if you need to be doing insane aounts of carbs like 700 to 1000 grams to repping the full benefits of BL…thoughts?
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Yea, I understand the high Glycemic part, but guess I just cant understand anyone being able to store that much glycogen, and thought maybe i was missing something. Just to confirm, you do not think you had any spill over from two nights of that shit?

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Actual Scale weight i back about a lb from normal. Im thinking my body rejsected some carbs. But spill over i dont think so i typically would know. i hold water easily. But during the day i did kick up h2o to atleast a gallon prior to lifting that may have helped. my trainingthe last 2 days were max efort “testing grounds” for a new Strength Cycle leading up to a meet. Today will be high as well, around 800 carbs or so.

[quote]throws56 wrote:

[quote]Daveski7 wrote:
Not really man this was a way to fill up for heavy Deads. i wouldnt recommend it. although High Glycemic foods are a must

[quote]throws56 wrote:

[quote]Daveski7 wrote:
It was Cool, i woke up feeling a lil sluggish but i felt pretty good physically. Repeated last night after testing the waters af a new pr and added frosted flakes, i feel mentally good. also slept an extra hour though.

[quote]wiggles wrote:

[quote]Daveski7 wrote:
SO i think i may have hit around 1000grams of carbs lastnight, box of apple turnovers, 10 cup cakes, 1 12 inch subway melt, and somthing like 4 medium bagels and cream cheese, large choco-peanut milk shake and peanut clusters and pizza it was pretty filling.
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And THAT is how you do it. Sounds awesome.[/quote]
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Its pretty crazy. 4000 calories worth of carbs!

What are your guys work outs like? low volume heavy ass weight, hi volume moderate weight, HEAVY ASS WEIGHT-HIGH VOLUME?

I havent red the book, so Im not sure on the science behind it, other than the circadian rythm and GLut4 interaction helping the calories to the muscle and not the fat cells.

Im wondering if you need to be doing insane aounts of carbs like 700 to 1000 grams to repping the full benefits of BL…thoughts?
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Yea, I understand the high Glycemic part, but guess I just cant understand anyone being able to store that much glycogen, and thought maybe i was missing something. Just to confirm, you do not think you had any spill over from two nights of that shit?

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[quote]throws56 wrote:

[quote]Daveski7 wrote:
It was Cool, i woke up feeling a lil sluggish but i felt pretty good physically. Repeated last night after testing the waters af a new pr and added frosted flakes, i feel mentally good. also slept an extra hour though.

[quote]wiggles wrote:

[quote]Daveski7 wrote:
SO i think i may have hit around 1000grams of carbs lastnight, box of apple turnovers, 10 cup cakes, 1 12 inch subway melt, and somthing like 4 medium bagels and cream cheese, large choco-peanut milk shake and peanut clusters and pizza it was pretty filling.
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And THAT is how you do it. Sounds awesome.[/quote]
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Its pretty crazy. 4000 calories worth of carbs!

What are your guys work outs like? low volume heavy ass weight, hi volume moderate weight, HEAVY ASS WEIGHT-HIGH VOLUME?

I havent red the book, so Im not sure on the science behind it, other than the circadian rythm and GLut4 interaction helping the calories to the muscle and not the fat cells.

Im wondering if you need to be doing insane aounts of carbs like 700 to 1000 grams to repping the full benefits of BL…thoughts?
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I tend to feel and look better in the mornings when I start to reach 800+ grams of carbs. I mainly use rice and waxy maize. I’m amazed at how much waxy maize I can drink and still wake up feeling great. Mind you I make sure my workouts are intense and with decent volume. I want to earn the backload.

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The beauty of training the strongman events plus doing the Coan/Phillipi DL routine is that I eat like a backloading baus and get leaner/bigger. Basically heavy ass weight almost all the time, volume varies. I’ve tried 700+g of carbs but my stomach basically said FUUU and that was that. 400-500 on training days is my sweet spot.

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[quote]wiggles wrote:
The beauty of training the strongman events plus doing the Coan/Phillipi DL routine is that I eat like a backloading baus and get leaner/bigger. Basically heavy ass weight almost all the time, volume varies. I’ve tried 700+g of carbs but my stomach basically said FUUU and that was that. 400-500 on training days is my sweet spot.[/quote]

Yea, I would find it hard to find foods I could eat 700g of carbs for. Potatoes maybe, otherwise it would have to be candy, but that would suck cause I’d want to keep the carbs as glucose rather than sucrose.

even for me, 300g with 120g-150g of protein from a mix of powder and meat leaves me feeling very full for at least 3 hours afterwards.

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[quote]throws56 wrote:

[quote]wiggles wrote:
The beauty of training the strongman events plus doing the Coan/Phillipi DL routine is that I eat like a backloading baus and get leaner/bigger. Basically heavy ass weight almost all the time, volume varies. I’ve tried 700+g of carbs but my stomach basically said FUUU and that was that. 400-500 on training days is my sweet spot.[/quote]

Yea, I would find it hard to find foods I could eat 700g of carbs for. Potatoes maybe, otherwise it would have to be candy, but that would suck cause I’d want to keep the carbs as glucose rather than sucrose.

even for me, 300g with 120g-150g of protein from a mix of powder and meat leaves me feeling very full for at least 3 hours afterwards.[/quote]

Jelly bellys bro. I’ve got to specifically measure them out to make sure I don’t go full retard and eat the whole jug. Amazin.

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I’ve been using muffins on my carb ups. I just use a pan and cook one gigantic muffin. I live for that shit.

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[quote]JK29 wrote:
I’ve been using muffins on my carb ups. I just use a pan and cook one gigantic muffin. I live for that shit. [/quote]

There’s something I could be into, but i try keeping the fat lower during my back loads. Its prolly around 15-20 grams most of the time for the entire thing.

If I could find some gluten free pancake mix, that could be a nice solution :slight_smile:

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Bob's Red Mill Gluten Free Cornbread Mix | 20 Oz. | International Speciality | Hannaford free

Maybe this, or some leangains cheesecakes im thinking.

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I definitely ate tons of cookies, jelly beans and cupcakes during a backload last night and woke up feeling fuller and better than most i have before.

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I can’t physically eat 1000g of carbs. I rely heavily on waxy maize, mixes up nice and has a tasty flavor. Definitely an easy way to get more carbs. I am going to experiment with dextros and malto in the near future.

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do you guys really think its required for backloading to be effective? Does anyone know what the book says about carb intake requirements for a backload?

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[quote]StateOfPsychosis wrote:
I can’t physically eat 1000g of carbs. I rely heavily on waxy maize, mixes up nice and has a tasty flavor. Definitely an easy way to get more carbs. I am going to experiment with dextros and malto in the near future.[/quote]

I used waxy maize before, but it basically worked like a laxative for me. Malto is nice because it’s super cheap, basically flavor/texture free, and you can pack in 50-100g of carbs in a shaker bottle worth of water and not even realize what you did. Helps me when I want a dinner like steak, salad, and a baked potato and don’t want to eat 8 potatoes (or w/e I need to hit my carb window).

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[quote]StateOfPsychosis wrote:
I can’t physically eat 1000g of carbs. I rely heavily on waxy maize, mixes up nice and has a tasty flavor. Definitely an easy way to get more carbs. I am going to experiment with dextros and malto in the near future.[/quote]

Mna up and eat lol just kidding, not really. Moving on i wouldnt hit up all those corn sugars try some rice or white bread.

Carb intake depends on you, and your prep phase and you weight and the position of the moon in regards to the summer soltice.

My back

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[quote]Daveski7 wrote:

[quote]StateOfPsychosis wrote:
I can’t physically eat 1000g of carbs. I rely heavily on waxy maize, mixes up nice and has a tasty flavor. Definitely an easy way to get more carbs. I am going to experiment with dextros and malto in the near future.[/quote]

Mna up and eat lol just kidding, not really. Moving on i wouldnt hit up all those corn sugars try some rice or white bread.

Carb intake depends on you, and your prep phase and you weight and the position of the moon in regards to the summer soltice.

My back[/quote]

This posting is very “old spice-esque”, and I love it.

but seriously, I’m shutting to get down to 8 or 9 percent body fat for the end of August. I think when i plan on “bulking” again, ill do some full throttle backloading (i.e. 700 to 1000g backloads), maybe ill stop being a cheap bastard and pony up 90 bucks for the book…maybe.

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[quote]Daveski7 wrote:

[quote]StateOfPsychosis wrote:
I can’t physically eat 1000g of carbs. I rely heavily on waxy maize, mixes up nice and has a tasty flavor. Definitely an easy way to get more carbs. I am going to experiment with dextros and malto in the near future.[/quote]

Mna up and eat lol just kidding, not really. Moving on i wouldnt hit up all those corn sugars try some rice or white bread.

Carb intake depends on you, and your prep phase and you weight and the position of the moon in regards to the summer soltice.

My back[/quote]

White bread? Great suggestion…

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[quote]wiggles wrote:
I’m Density Bulking, so I’ll drop my plan. Now, I’ve become very efficient (not quite mastered) the whole “how do you look/feel” in the morning test that Keifer talks about in the book. I think that’s crucial when doing the Density Bulk if you don’t want to get super sloppy/feel like shit.

Wake: 6:20 am

From 6:30 AM - ~12PM: Kiefer coffee (splenda, coconut oil, heavy cream, 10-15g whey in coffee)
Fish Oil (5g)
Macros: Fat - ~30-35 for the morning, Pro - 20g for the morning, maybe 30g

Lunch: Steak Salad, Grilled Chicken Salad (you get the idea) with oil and red wine vinegar, Fish Oil (5g)
Macros: Fat - usu. ~40-60g, Pro - usu ~ 60g (use shake if not), Carb - <15g from incidentals

Mid Afternoon, 3-4 pm b/t patients: Serving or 2 of almonds, 50g whey (works for me)
Macros: ~15-20g Fat, ~60g Pro

Pre-Dinner, ~6 pm: 50g whey, faster carbs like jelly beans (shut up, I love jelly belly)
Macros: ~50g Pro, 130g Carb

Dinner, ~7-8 (whenever I’m done cooking): Something like steak and potatoes, or carry out burger and fries, usually just whatever I’m feeling within reason.
Macros: ~50-100g Pro between now and bed, depending on the meal. Carbs ~ 150g

In short, I keep my carbs near 300g or less on off days. This keeps me waking up without holding too much water in the morning, and by mid-day I’m looking super sexy again. I go up to 400-500g of Carbs on my backloads. At this rate, I’m gaining about .5-.8 lb/week of scale weight, but the pinchable portion of my lower abs is diminishing quickly at the same time. My gym lifts are also going up with it, so I can’t complain.

I’ve got really shallow abs though, so I’ve just got a flat-ish stomach lol.

Hope that helps.[/quote]

Not too far off from what I’ve been doing so far. I’m trying for 250g on off days and 350g+ on training days.

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[quote]IronAbrams wrote:

Not too far off from what I’ve been doing so far. I’m trying for 250g on off days and 350g+ on training days.[/quote]

Sounds like a good start. If you’re feeling flat on mornings after major workouts at 350g carbs, don’t be afraid to bump it up. I go by appetite here and it works for me at least. If I get in 400g of carbs and I’m still starving, I’ll smash some more. Otherwise, I’m doneski.

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I’ve been IFing for over a year, enjoy this eating style and don’t plan to change. I fast from 7 p.m. - noon or 1 p.m. My main meal is in the evening. I’m also interested in Carb Backloading. Here’s my question:
I train fasted early, 6:30 a.m. Basic heavy weights 3-4x/week & some KB and cardio on other days.
I do take BCAA during training and a 24g whey shake with metamucil an hour or so post training.
So will I get the benefits of carb backloading if I eat plenty of carbs in the evening meal?

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[quote]StateOfPsychosis wrote:

[quote]Daveski7 wrote:

[quote]StateOfPsychosis wrote:
I can’t physically eat 1000g of carbs. I rely heavily on waxy maize, mixes up nice and has a tasty flavor. Definitely an easy way to get more carbs. I am going to experiment with dextros and malto in the near future.[/quote]

Mna up and eat lol just kidding, not really. Moving on i wouldnt hit up all those corn sugars try some rice or white bread.

Carb intake depends on you, and your prep phase and you weight and the position of the moon in regards to the summer soltice.

My back[/quote]

White bread? Great suggestion…[/quote]

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