Can't Rep the DL, Anyone Else?

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okay, so just a while ago i failed pulling 475x2 (95% of 1RM) not only did this happen ones, but twice. I got 475x1 and got the second up to my knees. other variables may be a factor such sleep or food, but that’s not were i am getting at. i struggle when it comes to reps, i pulled 405 before i could rep 365 or even 385.

When i could rep 365 and 385, it did absolute nothing for my 1rm. (this was months ago) recently i changed my stance, i went to conv. to what i call a narrow sumo(my legs are still inside the rings) after this change i went to a 445 to a 495 in 2 months. During this time frame, i only did stiff leg deadlifts,and i though that contributed big to my progress. it seems the only time i manage to get PRs is when i go for an all out single, which is what i am avoiding. Not looking for anyone to give me a solution, but i am wondering if anyone has a similar problem?

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Do you have a video?

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[quote]csulli wrote:
Do you have a video?[/quote]

i could try get a video next session, but i will be honest i did have some back rounding.

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Do you dead stop or touch and go your DL reps?

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[quote]PLslay wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:
Do you have a video?[/quote]

i could try get a video next session, but i will be honest i did have some back rounding. [/quote]
You’re talking to the king of back rounding.

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I have the opposite problem. I just did 315 for six but I doubt I can pull over 345. But a lot of my lifting had been higher rep stuff. Have your programs focused on only doing 1-3 reps each set?

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Do you dead stop or touch and go your DL reps? [/quote]
dead stops.

[quote]Jathan.young wrote:
I have the opposite problem. I just did 315 for six but I doubt I can pull over 345. But a lot of my lifting had been higher rep stuff. Have your programs focused on only doing 1-3 reps each set?[/quote]

imo, i feel like it varies on the individual. You might be better at repping than pulling maximum weight. usually 1-5 reps, then again recently i only been pulling singles, or trips. i pulled 495 very quickly from 445, and i never really rep anything in between those two. i been sticking around 90-95% and trying to increase my workload through that range, so i can get stronger. sadly enough that hasn’t been working out so well, and it very frustrating. i just want 550 lol.

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The reason that rest is so important for your whole body is: your muscle’s if tired will tell your brain we are tired! if your brain is tired it will make you tired? wrong! you have to physically go to bed and rest, and sleep, think of it this way, if your tired and carry on awake will there be tell tale signs that you have when your tired and should be asleep? Mood altering, Stressed, lethargic, etc. It is the same when you incur an injury, a sprain, a tear or torn muscle, if you have a routine sleep pattern your recovery will be much better, which will allow you to do more heavy sets as your body will recognize the need and produce what you need in order to deal with the extra workload you want it to attain.

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[quote]PLslay wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Do you dead stop or touch and go your DL reps? [/quote]
dead stops.
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I know some of the stronger DLers on here advocate touch and go. Hopefully they will chime in.

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I am horrible at doing deadlifts for reps. I literally never do them heavy, because I have always been bad at them AND I never saw good carryover to my 1rm, which as a powerlifter is what I really care about.

I just focus on my squats, and do really light touch and go deadlifts/deadlift variations to try and build up my glutes/lower back/hamstrings with a lot of time under tension with lighter weights.

I’m not a great deadliter at all, but I do suck at reps, and when I embraced the fact that rep dl didn’t seem to carry over much to my 1rm, I started getting a lot stronger.

To give you an idea what I am talking about - the heaviest dl reps I have ever done in my life is 405 x 3. Two weeks after that I did a max pull after max squatting and benching and pulled 505.

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[quote]Davel50 wrote:
The reason that rest is so important for your whole body is: your muscle’s if tired will tell your brain we are tired! if your brain is tired it will make you tired? wrong! you have to physically go to bed and rest, and sleep, think of it this way, if your tired and carry on awake will there be tell tale signs that you have when your tired and should be asleep? Mood altering, Stressed, lethargic, etc. It is the same when you incur an injury, a sprain, a tear or torn muscle, if you have a routine sleep pattern your recovery will be much better, which will allow you to do more heavy sets as your body will recognize the need and produce what you need in order to deal with the extra workload you want it to attain.
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this is true, but at this point i feel it’s just programming.

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]PLslay wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Do you dead stop or touch and go your DL reps? [/quote]
dead stops.
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I know some of the stronger DLers on here advocate touch and go. Hopefully they will chime in. [/quote]

i always done dead stops dude to the fact that i can get stronger breaking the weight off the floor, touch and go will allow me to do more, but i never really liked it. something to take in consideration .

[quote]N.K. wrote:
I am horrible at doing deadlifts for reps. I literally never do them heavy, because I have always been bad at them AND I never saw good carryover to my 1rm, which as a powerlifter is what I really care about.

I just focus on my squats, and do really light touch and go deadlifts/deadlift variations to try and build up my glutes/lower back/hamstrings with a lot of time under tension with lighter weights.

I’m not a great deadliter at all, but I do suck at reps, and when I embraced the fact that rep dl didn’t seem to carry over much to my 1rm, I started getting a lot stronger.

To give you an idea what I am talking about - the heaviest dl reps I have ever done in my life is 405 x 3. Two weeks after that I did a max pull after max squatting and benching and pulled 505. [/quote]

this is pretty much were i am getting at, it seems you did accessory work and came back to pull a PR(which is a huge jump in your case lol). tbh this kind of brings up the case if you need to deadlift more to be a better deadlifter. just like you i could just do other variation of the deadlift (stiffs/defecits) and pause squats and could probably pull a PR in 4-6 weeks. Hopefully other lifters can chime in.

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[quote]PLslay wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

I know some of the stronger DLers on here advocate touch and go. Hopefully they will chime in. [/quote]

i always done dead stops dude to the fact that i can get stronger breaking the weight off the floor, touch and go will allow me to do more, but i never really liked it. something to take in consideration .

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You didn’t fail off the floor, you failed at the lockout. So there’s your weak point. Touch and go can allow you to do more work in this range of the motion. Rack pulls may also be a reasonable assistance exercise for you. Although I will say, doing doubles at 95% of your max is pretty difficult in and of itself. Perhaps your expectations are unreasonable.

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]PLslay wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

I know some of the stronger DLers on here advocate touch and go. Hopefully they will chime in. [/quote]

i always done dead stops dude to the fact that i can get stronger breaking the weight off the floor, touch and go will allow me to do more, but i never really liked it. something to take in consideration .

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You didn’t fail off the floor, you failed at the lockout. So there’s your weak point. Touch and go can allow you to do more work in this range of the motion. Rack pulls may also be a reasonable assistance exercise for you. Although I will say, doing doubles at 95% of your max is pretty difficult in and of itself. Perhaps your expectations are unreasonable.[/quote]

it’s hard to say when i didn’t get the lift recorded, but i will say is just more of a technique issue, had slight round and it made lockout a lot harder than it should have. I never done rack pulls so that’s something i might try. Agree pulling 95% for dub isn’t the easiest thing in the world, lol and i pretty much agree with you on the last line.

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I’m still pretty new to deadlifts, I only do them once a week, and go pretty heavy for 5-8 sets of 3. Should I actually work at being able to rep out say 85% of my max 8 or 10 times? Or is the DL primarily a strength building lift?

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[quote]Aidan76543 wrote:
I’m still pretty new to deadlifts, I only do them once a week, and go pretty heavy for 5-8 sets of 3. Should I actually work at being able to rep out say 85% of my max 8 or 10 times? Or is the DL primarily a strength building lift?[/quote]

Truth be told, I see the dl as a strength demonstrator rather than builder. I built a much stronger dead by NOT deadlifting than deadlifting.

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[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]Aidan76543 wrote:
I’m still pretty new to deadlifts, I only do them once a week, and go pretty heavy for 5-8 sets of 3. Should I actually work at being able to rep out say 85% of my max 8 or 10 times? Or is the DL primarily a strength building lift?[/quote]

Truth be told, I see the dl as a strength demonstrator rather than builder. I built a much stronger dead by NOT deadlifting than deadlifting.[/quote]

interesting, mind sharing what you do to increase your deadlift? accessory lifts and such and how many times you pull heavy?

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[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]Aidan76543 wrote:
I’m still pretty new to deadlifts, I only do them once a week, and go pretty heavy for 5-8 sets of 3. Should I actually work at being able to rep out say 85% of my max 8 or 10 times? Or is the DL primarily a strength building lift?[/quote]

Truth be told, I see the dl as a strength demonstrator rather than builder. I built a much stronger dead by NOT deadlifting than deadlifting.[/quote]

Agree totally.

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OP, I just deadlifted 500x3 two weeks ago, which was a PR. At my last meet I deadlifted 570 with more in the tank. I think that’s just the nature of the deadlift, especially with dead stop reps.

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[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
OP, I just deadlifted 500x3 two weeks ago, which was a PR. At my last meet I deadlifted 570 with more in the tank. I think that’s just the nature of the deadlift, especially with dead stop reps.[/quote]

such is life… also strong pulls man.

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[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
OP, I just deadlifted 500x3 two weeks ago, which was a PR. At my last meet I deadlifted 570 with more in the tank. I think that’s just the nature of the deadlift, especially with dead stop reps.[/quote]

This is honestly why I like touch and go so much. I’ll try to combine the two, and rest pause my touch and go sets, such that I’ll end up pulling dead off the floor 3 times while totaling 7-14 reps. You only seem to have so much gas for breaking a dead weight, with so much more potential for strength later in the movement.