Speaking as someone who has been a Corrections Officer since Clinton was president I can tell you there are a lot of “accidents” in jails and prisons. The one problem with death is it puts an end to physical suffering and torture. More often than not justice delayed is not necessarily justice denied.
I did not say that the child was damaged goods or could not overcome and live a productive and maybe happy life. I said those are scars that persist forever. And pretty potent ones. A crime like rape probably has a lasting impact whatever the age of the Victim. Much more of an impact if it’s a child victim. Self-hate and blame are big problems with rape Victims, especially children. That doesn’t mean the victim’s life is ‘over.’ Just that it’s an awfully big hurdle to overcome. And a pretty heinous crime. Especially when it’s directed at a child. One of the most heinous.
The only reason I can really see why the death penalty would not be justified in this case where it is for murder is if not applying it acts as any deterrent to murdering the Victim as Sifu has said. Maybe it does. I don’t know. And maybe it is harder on the child Victim if they feel like they are responsible for sending another to death. I guess that would be another reason not to have the death penalty here.
[quote]saps wrote:
Speaking as someone who has been a Corrections Officer since Clinton was president I can tell you there are a lot of “accidents” in jails and prisons. The one problem with death is it puts an end to physical suffering and torture. More often than not justice delayed is not necessarily justice denied.[/quote]
Good man! I’d LOVE to be a guard around the John Cooey dude, who buried a liitle girl (Jessica Lunsford) alive after repeatedly raping her. Would serious want to beat him with my billyclub every day. My daily workout…
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
I did not say that the child was damaged goods or could not overcome and live a productive and maybe happy life. I said those are scars that persist forever. And pretty potent ones. A crime like rape probably has a lasting impact whatever the age of the Victim. Much more of an impact if it’s a child victim. Self-hate and blame are big problems with rape Victims, especially children. That doesn’t mean the victim’s life is ‘over.’ Just that it’s an awfully big hurdle to overcome. And a pretty heinous crime. Especially when it’s directed at a child. One of the most heinous.
The only reason I can really see why the death penalty would not be justified in this case where it is for murder is if not applying it acts as any deterrent to murdering the Victim as Sifu has said. Maybe it does. I don’t know. And maybe it is harder on the child Victim if they feel like they are responsible for sending another to death. I guess that would be another reason not to have the death penalty here.[/quote]
I have friends who have been through some bad experiences with this stuff. I know a girl who went through just about the same thing as the girl in the SCOTUS case. It was a real learning experience. Many years after the fact I was about to get into it with her molester when she stopped me. She taught me a lesson in forgiveness and from him I learned about regret.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
I did not say that the child was damaged goods or could not overcome and live a productive and maybe happy life. I said those are scars that persist forever. And pretty potent ones. A crime like rape probably has a lasting impact whatever the age of the Victim.
Much more of an impact if it’s a child victim. Self-hate and blame are big problems with rape Victims, especially children. That doesn’t mean the victim’s life is ‘over.’ Just that it’s an awfully big hurdle to overcome. And a pretty heinous crime. Especially when it’s directed at a child. One of the most heinous.
The only reason I can really see why the death penalty would not be justified in this case where it is for murder is if not applying it acts as any deterrent to murdering the Victim as Sifu has said. Maybe it does. I don’t know. And maybe it is harder on the child Victim if they feel like they are responsible for sending another to death. I guess that would be another reason not to have the death penalty here.
I have friends who have been through some bad experiences with this stuff. I know a girl who went through just about the same thing as the girl in the SCOTUS case. It was a real learning experience. Many years after the fact I was about to get into it with her molester when she stopped me. She taught me a lesson in forgiveness and from him I learned about regret.
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That is good to hear. I don’t think that executing child rapists is necessarily ‘the way to go.’ But I think the court wrongly reasoned this case. If it’s not appropriate, it’s not because it’s not cruel and unusual when the crime is murder but IS cruel and unusual punishment when the crime is child rape. But because of some of the things you said or other reasons.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Good man! I’d LOVE to be a guard around the John Cooey dude, who buried a liitle girl (Jessica Lunsford) alive after repeatedly raping her. Would serious want to beat him with my billyclub every day. My daily workout…[/quote]
High rep, high weight swinging movements?