Yes but I am talking about when you are not sure if you have another rep in you. Like on the bench press I get 9 reps, and you say “I want to go for another one”, but with the 10th one the bar simply doesn’t budge no matter how hard you push.
Then I get home feeling destroyed after my workout, but an hour or two later I’m thinking “could I have gotten 1 more rep if I would have had more anger in me?”[/quote]
as long as you went for it and give it what you had then its fine man. dont get into over thinking that too lol. if you barely got that last rep up and you went for another one right after and all you could do was lift the bar 2 inches then youve still done more than 95% of the people at the gym.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Scott M wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
as far as switching things up, im all for that. i mean for one, its better to switch things up from a muscle gaining standpoint
Would you mind explaining further what you mean here? I don’t want to comment if I’m interpreting this wrongly.
switching things up from time to time. instead of barbell switch to dumb bells, instead of back squats do front squats. instead of deadlifts do some rows. that way you dont plateau. or whatever else you need to do to avoid plateauing. i mean you should know man, thats one of the key things in DC hence the 3 different exercises for each muscle.
I use on average three different exercises for most muscle groups and it isn’t because of “plateauing”. It is to hit the muscle group from as many angles and positions as possible. I don’t usually just switch things up for no reason. In fact, unless you have a reason to switch things up, why the hell would you do it?[/quote]
right, if something is working, do it til it fails to bear you results. im not saying you should switch things up all the time(im not on that 300 bandwagon). but its understood that youre going to need to from time to time. especially when youre someone like me who hasnt been liftin 5 or 10 years to know what really works best for them. the only youre way youre going to find something better is to try something else.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
<<< especially when youre someone like me who hasnt been liftin 5 or 10 years to know what really works best for them. >>>
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5 or 10 years? Look, I really don’t mean to keep sounding like an elitist snob, but I had about 90% of what would become my training philosophy settled not much past my first year. I picked some adjustments up along the way and am still never above trying something that hits me the right way which is why I keep reading. At this point I can pretty much “feel” for lack of a better way of putting it, whether a technique, exercise or plan is for me long before I’ve wasted much time on it.
That’s for the ones that actually even get tried. Most of the time I can just read something and pretty much know that it doesn’t fit my way of doing things. That doesn’t necessarily make it worthless, but we only live once and and I don’t have a year for every new twist that comes along.
I think it is — all you need to do is lift. As long as your following any reasonably designed routine you will make gains.
Personally, i dont think you even need to be on that good of a diet; i have eaten at mcdonalds for years and i have made great gain without supplements; its probably because i eat enough calories which mcdonalds will diffinitely do for you.
I must say i see a lot of posts like im going on a cut or im going on a bulk; hell i never do either and have always had a very consistent bf percentage while still gaining mass; but i guess i never would look cut enough to go to a bodybuilding tornament; but i dont want to go to one.
I also dont personally always have the perfect form when lifting. I will sling the barbell up when curling or sling the dumbells up when pressing; but this is all about getting the last couple of reps in; i just want to feel the burn and getting those last couple reps in – i have to break my form. No cadence count or anything; just work. Dont log anything either; never have.
At any rate, lift hard and you will see gains; it is that simple (though i must say i have seen some awfully designed programs posted in this forum by beginners where a lot of work is wasted; but if you do your research; you should be able to find a good program).
switching things up from time to time. instead of barbell switch to dumb bells, instead of back squats do front squats. instead of deadlifts do some rows. that way you dont plateau. or whatever else you need to do to avoid plateauing. i mean you should know man, thats one of the key things in DC hence the 3 different exercises for each muscle.
I use on average three different exercises for most muscle groups and it isn’t because of “plateauing”. It is to hit the muscle group from as many angles and positions as possible. I don’t usually just switch things up for no reason. In fact, unless you have a reason to switch things up, why the hell would you do it?[/quote]
Pretty much what I was going to say here. You don’t “switch it up” in DC until you absolutely have destroyed an exercise for weeks-months and milked every last lb out of it. You rotate 3 exercises simply for the reason that it’s near impossible to progress day in and day out on the same exercise done at the pace we are.
If reverse grip pulldowns rack chins and HS pulldowns were the absolute number 1 builders of my lats, why would I EVER switch one of those out if I wasn’t forced to?
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i really doubt youre going to have everything figured out in a year.[/quote]
I did not say “everything figured out in a year” Nobody has EVERYTHING figured out in this lifetime. I did say that I had a personal philosophy or framework 90% in place that is still used as a reference point to this day, or at least that’s what I thought I was saying.
There will always be room for improvement, but you said “5 to 10 years to learn what works” for somebody. I contend that anybody it takes that long for has not even then and likely never will have a solid grasp on how this shit works.
well in 5 years im sure you will know everything there is to know about yourself in terms of lifting. i havent been lifting that long so i dont know if thats exactly how long its going to take or not, but when youre at 5 years im sure you will know. im also sure you WONT know in a year. thats just too short a time.
most people are still figuring out a lot after a year. i would say maybe after 2 years of serious lifting then yea, youll have a pretty good understanding of whats going to work well for you. i dont know maybe you have super abilities and can figure that stuff out faster than others.
You guys are trying to bring a scientific approach to “Switching it up”…sorry. Each person is different and should “switch it up” At his or her own pace. For example I have never done a row in the past month and a half, just pull-ups for my upper back. I take that back maybe I did 2-3 sets of bent over row’s but other then that just pull-ups. But thats just me.
There is not need to take a science approach to switching it up; if you lift consistently and just lift hard, there is no need switch things up until you stop making gain; however, by the time most people stop making gains they are pretty advanced and have probably already been switching things up on there own by adding volume or experimenting with new things.
I know i went through this without ever any body telling me to change my program or knowing the science of it; it just came naturally to me and i think this would be case for most people
i think the main thing is staying consistent with what ever program your on as i think a lot people go between on and off a program so there body never really maxes out on whatever program there following; however, they are always thinking about how to change there program rather than just being consistent with the program there on…i know of been through this a couple times myself in the past; and find going back to my basic program always works…sense then ive learned not to overthink my workouts and just stick with what works… hope i make sense
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
well in 5 years im sure you will know everything there is to know about yourself in terms of lifting. i havent been lifting that long so i dont know if thats exactly how long its going to take or not, but when youre at 5 years im sure you will know. im also sure you WONT know in a year. thats just too short a time.
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This is getting ridiculous. Here’s a tip, if you’ve been training for such little time, stop giving your perspective about how long it takes to get know yourself.
This is a LIFE LONG PROCESS. You will never finish learning how your body adapts. Why? because it will always be adapting as long as you plan on making any progress. What Trib was saying is that the majority of what you need to know in terms of effort, intensity and dedication will be learned early on if you are the type of person who will succeed at this.
If you have been training for 5 years and no one can tell, you are a training retard. Sorry. It takes very little time to learn how much effort this takes in order to make progress. The only ones who don’t figure it out are the ones who usually won’t be making much progress overall anyway…at least not without MUCH guidance.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
well in 5 years im sure you will know everything there is to know about yourself in terms of lifting. i havent been lifting that long so i dont know if thats exactly how long its going to take or not, but when youre at 5 years im sure you will know. im also sure you WONT know in a year. thats just too short a time.
What Trib was saying is that the majority of what you need to know in terms of effort, intensity and dedication will be learned early on if you are the type of person who will succeed at this.
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it didnt seem to me like thats what he was saying. i agree with that much. i think your training character comes out withen the first month or so really in terms of your dedication and whatever.
it didnt seem to me like thats what he was saying.
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That is because, like many other newbies, you over-analyze every single statement and turn it into immovable law. If you don’t understand what it takes to see progress in yourself within the first year, you are “mentally gym challenged”. If it takes you five years, you are in a fucking vegetative training state and should really be taken off life support…
[quote]Professor X wrote:
This is getting ridiculous. Here’s a tip, if you’ve been training for such little time, stop giving your perspective about how long it takes to get know yourself.
This is a LIFE LONG PROCESS. You will never finish learning how your body adapts. Why? because it will always be adapting as long as you plan on making any progress. What Trib was saying is that the majority of what you need to know in terms of effort, intensity and dedication will be learned early on if you are the type of person who will succeed at this.
If you have been training for 5 years and no one can tell, you are a training retard. Sorry. It takes very little time to learn how much effort this takes in order to make progress. The only ones who don’t figure it out are the ones who usually won’t be making much progress overall anyway…at least not without MUCH guidance.
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Yes and just to add, there is an X factor in here (no pun) that I’m sure that Professor X will recognize. It’s tough to type out and I can’t point to a day or event when it happened, but one day I just realized that I was dialed in to my muscles. I knew when I tried an exercise whether I would do well with it usually in the middle of the first set.
It’s subjective. I knew after a workout how sore I would be or not be the next day and whether it was as effective as it could have been. The one major error I made my first time around was not eating enough after a few years and mistaking the lack of progress that caused with my having hit my genetic ceiling.
Again, I don’t mean to come off the wrong way, but some of the questions that get asked here by guys claiming to have been training for years I wouldn’t have asked after 6 months. There have been threads started by people claiming 8 or 10 years of gym time asking what goal they should have. I’m sure there’s plenty of things they are much better at than I am, but weight training isn’t of them.
it didnt seem to me like thats what he was saying.
That is because, like many other newbies, you over-analyze every single statement and turn it into immovable law. If you don’t understand what it takes to see progress in yourself within the first year, you are “mentally gym challenged”. If it takes you five years, you are in a fucking vegetative training state and should really be taken off life support…[/quote]
im not saying you cant see progress and have an idea of what works well, im talking about you cant workout for a year and be able to say oh well that wont work for me, i know so because ive been lifting a year. fuck that.
and what is this over-analyzing shit? the whole main point of my thread was people should stop over analyzing and just get to lifting hard. i wouldnt consider myself a newbie either. i eat newbies for preworkout.
and what is this over-analyzing shit? the whole main point of my thread was people should stop over analyzing and just get to lifting hard. i wouldnt consider myself a newbie either. i eat newbies for preworkout.[/quote]
I think the point might have been that some people don’t need a 5 page thread to remind them to bust their ass in the gym.
Ok this is a good thread, I am an old school BB who lost his way several years ago, my last comp was in 1997 I stacked on the fat made excuses as to why I couldn’t train (injury, cold, too tired etc)or found reasons to justify that pizza I just ate, however I’m Back and I’m gaining size and loosing the Fat and plan to compete again in September. I am by no means a pro, I’ll be stoked to make it on stage.
But I offer one simple word - CONSISTANCY - in order to achieve success in ANYTHING you set out to do you must be consistent in your actions and the choices you make. For Body Building Consistent Training and a Consistent Diet will see good results. No point in having a good diet for monday - friday if your only going to piss all the hard work up against the wall on a Saturday night and then eat that grease loaded Kabob or Burger at 3am and sleep till 2pm and miss your gym session because of a hangover.
Professional Traders in the markets are millionaires/billionaires because they are consistent at making money they don’t make a million one day just to hand it back to the market the next, not that they don’t get it wrong sometimes but they get it right 80% of the time which keeps them in the money.
At the end of it all we all know what we have to do in whatever interest we take, we just need to be consistent.
I’ll say this, I used to give content based advice up until about two weeks ago… when I realized that it’s all about context.
Content, i.e. - do this and eat that, is fine and good, but it’s just information. And information is empty without experience.
Context is about experiencing the joy, pain, and sheer brutality from training. It’s about recognizing that eating well makes you feel better. It’s about all this and more.
It really is simple, but people cloud everything with overanalysis… myself included. Truly enjoy what you are doing and focus on the experience of your training and nutrition. As you come to learn more and more about your training and nutrition through experience, you’ll get that most of what’s out there is bullshit.