Calvert and Milo Barbell

I’m at 3 months of being back to training, though there’s basically nothing to compare against the prior monthly review. A few highlights:

  • abs are stronger, straight leg situps are up to 41 pounds. I also did some backbend situps to try them out; those are the next progression after I hit 50 pounds
  • spinal erectors are stronger, forward bends are up to 98 pounds and hand-to-hand swings are at 50 pounds
  • overhead press is coming back; my 1RM of 115 in June is now an estimated 1RM of at least 140-155 (using velocity) and 110 is a working weight
  • I signed up for my first (pseudo) competition
  • I learned a lot from Sheiko, and refreshed a lot from old Weider/Hoffman articles
  • I built out a time-restricted minimalist strength routine that’s theoretically good

Even though this isn’t much volume or intensity, I feel pretty beat up. It’s like back when I was doing “bulgarian” stuff. Ok, not that bad, but between kids, work, and sleep, feels not great.

My current intensity is a bit above “easy strength” levels, and probably even a bit too high for the Sheiko stuff. I’m not going to decrease the weight. I’ll stick with this until I get stronger with it (maybe when it becomes more like 65-67% rather than 70%) and then be more careful about the increase.

There’s one tendon in my right shoulder that’s been bugging me. Wakes me up early morning. I’ve been hoping it’ll get better on its own but still no luck; 2 weeks now since that fateful axle clean rep.

Elbows have been generally fine. Wrist hasn’t been too problematic. Other shoulder stuff and hip/low-back is pretty ok, just sore from the work, not from pain.


Lifting. Low volume.

Bottom partial Press: 110# x 3 x 3 – 1-2 second pause around top of head
Top partial Deadlift: 255# x 3 x 3 – a bit below the knee
Straight-leg Situps: 41# x 9
H2H Kettlebell Swings: 50# x 16 - didn’t get to it

Notes:

  • this is the first session of a below-the-knee deadlift with a real bar. Weight felt a bit light. I knew I should have increased it but wasn’t sure how much. From memory, and just ballparking anyway, Sheiko uses 5-10% more than normal deadlift weight (well, 80-85 instead of 75). I’ll probably look at the numbers closer, but at the very least, add another 5% next time these come up.

Comp notes:

  • thinking of doubling the volume next week, sticking only with competition lifts. Then the following week doing only Low days and maybe fewer of them. May or may not be a good idea.
  • at the very least, I think I’ll give myself 3-4 days of rest (or active rest) before submitting attempts.

EDIT:

I don’t know why I regularly forget about this part. Bodyweight has not changed for the month. Waking up sometimes a bit under 150, sometimes a bit over. About 2 lbs of weight loss a night. Same pattern as a month ago.

I’ll probably move this back to 2-10 lbs a month and pay attention to again, also since I’ll now have more time to lift again starting this week. I.e., more “bodybuilding” work.

I hope someone else finds this as amusing as I do.

I attempted my 90% opener today, to see where I was with all this forecasting stuff. Followed a layout for 1RM testing but misloaded the 90% set. Dumb. Attempted to grind it out anyway. Also dumb.

After I backed it off I did hit that “90%” but was definitely fatigued. Bar path was super wonky.

Bar speed said this is 99.5%. I’m probably good for another 5 pounds right now if I did a better warm up.

I know my 100% is at least 125 and below 135.

May lift through Thursday. Planning on submitting first attempt next Monday or Tuesday.

I’ve done that before. It hurts and is embarrassing when you do it in a public gym, but I’m honestly just thankful that I didn’t chew through my tongue!

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So that bit of testing was pretty informative.

Most importantly I realized my old calculations were wrong. I’d noticed my estimated 1RM had a huge range, so I already had a hunch.

I was a little disappointed that I wasn’t actually in the 140-155 range, but taking the ego hit and fixing my math is the right thing to do.

As a saving grace, I did improve my actual tested press from 115 to 125 in about 3 weeks of dedicated work. I’m “recovering” lost strength so there is a bit of boost from that, but still, 10 pounds in 3 weeks isn’t exactly disappointing.

Also important is a realization that my working weight is way too high; definitely not in the 70-80 range. So I’ll fix that.

New formula has been calculated too, from warmup velocities. (I haven’t fixed the plate size problem yet.)

Yesterday could have been considered a High Volume press day. 23 reps with average intensity of 63%.

Today, Low Volume (by choice, not by coins)

Press: 95# x 3 x 3
Deadlift: 255# x 3 x 3

Notes:

  • My formula seems spot on now. The max velocity today, 1.14 m/s, maps to 76% 1RM… and 95 pounds is 76% of 125.04 pounds. Can’t get much more exact than that.

  • My “time to add weight” threshold I’ll set to somewhere around 68-70%. 1.3-1.27 m/s, respectively.

  • First day of school starts today, so more time to lift starting tomorrow.

  • But, because of the competition qualifier stuff, I haven’t decided when/how to work the rest of the Calvert routine back in.

  • Right shoulder is still bugging me, but finally seems a bit better today than it’s been. Been doing some different stretches. Trying to bring the resting posture of my right shoulder backwards by stretching the pecs/front delts by stretching my arm backwards using the wall, shelves, etc. Other stuff didn’t make any real dent: ibuprofen, acetominophen/paracetamol, voltaren gel, hanging, high-rep raises, band dislocates.

  • Everything is a bit sore because of yesterday’s intensity, however. Sore, not painful.

  • For general joint fussiness (and the fact that I don’t have any collagen in my right elbow…), I ordered some collagen and glycine, and will be taking it with Vit C per this article by TC: The Collagen Users Manual
    I never had luck with alternatives such as MSM or Glucosamine or Chondroitin. I don’t have high hopes, but worth a trial.

Just wanted to thank you for sharing this with me.

Today I was trying out a wide conventional stance, where the knees are pressing out against the elbows like he suggested. Apparently I’m significantly stronger/faster with that. Like a lot. Felt much better on my back too.

Basically turned a 75% set into like a 65% set, just with the stance change.

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Glad it helped mate. I met Rauno ar a strongman comp in Australia earlier this year and he is a great guy and a damn good deadlifter.

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(Long long irrelevant post. I recommend skipping it.)

Goals, again

Like a stone skipping across the water, I keep coming back to “goals”.

I’m fortunate to live in a place where there are a decent amount of people in shape. But as someone who’s always been skinny – I guess I even felt that way when I was among runners in track and cross-country – I really still have a drive to “fit in” with people who are, well, not skinny. It’s kind of dumb, but it’s still a real thing.

I don’t think I’ll want to feel like “the biggest guy in the room”, but I certainly don’t want to be the skinniest any more.

On the other hand, I’m happy enough with my “functional” abilities. Carrying both my kids around on my shoulders (at the same time) isn’t even something my body notices any more. Not that I’m actually trying to channel Milo and the Bull, but I do basically want to preserve that skill for as long as possible.

I mean, there was that one dad busting out tons of pullups at the playground… I’m fine, he can have that.

Mostly it’s just a “size” thing. I naturally have skinny limbs, like the generations of my family that came before me. One cousin is an exception, now, but he’s been lifting for over a decade.

Ok, personal insecurities are covered now.

Pressing

I’m a weak presser, of any sort. So I want to get better with that. People who are good pressers are (naturally) bigger than me. Getting better at pressing will probably make me bigger, too.

My goal of “axle clean and press 230 x 8”, I reasoned to be doable when I get an axle strict press of 240. My barbell press is better than my axle, so let’s say a barbell strict press of 250 is a good goal.

Translating that into Sheiko-ish training, that means get my working triples in the 175-185 pound range. Long ways to go, but that “sounds” more achievable. If I can increase my maxes without having to actually train at my maxes, that seems better. Every time I work too heavy, I’ve had a lot more wrist/elbow/shoulder pain (surprise!). So, if I can avoid the pain and get stronger, that’s better.

Deadlifting

I’m less motivated to get my deadlift up, because 1) deadlifts made very little body shape changes in the past, and 2) it’s a relative strength. I do still have a long ways to go to reach “18-inch deadlift 540 x 10” but this is more of a “follow the plan” kind of thing, rather than the fire that I have around pressing.

Based on sketchy calculations, 540 x 10 is 720 x 1. In theory, an 18" deadlift is easier than from the floor. [With a deadlift suit] Rauno lifted 476 kg off the ground and 540 kg off 18". 88% is as good a proportion as any. So, for me, that would be at least 635 lbs from the floor.

Or, again, in Sheiko-land, working weight triples of 445-475.

The Strengthlifting competitions seem like good checkpoints on the path to that goal. If I actually wanted to be competitive there (in middleweight masters), I’d need to be pressing at least 210 and deadlifting 575. With another 5 years of intelligent injury-free training it seems achievable.

That covers the strength side of things.

Power Clean (and front squats)

I don’t give this much mental priority, but if I’m going to clean and press 230 for reps on an axle, I better be able to clean a lot. My theory is that if I can get my rotating-barbell clean up enough, I can use that same technique on an axle. And being able to do that well will require I can handle a decent amount of weight in a correct front rack. So I need to get front squats up.

I’ve been watching some Chinese olympic lifters doing cleans, and it’s just so impressive that I want to do it like them too. There’s the real motivation.

Physique

Unfortunately, getting better at those won’t “fix” the skinny arms. Pressing probably isn’t enough for shoulder size. For “size” I can just do bodybuilding stuff. I don’t need to be strong with this stuff so I’ll just need a mindset switch.

(Again, lol) But if I take Kazuya as a goal, and myself as the starting point, priority needs to be placed on deltoids first, triceps, biceps, and chest. By volume, his deltoids seem as large as his pecs.

Other things like his back and obliques are probably covered well enough by deadlifting and pressing, so won’t need special attention.

Calvert has said you don’t need to work on your triceps if you do enough pressing. Except he also said you need to work on your triceps long head if you also want big arms (since it doesn’t get hit by pressing). Barbell and alternating kettlebell curls were his preferred biceps exercises. And reverse curls and wrist roller for forearms.

For chest, he puts his main importance on “increasing the size of the rib box” with pullovers. But also dumbbell flies.

For shoulders, leaning side presses, alternating kettlebell presses, raises. And, of course, standing barbell presses.

And then of course there’s generations upon generations of “new” arm, shoulder, chest training. New exercises, new methods. Plenty to draw on.

All together

  1. Build up my press, deadlift, front squat, power clean
  2. Compete regularly (annually?) in Strengthlifting to force myself to keep getting better at those
  3. Train deltoids, arms and chest using bodybuilding movements, in the most injury-limiting methods possible
  4. Gain bodyweight, targeting a lean 175. I’ll define that specifically as “can see 4 abs clearly without flexing”. (I’m not actually that lean right now.)

Current plan

  • Press and deadlift, using my current random Sheiko-ish submax triples approach. At some point volume may need to go up. Don’t do it too early.
  • Assistance work is hand-to-hand KB swings, situp progression, forward bends (for now), one-arm rows
  • Power clean and front squats, train these together as a complex, but maybe use the same methods as above, once I get technique down. Maybe somewhat higher reps, like 5s.
  • Bodyweight, use my normal good diet + milk to target 2-10 pounds a month (and on a shorter timeframe, target ~2.3 pounds weight gain from morning to evening)
  • Deltoids, 3x a week, use side presses (3-6) and/or alternating presses (12-24), and high-rep raises (15+)
  • Biceps, 3x a week, use barbell/axle curls with Calvert’s progression (6-10), unless wrist pain becomes a problem again; consider other options when that happens
  • Triceps, 3x a week, all of the presses + rear barbell raises + something else? Overhead (Gironda) cable extensions? Pushdowns? French press? Floor press? I’ll need to do some reading.
  • Chest, 3x a week. Flies on a foam roller. Two birds with one stone: chest + thoracic mobility
  • Jefferson squats. And, probably, the other squats too. I still need legs.

Some stretching and mobility work as needed. Still need work on my shoulders, and my hamstrings. (Windmills + hangs.) And front rack position.

That is some serious over head pressing. Do you mind me asking where your current numbers are at.

maybe not naturally but maybe they just added weight to achieve their goals. I do think it is possible to eat your eat to a big bench or press. This is something you may have to consider but it wont fit with your physique goal.

It’s awful at the moment.

It’s more than 125 lbs and less than 135. My best (long ago) was 140 and a failed 145. At least from what I could dig up in logs and videos.

The only thing keeping that in reality is my timeline.

Maybe.

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Today.

Some barbell jumps. Some very light hang power cleans. Front rack mobility work.

Bottom presses, with chains: 85 x 3, 85 x 3, 75 x 3

Behind-the-back low cable lateral raises: 5 sets each side, 20 or so reps
Pushdowns: a set or two, didn’t like them in my right shoulder
Overhead cable extensions: 3 or 4 sets of 20
Cable bar curls: a couple sets

Notes:

  • Chains on presses was kind of a fun setup. I’m pretty familiar with my sticking point now, so these theoretically could help explode through that point. Anyway, it came up on the rotation so I tried it out.
  • I’ve forgotten how heavy my chains are (30 pounds?) so I dropped weight the last set.
  • Still staying relatively low load this week. Testing early next week.

Comp notes:

  • I really don’t know how this is supposed to work. 3 attempts, over two weeks. And you submit your attempts via videos, with a codeword. Do I plan to do them all on one day? Do I basically have 3 kind-of meet days? Kind of weird.

This is the meet where I pulled those numbers from.

That guy is a beast. @T3hPwnisher is more experienced than me in the strongman world, so maybe can add some perspective.

This is a great goal but if you want to achieve this level of strength overhead you are going to need to make it your life for the next 2 years. And that will definitely include adding some body weight.

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Appreciate the tag. From what I’ve seen, my perspective really doesn’t fit the approach here. Different ways up the mountain.

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I was really commenting on the goal of 230 x 8 vs a current max of around 130. I know you have experience of chasing a particular lift and how tough it is to achieve that.

I guess I was trying to add some perspective for @LoRez to how hard this goal is in reality. It is definitely achievable but not without some significant changes to training and diet.

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I absolutely agree with you: I just don’t feel I can communicate it in a manner that will be effective.

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How much do you weigh right now?

@simo74

This is my perspective.

With a heavy focus I may be able to get my press up to 185 by the start of 2025 (16 months from now). 205 by 2026. 215 by 2027.

It may go faster than that but that’s my actual expectation if I put the effort and eating in.

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Low 150s. And a goal of 2-10 pounds a month.

The “lean 175” isn’t really a stopping point. 250 overhead at 175 is a rare thing in modern times. 220 is about the most I’ve seen.

The goal of “lean 175” and the press/deadlift goal aren’t necessarily meant to be at the same time.