Calories Needed to Gain?

Nutrition
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[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]Dolli123 wrote:
can someone just tell me what is wrong with my diet ?[/quote]

Sheesh, man. EAT MORE! I put it in all caps and two words. Just about everyone on here has told you this in its many variations and forms. If you can’t grasp that, PLEASE stop asking us questions and wasting our time and go play cricket.

This is WHY I stayed away from here 4 months and I still see there is the same level of cluelessness (Is that a word?)[/quote]

The sad part is, they think we are being mean for not literally holding their hand and spoon feeding them.

Everyone has said the same thing at this point. People like this show WHY they never get much past 125lbs.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]Dolli123 wrote:
can someone just tell me what is wrong with my diet ?[/quote]

Sheesh, man. EAT MORE! I put it in all caps and two words. Just about everyone on here has told you this in its many variations and forms. If you can’t grasp that, PLEASE stop asking us questions and wasting our time and go play cricket.

This is WHY I stayed away from here 4 months and I still see there is the same level of cluelessness (Is that a word?)[/quote]

The sad part is, they think we are being mean for not literally holding their hand and spoon feeding them.

Everyone has said the same thing at this point. People like this show WHY they never get much past 125lbs.[/quote]

Jesus Christ. I just looked at this guy’s hub and I am only 1.5 inches taller than him and am more than double his weight and at times I have been 30 pounds heavier than I am now. WTF do I know about putting on size? WTF do YOU know, X? WTF does anybody in this thread who has tried to help this guy know? We all must just be pissing in the wind.

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i will try 6 eggs in the morning
what should i have for post workout then ?

and i dont like beef and it is quite expensive so i will stick to chicken breast but i have that for dinner,what should i eat why you just help and tell me.

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If you keep up these questions I swear X and lewhitehurst may eat you as a post-workout meal. Hes not saying don’t have a shake, you need your fast acting protein to start the rapair of the torn down muscles (that hopefully you did enough damage to…) and you need your Dextrose or some fast acting carb to spike your insulin to help shuttle that protein, BUT thats just the start of it, as soon as you finish lifting down that shake then have a meal, a BIG meal…

The thing with chicken dolli, is its already lean…so there is not as many calories as beef, if people like pro bodybuilders had to get all there protein from chicken in the off season there would be no chicken left for the rest of us…you need too much of it to get enough calories is what I’m saying, Do you like Salmon at least? Thats a good fatty fish, get yourself two nice large fillets and your good to go for a meal after teaming it with some carbs like 2 cups of rice or heck go for a big bowl of pasta. Do you understand? Thats why x said to eat 6 WHOLE eggs, you need the Fats to bring up your calories without filling you up with as much Volume of food, so then you can eat more in your next meal, and so on and so on…its really not that hard. Eat out more seriously thats the only way someone like you will get those calories…

Ever heard of the book from scrawny to brawny, in it you will read that the author IN BETWEEN meals throughout the day would SNACK on a half dozen bagel’s with Natty PB on them and a gallon jug of a made up protein shake with probly 8 scoops of protein or more. This was in addition to his six to 8 meals…think about that for a moment…

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Holy shit. Youre 16 years old. Grow the fuck up and stop whining for people to help you. There is so much damned information on this site its silly that threads like this exist. You have one of the most embarassing post histories I’ve ever seen. Every single thread you’ve started could have been answered with 30 minutes of reading after doing a few google searches and site searches.

If you are really this lazy and cant do it by yourself paypal me $50 and I’ll give you a meal plan and workout routine.

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[quote]Dolli123 wrote:
i will try 6 eggs in the morning
what should i have for post workout then ?

and i dont like beef and it is quite expensive so i will stick to chicken breast but i have that for dinner,what should i eat why you just help and tell me.[/quote]

I’ll be nice. If you are going tom stick to chicken at least eat the thighs. That’s where all the fat is. And like Dave1986, said, try salmon. Right now, you need to learn about food more than anything else. Buy a book on food values and do some research. No one here wants you to fail, but it’s obvious you are getting your info from the wrong sources. Part of the name of this game is being able to weed through the bs and figure out what does and does not work and for the most part, that is going to come from guys who have already walked the path you are trying to walk. None of us know everything and everything that works for us may not work for you, but the bottomline is, you need to eat more calories. Like X said, you are eating like someone who is trying to lose weight.

Another thing is, ignore everyone on here who is telling you how many meals you need to eat a day. Ignore everyone telling you how many calories you need a day. You have to play around and see. I grow on less than what most guys would eat to drop weight. Everyone is different. Anyone I have ever known who put on any size has always said the same thing, eat when you are hungry, not on some damn schedule. That’s what I do. You have to listen to and learn your body. Sometimes that may mean you only eat once or twice a day. Sometimes it may mean you eat 10 times a day.

Right now, you need to throw whatever crap you have been taught or learned out the window and listen to those who have more experience. Funny thing is, once every guy on here who has put on size who started to do that, I bet you they all started to grow.

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[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
\ Anyone I have ever known who put on any size has always said the same thing, eat when you are hungry, not on some damn schedule. That’s what I do. You have to listen to and learn your body. Sometimes that may mean you only eat once or twice a day. Sometimes it may mean you eat 10 times a day…[/quote]

Your post is obviously of high quality. But telling this to a complete beginner who is already having trouble grasping the concept of “eating to gain” may not work out so well in all cases.

Some people simply have terrible appetites. I feel like people who are very very thin to begin with are probably like that for a few reasons, one of them being a poor appetite. I know that if I chose to eat only when I was hungry I’d eat a bowl of cereal in the morning with a shake and a maybe a sandwhich for lunch then some meat and potatoes for dinner.

Meaning it would get me no where. Now I’m used it and I dont hate it but for a long time it was a serious chore to eat the 3000 calories I need to maintain 180lbs. My biggest problem is that I can take a few bites of food and be completely satiated with a whole plate of food just sitting there. Yeah, people need to learn their bodies, absolutely. But some of us actually need to force food down.

You said it yourself that you can gain good mass on a realtively low amount of food. So I’m just offering a different perspective.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
\ Anyone I have ever known who put on any size has always said the same thing, eat when you are hungry, not on some damn schedule. That’s what I do. You have to listen to and learn your body. Sometimes that may mean you only eat once or twice a day. Sometimes it may mean you eat 10 times a day…[/quote]

Your post is obviously of high quality. But telling this to a complete beginner who is already having trouble grasping the concept of “eating to gain” may not work out so well in all cases.

Some people simply have terrible appetites. I feel like people who are very very thin to begin with are probably like that for a few reasons, one of them being a poor appetite.

I know that if I chose to eat only when I was hungry I’d eat a bowl of cereal in the morning with a shake and a maybe a sandwhich for lunch then some meat and potatoes for dinner. Meaning it would get me no where. Now I’m used it and I dont hate it but for a long time it was a serious chore to eat the 3000 calories I need to maintain 180lbs.

My biggest problem is that I can take a few bites of food and be completely satiated with a whole plate of food just sitting there. Yeah, people need to learn their bodies, absolutely. But some of us actually need to force food down.

You said it yourself that you can gain good mass on a realtively low amount of food. So I’m just offering a different perspective.

edited[/quote]

This is true. If you are the type who doesn’t need to eat much to grow, eating when hungry makes sense, however, many of us would have never gotten bigger without forcing more food down whether we were hungry or not.

I had a hard time even eating breakfast as a kid because it made me nauseated. If I didn’t push through that, I would still be at a stage where a bowl of Apple Jacks makes me want to throw up.

I have also known another Marine who, while weighing a solid 260lbs with veins showing, stated he only ate twice a day. Few people have the genetics to look like that, let alone do so while not even worrying about food intake much.

Guys like lewhitehurst are likely who fill the majority of muscle mags. They have metabolisms that allow much more muscle gain even without any extreme eating.

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Sorry to jack the thread op,

Just curious x when you say “Guys like lewhitehurst are likely who fill the majority of muscle mags. They have metabolisms that allow much more muscle gain even without any extreme eating.” Your saying that a person with genetics to carry allot of muscle in most cases can gain weight of any kind fairly quicky?

I hate using the idea of bodytype classification but in this case “endomorph”. I’m only asking this because I’ve noticed this or at least I thought about this a few times recently. Watching some video of evan centopani for exaple who has the potential to be a Mr. Olympia one day.

He spoke of how he was always a heavy kid growing up. And even now in the off season he gets really big and tends to carry alot more body fat then say a Jay cutler in the off season.

I guess I’m also just thinking out loud that maybe a person like Evan can make incredibly fast improvements in his Body because of this?

I mean Jay Cutler is OBVIOUSLY INSANELY gifted genetically but he has looked pretty much the same for a good few years now, I mean I know gains come slow at that point (Obviously it just comes down to conditioning with him wining or not and ronnie aging…tho I did really Love jay’s physique back in 2001 he was a good 20lb’s lighter there)

Idono, another guy who seems to get Big like this and who seems to carry allot of weight in the off season (or at least has in the past) is Trey Brewer, tho I think being sponsored by BSN and having to Compete as soon as they sighned him forced him to diet WAY to fast and has really messed up what he had going tho he is still very young.

Wow sorry to get so off topic but I found it interesting what you said about people with Genetics like lewhitehurst and how there genetics are favorable (Which obviously they are) Its just a cool topic.

The other thing about this is that on the Pro BBing stages you see different variations of genetic makeups, I mean all are insane, but they all are different you have some people eating crazy amounts even right up to the time they walk on stage, Some who are really suffering to come in peeled and dry, and you even hear of some Dieting UP to a show, tho this is pretty rare, that guy who is on T-Nation “Moodi” was one I recall

Anyways sorry for the Hijack and Rant. I’m off to bed lol

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[quote]Dave1986 wrote:
Sorry to jack the thread op,

Just curious x when you say “Guys like lewhitehurst are likely who fill the majority of muscle mags. They have metabolisms that allow much more muscle gain even without any extreme eating.” Your saying that a person with genetics to carry allot of muscle in most cases can gain weight of any kind fairly quicky? [/quote]

I have the genetics to gain a lot of muscle mass. That doesn’t mean I simply gain weight “quickly”. I have to eat a lot of calories to force a gain in body weight. I was strictly referring to his need for less calories than someone like me.

If someone needs 1,000cals less a day to make the same progress as me, I am going to assume their body is more efficient at turning those calories into muscle tissue as opposed to overall metabolism.

Guys like that exist. Just like the Marine I mentioned who can get huge by only eating twice a day, some people are simply more efficient at gaining muscle mass as opposed to body fat.

[quote]

I hate using the idea of bodytype classification but in this case “endomorph”. I’m only asking this because I’ve noticed this or at least I thought about this a few times recently. Watching some video of evan centopani for exaple who has the potential to be a Mr. Olympia one day. He spoke of how he was always a heavy kid growing up. And even now in the off season he gets really big and tends to carry alot more body fat then say a Jay cutler in the off season.[/quote]

Most of you are way too caught up in trying to put people into small categories. very few humans on the planet are so stereotypical that they fit into any one category strictly as far as that is concerned. Evan was a heavy kid who bulks up because bulking up works to add the most size. That is why Kai Greene is over 300lbs right now and why the guys who stand out the most are the ones who get the heaviest in the off season. It has always been that way. Personal trainers lately trying to sell books have only recently tried to act as if this isn’t the case because they know most of the consumers want it all right now…the abs, the muscles, the cover model physique…ALL NOW.

Now, I did always have the theory that those who have carried more body fat seem to experience more muscle gain and I tend to think I saw the same effect and I attribute that somewhat to hormonal changes and stretching the sarcoplasmic film around muscle tissues beyond what someone who never gains much weight would experience.

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I guess I’m also just thinking out loud that maybe a person like Evan can make incredibly fast improvements in his Body because of this? I mean Jay Cutler is OBVIOUSLY INSANELY gifted genetically but he has looked pretty much the same for a good few years now, I mean I know gains come slow at that point (Obviously it just comes down to conditioning with him wining or not and ronnie aging…tho I did really Love jay’s physique back in 2001 he was a good 20lb’s lighter there)[/quote]

Dude, Jay has been over 300lbs in the off season. There isn’t exactly that much farther you can go at that stage, It isn’t like you just keep going until you look like a Macy’s Thanks Giving day Parade float.

Jay also eats 10 times a day and literally has a life that revolves around nothing but meals, sleep and weight lifting. I am not sure he even qualifies as a regular bodybuilder as far as his lifestyle because I doubt few others aside from maybe Ronnie are living like that.

[quote]

Idono, another guy who seems to get Big like this and who seems to carry allot of weight in the off season (or at least has in the past) is Trey Brewer, tho I think being sponsored by BSN and having to Compete as soon as they sighned him forced him to diet WAY to fast and has really messed up what he had going tho he is still very young.[/quote]

The guy is under the age of 28 so I am not sure why people are counting him out yet. he is not built esthetically. He is built to be a freak like Rhul or guys like that. It isn’t like he was exactly Olympia material.

[quote]
Wow sorry to get so off topic but I found it interesting what you said about people with Genetics like lewhitehurst and how there genetics are favorable (Which obviously they are) Its just a cool topic.

The other thing about this is that on the Pro BBing stages you see different variations of genetic makeups, I mean all are insane, but they all are different you have some people eating crazy amounts even right up to the time they walk on stage, Some who are really suffering to come in peeled and dry, and you even hear of some Dieting UP to a show, tho this is pretty rare, that guy who is on T-Nation “Moodi” was one I recall

Anyways sorry for the Hijack and Rant. I’m off to bed lol[/quote]

All that shows that is that most of these guys still had to work their basses off to look like that and that all of the people who love acting like it just came easy are dead wrong. We all have different genetic designs.

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Cool, thanks for the insight x, I guess what trainee’s of all levels can take from this is that there is always a way to get more muscular if you want it bad enough whatever your genetic starting point.

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X and Bones, I stand corrected. I forgot that he is starting out and I have been working out by myself for so long I forgot about the guys in the gym who complain about not gaining weight and who have to force feed themselves to get to a point where they can trust their body’s hunger signals. Even though that isn’t the best advice to give a beginner, I think we all still say eat more.

Sometimes my perspective is skewed because I spent most of my time working out with family members whose size genetics put mine to shame as well as because of sports I have been around a large number of pro bbs and athletes and high level amateurs in both bodybuilding and athletics, and we all know they can do a lot of things and have them work that 99% of people can’t.

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OP - Check out the anabolic diet. I’m not saying you have to do it, but it’ll give you a good idea of what some weight gaining foods are. Chicken breast is not one of them. Chicken breast is diet food.

[quote]
Example -
Mon through Fri: Example Meal Plan: No Carbs Days. Eat protein & fat only, avoid carbs.
* Breakfast. Whole eggs, bacon, spinach.
* Snack. Italian or french cheese.
* Lunch. Ground round, broccoli, olive oil.
* Snack. Italian or Spanish ham.
* Post Workout. Whey, olive oil.
* Dinner. Mackerel, salad, olive oil, cheese cubes.
* Pre Bed. French cheese, ground flax seeds, fish oil.

Sat and Sun:
Example Meal Plan: Carbs Days. Best is to avoid training on these days since the high carb intake tends to cause tiredness.
* Breakfast. Oats, raisins, milk.
* Snack. Lots of fruit.
* Lunch. Chicken breast, quinoa, spinach.
* Snack. Lots of fruit.
* Dinner. Whole grain pasta, tomato sauce, Parmesan cheese.
* Pre Bed. Cottage cheese, berries, ground flax seeds, fish oil.
[/quote] I’m not saying to follow this diet! You can and should have carbs around your workout time and in the morning at the very least. This is just to give you ideas of the types of foods you should eat to gain weight, and it’s by no means a complete list. The fat content of the foods you need to be eating is substantial (like beef, whole milk or cream in your whey shakes, and EVOO) and will make you feel full, but you need saturated fat and cholesterol. You may need to count calories to make sure you are getting enough. My advice (since you’re 125 and your body is probably screaming to add weight at your age) is to start at around 500 calories above what any calculation says, and adjust from there depending on how the scale moves.

Don’t be afraid to add a little body fat in this process (unless you are somehow magically already over 20% BF at 125)

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Does this sound like an ok breakfast :
2 egg sandwiches with 2 large eggs in each sandwich it seems small but it gets me 690 calories ?

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Its alright…but who makes sandwiches for breakfast?

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[quote]Dolli123 wrote:
i will try 6 eggs in the morning
what should i have for post workout then ?

and i dont like beef and it is quite expensive so i will stick to chicken breast but i have that for dinner,what should i eat why you just help and tell me.[/quote]

What? Since when is ground beef more expensive than chicken breast? In my 27 years of life, I have never once seen chicken breast be cheaper than ground beef.

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[quote]Dave1986 wrote:
Its alright…but who makes sandwiches for breakfast?[/quote]

Does it matter? Food is food. I eat hamburgers in the morning sometimes and breakfast in the evenings.

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[quote]Dolli123 wrote:
Does this sound like an ok breakfast :
2 egg sandwiches with 2 large eggs in each sandwich it seems small but it gets me 690 calories ?[/quote]

I’d add an egg to each sandwich, if possible. Maybe even some cheese and some meat. What kind of bread are you using?

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[quote]Dave1986 wrote:
Its alright…but who makes sandwiches for breakfast?[/quote]

This guy weighs 125lbs and you want him to be picky?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Dave1986 wrote:
Its alright…but who makes sandwiches for breakfast?[/quote]

This guy weighs 125lbs and you want him to be picky?[/quote]

LOL.