Ok devils advocate here. So one must attain a certain amount of skill at something before distroting it. In a sense learning a CRAFT in order to make art. You must reach a level of skill before it can be considered art, but if ones skill gets to the point that they are proficent or stay in a comfort zone and create work they are then creating Craft.
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So I reach areas in my own work where all the sudden I am just in the zone, You lose a sense of time etc. just get lost in the work. You are just doing it. I am simply painting. So by simply painting and not being in a constant state of question I am creating Craft?? Waht is wrong if anything with craft. Can craft be art or vise versa.
Ok also. So it boils down to context/funtion. Hmm say I throw a Bad ass pot. It is beautiful,and avante gaurde in a visual art sense yet it is also very functional. I decide to display it at home while in use I dont know as a plant pot. Art, craft, other?? Or I make some peice of shit excuse for a clay ash tray. I create it all along to not be used but to be displayed in a Gallery or Museum. Is it Art. Is simply being made for, and placed, on display in a place reserved for ART enough for something to be ART??
Not that these questions can or do have a answer, just some fun.
1 More drawing. What do you consider drawing. Can one do a drawing in say paint, or clay?? Or is it reserved for marking tools.?? Can one not draw purely mentally?? Is Drawing to you held as high as say painting, sculpture, graphic design. Or do you feel it is a lesser art in its pure form of Drawing. Though in a sense it is used in all other media.
OK have fun Love the answers so far. Atleast I’m having fun.
Oh and I will include one of the sketchs I did today while out fishing with mom. DAMN water color. The damn toughest medium IMO. Gives me headaches.
Oh also OG DEmon, thanks. Join on in. I know everyone has a little creativity of some type in them. Bring it on all.
Here is one of HHH I did last night, haven’t drawn anything in years so I figured I’d give it a shot. Now Iv’e got a bug up my ass so probably more to come…thanks Phill.
Hey there could be worse things you are doing. It can be a great way for some people to relax. I myself now do a LOT of damn stressing,/ thinking over art but it is also a passion and release as well.
But man hell yes keep it up. Thats a nice work, and after a long lay off. Cant wait to see some more as you get back in practice.
Enjoy yourself, lift heavy, eat, and Do art. LOL
Phill
I think what it boils down to is circles within circles. Craft → Art → Craft or Art → Craft → Art.
I think you nailed it on the head when you said it was all in “context/function”. But then when and how you decide the context its subjective and art is by deffinition objective. So I guess I haven’t really cleared up anything!
Hey there could be worse things you are doing. It can be a great way for some people to relax. I myself now do a LOT of damn stressing,/ thinking over art but it is also a passion and release as well.
But man hell yes keep it up. Thats a nice work, and after a long lay off. Cant wait to see some more as you get back in practice.
Enjoy yourself, lift heavy, eat, and Do art. LOL
Phill
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Thanks for the kind words Phill, I will keep going. I feel I have alot of improving to do, but thats what keeps me motivated, just like lifting. And you will see more work, Franco is up next.
LOL, yup circles in circles. It really in the end boils down to oopinions of each and every individual IMO.
You simply cant find or create work to please everyone, and personally I wont even try. I do what I enjoy and try and constantly advance. I strive for perfection yet deep inside hope I never reach it. If you were to reach perfection then why keep doing it. Simply spinning your wheels their is no where to go from there. So I say strive for perfection, but keep it fun as well. Challange yourself with new stimulus goals etc. But accept some flaws.Oh and just expect to get some bad reveiws, take what you can from them and blow the rest off. I have had some terror crits.sometimes they are the best. VERY much Like lifting, as slappy wrote, in many ways. Really like life as a whole.
I just like throwing this stuff out there. It is topics loike these that come uop in my Grad classes and I nget to see my fellow ( soy ladden estrogen filled ) grads cower and get all confused. Crying and not knowing if they can even do art any more. BOO HOO. LOL.
Needless to say I have a blast at times. One more smester.
Keep em coming all. Hey any writers out there. Maybe a poet or two. I also notice a lack of females chiming in.
Hey motherhood can be art in a way. Juggling all that stuff, actual objects and tasks, etc… Plus just being a good parent and sticking it out without going insane I imagine should be called art.
No reason top stop singing however. I wont to hear you whale out some Janis Joplinesque tunes. Some voice with Soul and passion. Sorry been feening for some Janis since hearing a piss poor remake a couple days ago.
Also Hey, bring on the pics of the socks and BDay cakes. It counts IMO. Cooking and its presentation can for sure be brought to the point of being considered an art in and of itself.
Slappy thanks another good one. 1 Suggestion. Just at a glance t is Very obvious that much more time is invested in the face than all the rest of the image as a whole. Try and give every part its equal due time. This doesn?t exactly mean that every part is as finely detailed, etc. there are always areas of focus to avoid an image becoming Flat. Just that each needs to be SEEN to be realized. Taken as serious negative/background space included.
Unless that just drives you nuts and makes it not fun. If so screw what I say, well you can say that either way it just My opinion. Just keep on truckin and sharing the outcomes.
Shwizle. Great piece. Is that a mix of media. From the looks of the pic it appears to have charcoal and maybe chalk overlaid in some highlights, mainly around the clenched fist. Either way nice work
Oh and the latest above is just a little sketch I did while waiting for mom to SLOWLY finish her lunch down by the Jefferson memorial. it?s the docks where they rent the paddle boats. If interested threw up some photos of Mom as well on my ? My hour of need? thread.
Other than that I have been doing some sculpture and of course more paintitng. They will appear later.
Keep em? coming all.
Happy 4th July weekend,
Phill
thanks Phill and good advice, I do tend to focus too much on facial features becuase I always had trouble with them, after time it just became a habit of mine to focus much more time on the face then the rest of the person. But now that I am starting over its a good opportunity for me change a few things that ive done in the past. Good work everyone, lets keep this going, its interesting to hear and see everyones take on art.
Hey, excellent work everybody, awesome work Phill, I plan on putting up some of my work on the weekend if i get a chance, for now though I will put up this picture I took in Florida… guess where in Florida? Once again excellent stuff everyone…
Once when asked what Trans-Siberian Orchestra was about, Paul O’Neill replied, "It’s about creating great art. When asked to define what great art was, Paul said, "The purpose of art is to create an emotional response in the person that is exposed to that art. And there are three categories of art; bad art, good art and great art. Bad art will elicit no emotional response in the person that is exposed to it, i.e.; a song you hear in an elevator and it does nothing to you, a picture on a wall that gives you the same emotional response as if the wall had been blank, a movie that chews up time.
Good art will make you feel an emotion that you have felt before; you see a picture of a forest and you remember the last time you went fishing with your dad, you hear a song about love and you remember the last time you were in love.
Great art will make you feel an emotion you have never felt before; seeing the pieta, the world famous sculpture by Michelangelo, can cause someone to feel the pain of losing a child even if they’ve never had one. And when you’re trying for these emotions the easiest one to trigger is anger. Anyone can do it. Go into the street, throw a rock at someone, you will make them angry. The emotions of love, empathy and laughter are much harder to trigger, but since they operate on a deeper level, they bring a much greater reward.?
Interesting comment from O’Neil. I would say that TSO has deffinitely created good art, some of their pieces are great art.
The whole story line of the last album is enough to bring most people to tears, so emotionally intense.
The two most emotionally triggering songs i can think of.
The Sun in the Stream - Enya ( First time I heard this song I knew it would be played at my funeral. Had a vision of my own life being over, but at total peace over it all.)
Samuel Barber’s Adagio for Strings - one of the purest most emotional peices ever written.
Yes I agree all around and those are great examples.
The whole anger and shock is HUGE today just for its ease IMO. Many artist such as Damian Hurst etc, choping up cows and pigs etc. or taking a dump on a canvas and calling it art. Simply doing something ODD, or disgusting and calling it art.
Where will it end. who knows and who am I to say. Not my cup of tea but hey if you are enjoying the act go for it.
Mike good deal cant wait to see the work.
here are a couple more sketches I did today while fishing once again. Had plenty of time to draw as I only caught one damn fish.
Yes, that is what I am working on now keeping honing the skills I love and know I can get better at while at the same time searching and trying to get together a coherent body of work. Forever advancing and building on the past works/failures.
Once again thanks for the comments. Im working on it. Also keep the pics coming great to see a curator on here. we are a diverse bunch are we not LOL.
Hey feel free to pimp my work to anyone you may know that is in the Art world. Good, bad, any veiwing/critique is good as long as its seen. right.
