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[quote]Doug Adams wrote:

[quote]Dre the Hatchet wrote:
Soooo since this thread turned into a home-defense discussion, what is your opinion on these lil’ basterds?

Shoots either .45 lc or .410 shotshell. Capacity is 5 shots.

Follow-up question: If you would consider this one, bird shot or 000 buck shot?

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The only purposes those are good for is shooting snakes or someone within arms reach, which can also be filled by a shovel and a knife, respectively. [/quote]

perhaps a BIT further than arms reach, but I wouldn’t trust one across a big room. I’ve heard its good to about 15 feet.

Personally I’d go with a 357 mag, a 45, or a shotgun. I wouldn’t waste my money on the Judge.

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[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:

[quote]IronWarrior34 wrote:

Beretta 92fs is a beautiful firearm…[/quote]

cheea![/quote]

M&P 9 Pro is mo betta.

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oh so you wanna play the one up game eh…?

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my weapons conex

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Just my thoughts- shot placement is key. Your life depends on it? I suggest you get to the range and practice. Aiming for the head? If you’ve had any small arms training, you would know to always A) aim center mass B) double tap. As far as velocity goes, Speer Gold-Dot hollow points. They don’t go through, they do all the damage on the inside. Bigger is better? Well then, I guess I will start loading my 12 gauge with 00 buck next time I go squirrel hunting. Bet that’ll stop them

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[quote]BruceH wrote:
Just my thoughts- shot placement is key. Your life depends on it? I suggest you get to the range and practice. Aiming for the head? If you’ve had any small arms training, you would know to always A) aim center mass B) double tap. As far as velocity goes, Speer Gold-Dot hollow points. They don’t go through, they do all the damage on the inside. Bigger is better? Well then, I guess I will start loading my 12 gauge with 00 buck next time I go squirrel hunting. Bet that’ll stop them [/quote]

HICOM baby! gotta tag that HICOM…

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[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:

[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:
HolyMac,
Have you shot any of the various models of the Beretta Px4? I still have a while before I can own a pistol (21 years old in IL), but I’m already trying to figure out what a good home/potential CC pistol is. I’ve been looking at the Px4 Subcompact, probably in 9mm. Thoughts? [/quote]

i think if you are considering a pistol for homedefense, there is no reason to consider a subcompact. (or anything other than fullsize, for that matter)

you will benifit GREATLY both in accuracty, grip, recoil managment, magazine capacity, and a host of other things if you go with a fullsize instead of compact.

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I would have to disagree with you, I have a H&K USP .45 compact, it has a 4 inch barrel, and it is more accurate, at greater range, than my Springfield 1911 with a 5.5 inch barrel. Also, it holds 1 more round. Probably not gonna be the case 100% of the time, but a full size is not ALWAYS better, even for home defense. Also, the Springfield has night sights on it, but because of accuracy, I sleep with the USP.

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Also, I gotta say LOL at the people who want to attach lights to your guns.

Say somebody breaks into your house in the middle of the night. He is coming in, and knows nothing about the situation. He doesn’t know where anything is, he doesn’t know how many people are inside, or even if there are any firearms in the house. YOU have the advantage.(assuming you hear him coming) You know where everything is, your eyes are already adjusted for the light level. All you have to do is shoot at the silhouette of the bad guy. You don’t need a light.

Now take the same situation, but with a flashlight on the gun. Turning the light on is gonna let him know that somebody is awake, coming to see whats happening, and possibly armed. Now he’s prepared for you. Your eyes are gonna have to readjust to the bright light. Flashlights on guns are just a target. It just gives them something to shoot at.

I’m sure that there are situations where flashlights are useful, tactical advantages, like in room clearing or other such things, but in my opinion, outside of an assault-type application, flashlights, and laser sights for that matter, are just like getting on a bullhorn and telling everyone your location, and thus, where to shoot.

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[quote]Hyena wrote:

I would have to disagree with you, I have a H&K USP .45 compact, it has a 4 inch barrel, and it is more accurate, at greater range, than my Springfield 1911 with a 5.5 inch barrel.
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unless you have pictures where you have placed the gun in a vice, used same ammo, and have pictures of the target, i will choose not to believe you.

while very general: given no other variables, a longer barrel will = greater accuracy.

[quote]Hyena wrote:

Probably not gonna be the case 100% of the time, but a full size is not ALWAYS better, even for home defense.[/quote]

the fact that you had to begin your argue with the possibility of being wrong just reaffirms my previous statement.

larger guns carry more ammo, have a longer barrel, allow for a better grip, and will handle recoil better.

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[quote]Hyena wrote:

[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:

[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:
HolyMac,
Have you shot any of the various models of the Beretta Px4? I still have a while before I can own a pistol (21 years old in IL), but I’m already trying to figure out what a good home/potential CC pistol is. I’ve been looking at the Px4 Subcompact, probably in 9mm. Thoughts? [/quote]

i think if you are considering a pistol for homedefense, there is no reason to consider a subcompact. (or anything other than fullsize, for that matter)

you will benifit GREATLY both in accuracty, grip, recoil managment, magazine capacity, and a host of other things if you go with a fullsize instead of compact.

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I would have to disagree with you, I have a H&K USP .45 compact, it has a 4 inch barrel, and it is more accurate, at greater range, than my Springfield 1911 with a 5.5 inch barrel. Also, it holds 1 more round. Probably not gonna be the case 100% of the time, but a full size is not ALWAYS better, even for home defense. Also, the Springfield has night sights on it, but because of accuracy, I sleep with the USP.[/quote]

As a rule of thumb - the bigger gun (same caliber obviously) should make it easier to shoot accurately. There are exceptions to the rule of course, can be attributed to the gun itself or the way it “fits” the shooter - from smth rather trivial like sights being slightly off or the way the recoil biomechanically affects your hands.
case in point - I’ve seen ppl with smaller hands (women) shoot glock 27 (small 40) more accurately than glock 22 (full size 40).

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[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:

[quote]Hyena wrote:

I would have to disagree with you, I have a H&K USP .45 compact, it has a 4 inch barrel, and it is more accurate, at greater range, than my Springfield 1911 with a 5.5 inch barrel.
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unless you have pictures where you have placed the gun in a vice, used same ammo, and have pictures of the target, i will choose not to believe you.

while very general: given no other variables, a longer barrel will = greater accuracy.

[quote]Hyena wrote:

Probably not gonna be the case 100% of the time, but a full size is not ALWAYS better, even for home defense.[/quote]

the fact that you had to begin your argue with the possibility of being wrong just reaffirms my previous statement.

larger guns carry more ammo, have a longer barrel, allow for a better grip, and will handle recoil better.[/quote]

I didn’t say that because there was a chance I was wrong, I said it because there are exceptions to the rule. Yes, typically, a larger gun is more accurate, carries more ammo, blah blah blah, but there are some large frame guns that are not as good as some compacts.

out of both my semi handguns, my USP carries more ammo, is more accurate, exponentially easier to clean, more ergonomic, and overall just more functional than my 1911. this would be a case where a compact is better than a full size. The USP was more expensive, but only because it was the compact model. A full size USP .45 costs the same as the 1911, and I think anybody would be absolutely insane to pick the 1911 over the USP.

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[quote]Hyena wrote:
Also, I gotta say LOL at the people who want to attach lights to your guns.

Say somebody breaks into your house in the middle of the night. He is coming in, and knows nothing about the situation. He doesn’t know where anything is, he doesn’t know how many people are inside, or even if there are any firearms in the house. YOU have the advantage.(assuming you hear him coming) You know where everything is, your eyes are already adjusted for the light level. All you have to do is shoot at the silhouette of the bad guy. You don’t need a light.

Now take the same situation, but with a flashlight on the gun. Turning the light on is gonna let him know that somebody is awake, coming to see whats happening, and possibly armed. Now he’s prepared for you. Your eyes are gonna have to readjust to the bright light. Flashlights on guns are just a target. It just gives them something to shoot at.

I’m sure that there are situations where flashlights are useful, tactical advantages, like in room clearing or other such things, but in my opinion, outside of an assault-type application, flashlights, and laser sights for that matter, are just like getting on a bullhorn and telling everyone your location, and thus, where to shoot.[/quote]

Your opinion is incorrect. If you leave the weaponlight in the “on” position you’re doing it wrong.

Quick shot of light at the floor or ceiling to identify threat. When threat is identified, blast them.

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[quote]Hyena wrote:
Also, I gotta say LOL at the people who want to attach lights to your guns.

Say somebody breaks into your house in the middle of the night. He is coming in, and knows nothing about the situation. He doesn’t know where anything is, he doesn’t know how many people are inside, or even if there are any firearms in the house. YOU have the advantage.(assuming you hear him coming) You know where everything is, your eyes are already adjusted for the light level. All you have to do is shoot at the silhouette of the bad guy. You don’t need a light.

Now take the same situation, but with a flashlight on the gun. Turning the light on is gonna let him know that somebody is awake, coming to see whats happening, and possibly armed. Now he’s prepared for you. Your eyes are gonna have to readjust to the bright light. Flashlights on guns are just a target. It just gives them something to shoot at.

I’m sure that there are situations where flashlights are useful, tactical advantages, like in room clearing or other such things, but in my opinion, outside of an assault-type application, flashlights, and laser sights for that matter, are just like getting on a bullhorn and telling everyone your location, and thus, where to shoot.[/quote]

Whoa there, I sincerely hope that you live alone. Good call on blasting away at some silhouette upon waking up during the night.

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[quote]Doug Adams wrote:

[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:

[quote]IronWarrior34 wrote:

Beretta 92fs is a beautiful firearm…[/quote]

cheea![/quote]

M&P 9 Pro is mo betta. [/quote]

Here is a picture of the Sig Sauer P220 Equinox i own…couldnt take a pic of it myself, its off their site, but its obviously the exact same gun…i absolutely love it…i have it in a .45 and its a solid firearm, i would put my life behind it in any situation with complete confidence…its got Tritium nitesites front/rear, DA/SA, and i got a laser/light combo attached to the rails…

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Sig Sauer has kits to convert the 226 to .40, 357Sig, and 9mm.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]ether_bunny wrote:

[quote]IronWarrior34 wrote:
Yes, i guess in the end just keep your shotgun at the ready with the 00 chambered![/quote]

Birdshot. You don’t have to worry about shot placement, knockdown power, OR accidentally killing your neighbor.
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You ever been hit with birdshot, sucks like a fat pig in the summer with no mud, but not likely to kill anyone.[/quote]

Can’t say I have. I try not to go hunting with Dick Cheny.
I’m guessing you weren’t in the same room as the firer. Which was the point.
Now, if you’re talking carrying concealed, the shotgun might be a little difficult.
Or, for that matter, if you don’t want the missus asking why you moved somewhere you have to keep a pump action under the bed.

Which reminds me; where the hell do you people live where this is a worry? Richmond?

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[quote]IronWarrior34 wrote:

[quote]Vandal wrote:

What was it like to fail physics?
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hahaha well put Vandal, very well put…[/quote]

Don’t make me claim to be an expert in this!

No, really, don’t. I’m awful about firearms other than point and click.

Buut…powder load is the same, yes? Mass load is the same, yes? Air resistance hasn’t started to take effect, yes?

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[quote]ether_bunny wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]ether_bunny wrote:

[quote]IronWarrior34 wrote:
Yes, i guess in the end just keep your shotgun at the ready with the 00 chambered![/quote]

Birdshot. You don’t have to worry about shot placement, knockdown power, OR accidentally killing your neighbor.
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You ever been hit with birdshot, sucks like a fat pig in the summer with no mud, but not likely to kill anyone.[/quote]

Can’t say I have. I try not to go hunting with Dick Cheny.
I’m guessing you weren’t in the same room as the firer. Which was the point.
Now, if you’re talking carrying concealed, the shotgun might be a little difficult.
Or, for that matter, if you don’t want the missus asking why you moved somewhere you have to keep a pump action under the bed.

Which reminds me; where the hell do you people live where this is a worry? Richmond?[/quote]

Along with all your other incorrect assumptions in this thread, you assume people make these home defense decisions based on fear. There is nothing fearful about recognizing there are criminals who break into homes to steal and potentially harm innocent people.

Is there a great threat? That depends on where you live, but even if the chance of an encounter is 0.1%, why set your own limit to your response of that threat? When limiting yourself, you potentially put your life and wellbeing in the hands of someone who only wants to take from you. I don’t know about you, but I’m not comfortable with that.

Edit- just saw your latest post about birdshot and “not claiming to be an expert”. That much is obvious, so unless you really wish to educate yourself on this topic, it’s probably best that you find another thread to post in.

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dude i just noticed you are wearing a hat.

lololololololol

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Ti amo, Barretta 92FS… Ti amo!