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Julian:

I agree I have had “many personal attack posts relative to RSU.” These have been explained within the posts. However, unless you post a similar question to RSU then how can you justify questioning my “antics?” Do you think it’s appropriate for RSU to act like a hateful little child? Have you ever questioned this, or is it okay for those you agree with politically to act any way they want? Furthermore, do you consider your post to me as an “attack”? I’d like an answer to both of those questions please. Perhaps you need to do some soul searching?

I would only ask that you read my many other posts that were not directed at RSU. You don’t have to agree with them, but they are not hateful or immature!

“How can you justify the Bush administration attacking Kerry’s military record when Bush didn’t even go.” The Bush administration did not attack Kerry’s war record, it was the Swift Boat Vets for truth who attacked Kerry’s war record. In fact, President Bush lauded Kerry during the debate for his “service to his country.” You can’t get any better recognition than that from your political opponent.

Glad you chimed in Julian!

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lothario:

Thanks for the laugh. Excellent post!

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[quote]Right Side Up wrote:
Lumpy wrote:
I was interested to hear that Dan Rather and Donald Rumsfeld co-own some ranch property out west. That would indicate to me that he is not the partisan hack that some of you paint him out to be.

This true? Do you have a source?

Good analogy to the “working the refs” technique. It’s true, I think the feeling is: if you say it enough it’ll be true.[/quote]

I couldn’t tell you from the context, but I’m guessing this doesn’t amount to much. It all depends on how the ownership structure works. This could be anything from a time-share (all owners of weeks are “co-owners”) to an investment owned by a Real Estate Investment Trust (REIT) to an investment owned by a limited partnership (an LP) or a limited liability corporation (LLC) to an actual piece of property that has the names of both Dan Rather and Donald Rumsfeld on the deed as tenants in common to a bunch of other possibilities.

The only scenario in which Rather and Rumsfeld would have any meaningful connection to one another is the tenants in common scenario, which is also the least likely for tax and economic reasons.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
RSU:

I quoted you exactly!

Obviously, you have not found it yet. However, it’s there.[/quote]

It is not my job to look. I don’t remember everything I’ve ever said, but I do remember I’ve never said what you “quoted” me as saying.

Now, since you’ve quoted me, YOU should know where it is – so stop lying and cite the thread!

Either cite the thread or say that you were paraphrasing what you think or wish I said rather than quoting what I actually said.

Otherwise, lying is your latest attribute.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Julian:

Do you think it’s appropriate for RSU to act like a hateful little child? [/quote]

Thanks for offering your opinion Julian. To this day, ZEB’s never been able to substantiate his claims that I’m hateful or immature, despite a handy search tool that allows him to find anything I’ve ever said on this forum. He just says what he wants, regardless of reason.

Disregard this as well. He knows nothing of you, yet thinks you need character reconstruction. He would really appreciate it if you would PM him, requesting his guidance in searching for your soul. Pull ups are probably included somewhere in his recommendations.

True, the President always publicly acknowledges Kerry’s service. While he himself may respect it, it has been noted that Rove doesn’t – and is, not surprisingly, the mind behind the Swift Boaters – who’s campaign has done enough damage to Kerry politically, based purely on lies.

Having argued with ZEB at length, I know that he says this with it in mind that in this response to your question he has demoralized you and kicked you around. If you question him further or point out his mistakes, he’ll eventually target you and won’t stop until you’re gone. Don’t let him get away with it…

Keep chiming Julian!

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It’s the republican way, say it politely with a smile while accusing the person you are belittling as being hateful and angry.

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RSU:

I know where it is however it is not my responsibility to point it out. If you take the time and actually use your abilities you will find it.

The next time that you beg me to leave you alone you should note where and when you are stating it. Otherwise, you will once again cause yourself some great frustration.

As far as your latest hateful phrase: “lying is your latest attribute.”

I think that I, and the others will consider the source and move on. After all that’s all you can do with kids at times.

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RSU:

Would you call your following statement kind and considerate, or hateful and immature?

RSU stated: “JeffR does the “R” stand for retard or reject.”

There are plenty more like statements. If you really want to be reminded, just let me know.

(Note RSU may very well not be able to find that quote, as I suspect he does not want to admit that one either)

RSU stated: “He knows nothing of you, yet thinks you need character reconstruction.”

No, actually I think anyone who attacks another person for attacking another person on this forum is a bit confused. As far as character reconstruction, I don’t think Julian needs any at all. At least not from what I can tell. You on the other hand need some help!

I think that it’s odd that while you claim Rove is behind the Swift Boat Vets for Truth, you offer no proof whatsoever! Did you dream this latest reveleation. If not offer up the proof right now, or do the appropriate thing and apologize for yet another immature mistatement, which you are now being noted for!

RSU stated: “Having argued with ZEB at length, I know that he says this with it in mind that in this response to your question he has demoralized you and kicked you around. If you question him further or point out his mistakes, he’ll eventually target you and won’t stop until you’re gone”.

RSU, I think you are projecting a bit with this last installment. I am glad Julian “chimed in,” I really am. Sorry if you feel “kicked around and demoralized.” I have no idea why you are on the Political Forum, but for me it supplies me with an endless amount of entertainment and some good information as well. I want Julian to respond, and am in fact curious to read his response.

Maybe you need to take a deep breath and ask yourself why you are taking this so seriously. If it isn’t fun you might be approaching it wrong.

You only live once, relax. Perhaps if you were not constantly on the offensive, and gave people some credit you would enjoy yourself more. Just a thought.

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Zeb, as the “accuser”, it is indeed your responsibility to prove your accusation.

Isn’t that how it works when someone claims Bush did not perform his duties in the guard?

Isn’t the standard that CBS is being held up to?

Oh the hypocracy! Quit acting like a chump and sack up already…

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This thread and its latest diversion allows everyone to see quite clearly how and why you are nothing more than the boil on the political forum’s ass (direct insult, not so sure if it amounts to hate, however…?).

It is in fact your duty to cite the thread in which I “begged you” to stop challenging me. No such words were ever spoken, and you, my friend, are a boldfaced liar.

BTW, I did say that about JeffR, and if anyone looked up the thread (which would take 5 seconds…matter of fact, it’s in ‘Worrisome: Florida Voting Problems’…), they would see his obnoxious response that prompted it.

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Julian: See what I mean? We got ZEB over here saying “who’s my little bitch?” And then RSU pops off a couple of rounds and goes “I didn’t shoot you, muthafucka!” And then he pops off a couple of more rounds, just to be sure. It’s like a train wreck that I can’t look away from… I am really starting to like these guys.

Seriously though, about the service records, et al.: smearing is gonna happen. The fact that it occurs does not invalidate either candidate. I honestly think that neither Bush nor Kerry is that much in control of their respective spin and smear engines. They have highly paid consultants and advisors who handle that stuff for them. I have this idea where the campaign battles are more of a fight between the candidate’s handlers than each other. Which is good, if you think about it… Bush should be running the country, not running for re-election. And Kerry is a senator or something, right? That should be a priority for him. Just my 2.

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If RSU has a difficult time tracking his attack statements (and others) it’s is surely not my job to assist him!

Since you enjoy assisting RSU and you both seem to be on the same page relative to your political beliefs perhaps you can assist him. Someone should.

vroom stated: “Quit acting like a chump.”

That would be your job my friend…I’m not interested in infringing upon your territory!

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RSU:

I have plenty more of your hateful and immature words! It is you that has lowered the standard of this forum with your childish antics. It is I who have called you on them and you don’t much like it. Kids never like getting caught!

Would you like me to continue to quote your immature hateful posts? Just say the word.

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Actually I would ZEB, that would be great – thanks. Try to focus, particularly, on unprovoked “hate.”

While your at it, why not cite the thread in which I said the exact words that you quoted above?
–YOU CAN’T, BECAUSE I NEVER SAID THEM! And your unwillingness to admit this makes you a LIAR.

I’d also like for you to define “Hateful,” as you misuse this term liberally.

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It’s slow at work tonight. Let’s start some shit!

BLOWS WHISTLE

All right guys. In your corners.

ZEB, I’m afraid that you screwed the pooch on this one. Anybody can do a search for the phrase “stop challenging me”, and the only result will be this thread, when YOU mentioned it. You did not quote RSU, you paraphrased him. The exact quote he made was:

That was cut and pasted from the election 2004 thread. And as a side note, I’d like to add that RSU’s posts (the ones I’ve read lately anyway) are not “hateful”. Almost obsessive-compulsive? Yes. A little on the thin-skinned and defensive side? Yes. But definitely not “hateful” as you put it. He is quite obviously irritated as hell when you bring his name up, and feels like he has to defend himself against every little barb or remark that you make about him. The feeling I get from his posts is that he is internally choking down his anger as he deliberately and carefully types out his responses to your heckling. This is not hateful.

RSU: Relax, bro. ZEB is ultra-condescending to you because he is baiting you. Anyone can see that he is pushing your buttons. Don’t get me wrong, now, he can be a close-minded, irritating ol’ coot, but he is definitely not what somebody (I forget who, maybe it was me) called a “bitter old man”. He is cool as shit. And funny. Actually, both of you are. You guys seem to get so worked up, you know? ZEB’s got his snide, self-assured, tongue-in-cheek wisecracks, and you’re like a friggin’ business lawyer sifting through every little thing and calling him out on it. Are y’all sure you’re not married? :slight_smile:

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RSU:

More hateful personal attacks I see. Why am I not surprised.

Well…since you asked for it:

Here is another direct quote from RSU. He is showing us how much respect he has for the military:

RSU stated: “Perhaps it is your mentality to listen to what your told but, that shit don’t work with me…I can say what I want. So shove your orders up your ass.”

Shall I continue? They get worse.

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Zeb, you call that a hateful personal attack? Even quoted without context it doesn’t look very hateful or personal.

Maybe you need to up your meds or something?

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Would you like me to continue to quote your immature hateful posts? Just say the word.[/quote]

zeb, you should go find a completely uninterested stranger and ask them to read some of these threads, without letting on which of these individuals is yourself. I think you’d be shocked to learn whose posts most people would consider to be the “immature hateful posts”.

I know you won’t take my word for it, so try running it by a third party. It might open your eyes a little. Doubtful, but just maybe…

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Lothario1132-

Bro, I love your anology’s! I’d like to think I’m packing bananna clipped AK’s busting caps at will! Ha, ha, ha!

Zeb-

You’re starting to sound like old woman. Nothing against old women of course, you just sound like one!

RSU-

lothario is right on the money, he’'s baiting you and you’re biting. Leave his stink bait alone. You’re not a bottom feeder you’re a fucking Barricuda brother!

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RSU - Loth and elk are right… Though I don’t know if I’d call you a barricuda? Maybe thats just elks way of saying he likes you?

Anyways, I agree with Zeb on issues but I think he is definately (intentionally or not) pushing you’re buttons. Debate and even argument is fine but button pushing?

Hey if both of you are having fun with this back and forth, by all means continue.

Vegita ~ Prince of all Sayajins