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[Right_Side_Up]

Lothario, this is an excellent post. You ARE right on the money:

[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
It’s slow at work tonight. Let’s start some shit!

BLOWS WHISTLE

All right guys. In your corners.

ZEB, I’m afraid that you screwed the pooch on this one. Anybody can do a search for the phrase “stop challenging me”, and the only result will be this thread, when YOU mentioned it. You did not quote RSU, you paraphrased him. The exact quote he made was:

I don’t wish for this ridciulous banter to continue with ZEB.

That was cut and pasted from the election 2004 thread. [/quote]

Thanks for showing how easy this might be.

And as a side note, I’d like to add that RSU’s posts (the ones I’ve read lately anyway) are not “hateful”. Almost obsessive-compulsive? Yes. A little on the thin-skinned and defensive side? Yes. But definitely not “hateful” as you put it.

LOL…let me explain my perspective: I am fully aware that ZEB baits me (though at times I lose sight of it). My feeling, however, is that ZEB is a bully and will say whatever he wants however he wants to, then manipulates what others say, etc. I have made it a priority of mine, around here, not to let him get away with that crap. I’m not the only one he does it to, but if he can’t do it as easily to me because he knows he’ll never “get over on me,” perhaps he’ll straighten his shit out.

[quote]
He is quite obviously irritated as hell when you bring his name up, and feels like he has to defend himself against every little barb or remark that you make about him. The feeling I get from his posts is that he is internally choking down his anger as he deliberately and carefully types out his responses to your heckling. This is not hateful.[/quote]

While ZEB does get under my skin, I wouldn’t say that I’m “internally choking down” my anger! My posts typically don’t take too long to prepare, but I appreciate the compliment on my concise-ness!

[quote]
RSU: Relax, bro. ZEB is ultra-condescending to you because he is baiting you. Anyone can see that he is pushing your buttons. Don’t get me wrong, now, he can be a close-minded, irritating ol’ coot, but he is definitely not what somebody (I forget who, maybe it was me) called a “bitter old man”. He is cool as shit. And funny. Actually, both of you are. You guys seem to get so worked up, you know? ZEB’s got his snide, self-assured, tongue-in-cheek wisecracks, and you’re like a friggin’ business lawyer sifting through every little thing and calling him out on it. Are y’all sure you’re not married? :)[/quote]

LOL…point well taken. I’ll try to stop responding to ZEB’s “baiting.” But, please note, there will most likely be a time that he says some shit to me that I just can’t ignore, and I’ll pounce!

[ZEB]

[quote]vroom wrote:
Zeb, you call that a hateful personal attack? Even quoted without context it doesn’t look very hateful or personal.

Maybe you need to up your meds or something?[/quote]

vroom:

I don’t mind you being RSU’s toady, but for heaven sakes make some sense once in a while.

By the way if memory serves correctly that would be twice you offered the advice: “up your meds.” Is it possible that you are on some sort of medication and you are projecting this on to me?

I respect our military, even if you and your hero don’t!

[ZEB]

tme:

I stopped respecting your view a long, long time ago. One need only look back at some of your famous quotes to understand why. In fact, if there is one person on this forum more immature with less to say than RSU, it would be you! Sorry man, I know the truth is nasty at times…

I think you have been told that a few times by others, but then you know that.

[ZEB]

Oh my I better be careful, if not RSU will “pounce” on me (thanks for the laugh-and some say you have no sense of humor).

Regarding RSU’s previous quote from my prior post. I think that showed a complete disrespect for his target who was in the military. Yes, it was hateful.

However, RSU is not hateful all the time. Sometimes he’s just simply disrespectful. In fact, he has a record of disrespecting anything that he disagrees with.

Someone began a thread to honor deceased President Reagen. RSU would have none of that and tried to turn it into another one of his typical threads. He was told by several members to basically back off and go away. He had this to say:

“This is still just a thread not a funeral service.” He then continued…

Certainly not hateful, but highly inappropriate.

Which reminds me of a similar instance when someone began a thread on 9-11-04 to honor those who lost their lives in that horrible tragedy. Again, RSU would have none of it. Even though it was highly inappropriate, instead of honoring the dead he let the political trash talk fly. In fact, he riled up a few members that time.

This is what one of them had to say in exasperation, as the kid just would not leave it alone:

Jackzepplin: “I would like to tell you what I think of you, well just for being you. This thread was meant to reflect not for you to throw your trash.” Kids…

Anyone can go to either of these threads and read for themselves. Yes, RSU spews hateful posts, but beyond that he seems to cross the line every chance he gets. And why does he do this? Becuase he can! Typing hateful posts, disrespecting deceased Presidents, or the 3000 who died tragically. It’s all in a days work for the little fellow.

Stay tuned there is plenty more…

[JeffR]

Zeb,

Hey, I love RSU!!!

His posts help to promote my political point of view.

I want him to continue posting at will!!!

He does more harm to his party than I ever could.

For example, when he tries to trumpet Bob Graham as some sort of sage, I laugh out loud!!! I imagine him in a crowd of like minded sycophants. I hope the ventilation system was functioning well!!!

I don’t mind his personal attacks at all. I think they are hilarious. Every nasty comment he makes towards me, not only demonstrates the effectiveness of my arguments, but it gives rise to some pleasing imagery.

I imagine meeting him in person.

Zeb, please don’t be too hard on him. I don’t want him to leave (at least before November 2nd).

Take care,

JeffR

[Elkhntr1]

Jeffy-

You are the definition of a sycophant and whats with the “I imagine meeting him in person,”. What are you compensating for… a latent impulse? or shortcomings in self esteem?

[flee]

[quote]Elkhntr1 wrote:
Jeffy-

You are the definition of a sycophant
[/quote]

Hmm. Not sure about this. Is there such a thing as a narcissistic sycophant?

[Elkhntr1]

Flee-

Sometimes these type of personality disorders play dual roles.

[tme]

You know how much that hurts coming from you, my dear zebbelina.

[vroom]

RSU,

Congrats man, apparently you now have a toady.

Zeb,

I’ve been posting comments to support RSU because I know how it can sometimes be demoralizing if nobody stands up to call foul when someone is unreasonably attacking you.

You routinely cross the line in your posts as well. Too bad you don’t have the excuse of being young and impulsive to fall back on.

[ZEB]

vroom:

I can only quote my good friend RSU once again:

“Zeb why are you always compelled to stoop to the level of those you criticize?”

In this case I think he makes a very good point.

[ZEB]

vroom:

One more thing: Where were you when RSU was unreasonably attacking others? Is it alright if the one doing the attacking is more in line with your political thinking?

Be fair my friend…

[vroom]

Zeb,

You’ve been riding RSU for how long now? You have a one man vandetta against him. How does that possibly compare to heat of the moment flames directed to those participating in the argument?

Anyway, folks, I know why Zeb is such an ardent supporter of Bush, it’s because he can relate. You see, in Zebworld, things are pretty similar to Bushworld.

[lothario1132]

Bullshit vroom! In ZEBworld, everybody can do 30+ dead-hang chins! hehehehe

Seriously though, I think we can all agree that NOBODY (especially me in the religious threads) is allowed to point fingers at ANYBODY for “crossing the line” in an argument. It happens. Get over it. Hell, these forums wouldn’t be as much fun if we didn’t heckle the shit out of each other every once in a while! Now I don’t know about you guys, but I’m gonna reload, and start some more shit in a thread somewhere…

East coast thugz!

[ZEB]

vroom:

I think I see your point!

It’s okay to send hateful, arrogant, or inappropriate posts to anyone on any thread at anytime for any reason. You rationalize this by claiming it’s in the “heat of the moment.” Unfortunately, your little buddy (hey didn’t the Skipper call Gilligan his little buddy?) has built a message board career on these “heat of the moment” personal attacks.

However, if someone attacks the one who does those things then that becomes somehow wrong in your judgment. And you castigate Bush for his judgement? I’ll take Bushworld over vroomworld any day my friend!

vroom, your illogic is only exceeded by your willingness to do battle for your hateful little buddy.

Please keep them coming. I’m really enjoying your nonsense…seriously.

(Shaking my head, smiling)

[ZEB]

lothario:

Closing in on 40 dead hangers

[Right_Side_Up]

ZEB mentioned the Reagan thread, and he said that I ruined that thread with my hate. In review, I think he was wrong.

Here was my first post:

[quote]
“after today, the bar has been raised for the presidential candidates”

–>Just curious, why? Why did it take his death for the bar to be raised?

“Paul is just a typical hate filled liberal…”

–>Why, ZEB, are you always compelled to stoop to the level of those you criticize?

“Reagan was the first President whom I can consciously remember knowing was the leader of our country.”

–>Me too. I remember being a kid and being impressed by him. I also remember when my parents told me he wore make up (as does everyone who appears on TV) and I couldn’t figure out why he would! (This isn’t a knock on him, just a reflection of my childhood thoughts) [/quote]

Somewhere before my post some dude named “—Paul—” said too bad Bush isn’t dead. Terrible comment, no doubt, but I didn’t like what ZEB said in return (I seldom do!), which I quoted in the above outtake.

I didn’t like him pigeon holing all liberals that way – I, a fairly strong liberal, would never say something like that. Thus, I called him on it. He shot back, as did I, and he again, then I with:

“Since you seem to be obsessed with me, and whatever I post, why don’t we have this out on another thread. You may not respect former President Reagen, but I do. And this is not the time or place. Enough.”

–>You’ve got to be the weirdest man ALIVE! Obsessed? Don’t flatter yourself - I questioned a comment you made and I’d like to hold you accountable for it. You shouldn’t be able to get away with such ridiculous comments.

–>We don’t need a thread for personal attacks, I don’t want that - you could just say something like: “You’re right, I shouldn’t have pigeonholed all liberals based on one ignorant comment. Doing this made no advances toward a progressive thread.” You can’t do it, though.
–>Did you read my post re: Reagan? I respect him fine - so stop stating the untrue!

–>I understand the “time and place” thing, but this IS still just a thread, not a funeral service. By the by, I’ve not spoken poorly of Pres. Reagan, only questioned a comment of yours.

BRING IT ON ZEB!!! YOU FIRE ME UP!!!

Seems to me I didn’t do anything to disrespect Reagan or the thread. But, just because its a Reagan thread won’t stop me from calling out ZEB-meister when he says stupid shit.

On this very thread, a few posts following this one of mine, was this, by the wise man Doogie:

Kike,

I looked at my history books. They said that Latin American leaders are nothing but pimps who sell their people as if they were whores to the highest bidder, be it Communists or Capitalists. There is also a footnote about how no one in any developed country gives a rat’s ass about Latin America, except for their spicy tacos.

This might be considered hatefilled, perhaps. I don’t know. ZEB, what do you think? (note: Doogie says his wife is hispanic…which apparently exempts him from racist status, but I think this fact makes his statements only that much more curious…anyway,it’s another matter)

[Right_Side_Up]

ZEB also mentions my post on the 9/11 - A time to remember thread. My first post was this:

Since this is such a sensitive topic, and one that obviously hits you and most people (myself included) very emotionally, how does it make you feel to see Republicans exploit these events for political gain?

Consider this article, which rather succinctly and persuasively puts forward this idea:

Vote for Bush or Die
by JUDD LEGUM & DAVID SIROTA

Jack Zepplin responded to my second post with this:

I would like to tell you what I think of you for, well, just being you. This tread was meant to reflect, not for you to throw your trash, so I’ll keep my harsh opinions about you to myself in this tread.

Instead, I’ll take the rest of today to reflect on 9/11 and pray for the souls of the departed and their families.

Out.

Now I concede that perhaps I could have started another thread to raise my points about the Republicans capitalizing on 9/11, which they clearly have intentionally done…but I didn’t, sorry. My response to jzep was hardly hateful:

[quote]
I’m a native New Yorker. The attacks strike me very personally. They sadden me as a member of the group being attacked and also as an objective party who is awfully upset at what our world looks like now and what it seems to be moving toward.

9/11 IS a sensitive subject, but that doesn’t stop Bush’s campaign from politicizing it during their convention…in fact making it its theme. If this doesn’t upset you, neither should my post in this thread.[/quote]
Sorry ZEB, I try to call it like I see it. 9/11 was horrendous – and that is all the more reason that all of us who are still shocked when we contemplate what happened that day should be angry as hell at what the Bush campaign did around 9/11 and has done this entire campaign. My views, sorry.

I’m not a hater, I just crush a lot (of ZEB)!

[ZEB]

RSU:

I’m glad you agree with me! You should have started another thread instead of politicizing the 9-11 thread. You acted no better than the republicans you accuse of taking advantage of 9-11.

You should also have begun a new thread instead of sullying the Reagen thread. As you know I was not the only one who thought so. It’s called “respect.” You don’t have to agree with someone to respect them. For example I did not agree with much of anything that Jimmy Carter did as President. However, I still have respect for him.

When the man passes away (and I hope it’s not anytime soon) I would certainly show respect for him and not disturb a thread meant to honor the man. In fact, I would state why I respected him, while not agreeing with him. Simple.

Now let’s move on there is so much more ground to cover:

RSU stated to Peartmath: “You sound like a scared insecure little sissy.”

On a different thread he continues to attack Peartmath: “Oh shut the fuck up!”

Some would not call the above hateful. Then again if you are Peartmath it sure must have “felt” pretty hateful. At the very least it’s immature and yet another attempt to silence someone who does not share his views. It’s certainly not productive in any way.

RSU, perhaps you would like to do a search and explain to the forum why you acted in this manner?

[Lumpy]

Why don’t you move this to the Soap Opera forum, so we can argue about politics here.