Bush on Tehran

[JeffR]

[quote]aL-a-baby wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
I see numerous people bash Lixy in this forum, yet for some reason he/she is the only one ever posting long, well thought out arguments with links to support the argument.

Because personal attacks are much easier than well thought out arguments. Hasn’t FOX news taught you anything?
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Hey, al-a-baby,

Yes, Fox News has shown that alternative viewpoints are very threatening to liberal democrats.

Therefore, I am falling in love with Fox.

In fact, judging by your pathetic obsession with a news channel, it must be the greatest outlet for information known to man.

I’m sending you a Fox shirt.

JeffR

[Ren]

Just remember folks, we will be greeted as liberators, people will throw flowers in the streets while our troops march through Tehran.

There is nothing a civilian population loves more than a foreign army treading on its soil. A war with Iran is quite possibly the worst thing we can do right now.

[lixy]

[quote]therover wrote:
Bottom line…Arab ( and anti-Semitic ) blood stick to together in times of total crisis. The US is Israel in their eyes…whether those eyes are Iranian, Iraqi, Saudi, Egyptian, Lebanese, Syrian, etc. [/quote]

Well, thanks Mr. specialist.

Here’s what you don’t seem to know.

1- Arabs are Semitic.
2- Iranians are not Arabs.
3- i. The cluster bombs that kill and maim Lebanese kids everyday are Made In USA. Same goes for most of their weaponry.
ii. AIPAC is the 3rd most powerful lobby in Washington.
iii. The US vetoed UN resolutions critical of Israel about 40 times.

If SA is AQ, and they are our ‘allies’ then what the #### are we doing ?!

Don’t be naive. What happens in an oligarchy is well documented. You’re letting the interests of the big cats trample those of the citizens.

If you think corporations give a damn about flags or human life, think again.

Want to REALLY solve the ME crisis. Give back the land Israel occupies. It will NEVER happen…so…a ME crisis will endure FOREVER.

Unless the US steps in (or out for that matter), the plight of the Palestinian people is indeed likely to go on forever.

Regardless of how many nations we try to ‘Democratize’ It does not work. They LOVE being in crisis…it’s in their blood.

You’re one racist SOB, aren’t you?

[lixy]

[quote]Chushin wrote:
lixy wrote:
Regardless of how many nations we try to ‘Democratize’ It does not work. They LOVE being in crisis…it’s in their blood.

You’re one racist SOB, aren’t you?

It ain’t racism when it’s true. [/quote]

Go brush up on the definition of racism.

Racism

And BTW, what do you call your characterizations of Americans? “Friendly desciptions?”

What’s a desciption?

Anyway, I am critical of an American foreign policy ran amok - not the American people. I know for a fact that most US citizens are fed up with their government’s interventionism.

I am a fervent admirer of the ideal of the American forefathers, and hold the US constitution as one of the best man written documents. I am therefore extremely pissed at the complacency of some Americans in the face of half a century of atrocities committed in their name.

There is nothing remotely racist about my position.

[Gkhan]

Lixy,

How come you rip on American foreign policy and American cluster bombs and you never say anything about the piliferation of Russian made AK-47’s, and the rockets Hezbollah rains down on Israel? Don’t these weapons kill Israeli children as well?

There is nothing remotely racist about your position, but you are clearly anti-American regardless of what you may claim.

[therover]

Lixy…you don’t need to school me on Arab history or who they are. I am 1/2 Arab and have been to Lebanon prior to the devastation. It once was a truly beautiful country and the jewel of the region. But I was born here, so I am an American, and proud of it…just like you.

I know Arabs are Semitic…notice how I stated Arab AND anti-Semitic (meaning Iranian’s, etc.) stick together. Maybe I should have worded it non-Arab/non-Jew. I know the blood lines. So jumping down my throat for making a mistake is very nice of you.

I am NOT a specialist, but thanks for making me one. And I am not a racist, although you may be one for stating that I am. Just because I state something that I think is true, does that mean I am a racist …let alone an SOB at that ? State it to my face and that may be the last statement you make.

The interests of the big cats DO trample the citizens. Was that something you agree on ? There are MANY big cats in the USA that don’t give a damn about US citizens, so it’s not just in a oligarchy where that occurs.

And of course the US is going to veto UN resolutions against Israel because they mean NOTHING.

Try to continue the dialog in a civil manner since that’s what these forums are designed for ( at least I think so). But then again…I have to watch what I think and say in your presence huh ?

[lixy]

[quote]Gkhan wrote:
How come you rip on American foreign policy and American cluster bombs and you never say anything about the piliferation of Russian made AK-47’s, and the rockets Hezbollah rains down on Israel? Don’t these weapons kill Israeli children as well? [/quote]

Believe me, I am deeply saddened every time an Israeli innocent is hurt.

Hezbollah’s rocket arsenal consist of 122 mm Katyusha rockets for the overwhelming part. That’s very old technology with a 30kms range practically never hits its target. In Northern Israel, there are mostly Arab villages around which, T’sahal facilities were constructed (you won’t read that in the foreign press because of the censorship foreign journalists are subjected to). For some reason which I’m sure you can figure out, those villages have no bomb shelters. Still, Katyushas do a lot of noise but very little damage. That’s not to say that they’re harmless, but they look like kiddie toys compared to what you guys use.

Why am I bringing this up? Because you compared vicious cluster bombs to Katyushas. There are very solid reasons for the Oslo process and the Cluster Munition Coalition to exist.

Now, why am I not bitching about AK-47s? Two reasons. I believe in the right of people to have weapons handy and you are less likely to kill an innocent with an AK-47s than with planes dropping bombs.

Might also have to do with the fact that Russians sell weapons and the US give them away.

There is nothing remotely racist about your position, but you are clearly anti-American regardless of what you may claim.

I’ll urge you to study the following entry thoroughly.

Anti-Americanism

[lixy]

[quote]therover wrote:
I am 1/2 Arab and have been to Lebanon prior to the devastation.
It once was a truly beautiful country and the jewel of the region.[/quote]

Agreed. But what devastation are you talking about? There’s been so many.

But I was born here, so I am an American, and proud of it…just like you.

Just like me? I’m not American.

I know Arabs are Semitic…notice how I stated Arab AND anti-Semitic (meaning Iranian’s, etc.) stick together.

Now you’re saying that Iranians are anti-Semitic people? Do you even know what the term means?

Antisemitism

Maybe I should have worded it non-Arab/non-Jew. I know the blood lines.

I don’t get your point. Who do you think stick together?

And I am not a racist, although you may be one for stating that I am. Just because I state something that I think is true, does that mean I am a racist

When said statement judges people’s inability to live in peace based on their blood, it’s a clear-cut case of racism. Twist it anyway you want, it’s still racist talk.

There is no controversy about what represents racism. You may wanna educate yourself on the matter.

Racism

I called you a racist based on your behavior (writing in this case), not your race. So quit trying to turn this against me. It’s quite pathetic.

…let alone an SOB at that ?

Ok, that part was uncalled for. Sincere apologies.

State it to my face and that may be the last statement you make.

yawn

The interests of the big cats DO trample the citizens. Was that something you agree on ? There are MANY big cats in the USA that don’t give a damn about US citizens, so it’s not just in a oligarchy where that occurs.

Are you somehow under the impression that the US is not an oligarchy?

And of course the US is going to veto UN resolutions against Israel because they mean NOTHING.

If you mean to say that the opinion of the world means squat to the United States, you may be onto something.

If you’re trying to delegitimize the consensus of the body of nations with one sentence and a capitalized word, think again.

[lixy]

[quote]Chushin wrote:
lixy wrote:
What’s a desciption?

I wondered when you’d be reduced to picking on spelling errors, pathetic twerp that you are.[/quote]

Typo, then? Fair enough, I just don’t like ambiguity.

I’d have pointed out all of your grammar and usage mistakes, too, but decided it was a gross waste of time.

I’d actually appreciate it if you did. Having a native speaker help me improve my English is priceless.

Speaking of which, don’t you have better things to do than engage a bunch of infidels in idle chatter?

Infidels? Your extra-matrimonial sex life is your own business, not mine.

[pookie]

[quote]Chushin wrote:
And insincerely picking on typos is decidedly un-Islamic.[/quote]

What about sincere picking?

How many virgins is picking on a typo worth?

…with your psuedo-native English.

Of all the places to make another typo…

[Gkhan]

[quote]lixy wrote:

Now, why am I not bitching about AK-47s? Two reasons. I believe in the right of people to have weapons handy and you are less likely to kill an innocent with an AK-47s than with planes dropping bombs.

Might also have to do with the fact that Russians sell weapons and the US give them away.

I’ll urge you to study the following entry thoroughly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-american[/quote]

But more people around the globe are killed by AK’s then planes dropping bombs I’d bet.

I fail to see your logic, selling weapons is ok, but giving them away is not? Both are used for killing people regardless how they get into the hands of the killers. You do not condemn the Russian arms and make excuses for them because they are used to arm the enemies of the US.

[therover]

Lixy…just some retort on your last comments.

Agreed. But what devastation are you talking about? There’s been so many.

Does that matter ? The point was the country was once beautiful.

Just like me? I’m not American.

Sorry.

Now you’re saying that Iranians are anti-Semitic people? Do you even know what the term means?

I do not need an education on that. If you read my response, it was a mistake in wording. Lighten up with the wikipedia links.

I don’t get your point. Who do you think stick together?

The people in the region who are NOT JEWS. How’s that for to the point ? Hopefully I don’t get a wikipedia link.

When said statement judges people’s inability to live in peace based on their blood, it’s a clear-cut case of racism. Twist it anyway you want, it’s still racist talk.

So based on a statement about no one being able to live in peace for THOUSANDS of years, I am judging people ? There can be many differences of opinion, battles for land, resources, etc. that cause people to not live in peace…and none of that is a direct result of racism. Then again, it could be.

I called you a racist based on your behavior (writing in this case), not your race. So quit trying to turn this against me. It’s quite pathetic.

You can judge behavior based on internet postings ? WOW…you are in the wrong business. Maybe you should get your own television show. Maybe you should read other definitions of racism other than the wikipedia definition, or better yet, have more life experience dealing with people outside your little box you live in.

My point is, does it matter WHY you called me a racist. Just because it was based on my behavior, is it any different than if it was based on my race ? So how pathetic is that ?

yawn

You tired ? Get some sleep.

Are you somehow under the impression that the US is not an oligarchy?

Not at all…the point is, does it matter what type of government it is. Money is money.

If you mean to say that the opinion of the world means squat to the United States, you may be onto something.

Maybe not the US, but definitely G. Bush.

If you’re trying to delegitimize the consensus of the body of nations with one sentence and a capitalized word, think again.

I am not trying…I just did.

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[Inner_Hulk]

[quote]pookie wrote:
Chushin wrote:

…with your psuedo-native English.

Of all the places to make another typo…[/quote]
Hahahaha

[lixy]

[quote]Gkhan wrote:
But more people around the globe are killed by AK’s then planes dropping bombs I’d bet. [/quote]

True. But chances to kill people “accidentally” are much higher when one uses explosives.

Anything that kills indiscriminately and doesn’t allow room to differentiate between combatants and civilians is a weapon that shouldn’t be produced in the first place. But that’s just me…I guess.

Now, I can promise you that if you start a thread about the Russians or the Chinese selling mines, rockets, or any other “indiscriminate” military device, you’ll assured to hear me bitch endlessly about it.

I fail to see your logic, selling weapons is ok, but giving them away is not? Both are used for killing people regardless how they get into the hands of the killers. You do not condemn the Russian arms and make excuses for them because they are used to arm the enemies of the US.

Oh, you’d be amazed at how many AK-47’s are actually sold by the US, but that’s besides the point.

There was no logic involved. I said that my position might have something to do with the fact that Russians sell the weapons instead of handing them out like candy. It’s a feeling, not something I carefully thought about. A good analogy would be the difference between a person selling crack, and one giving it it for free. Both are immoral in my book, but one is clearly worse than the other.

And please don’t say that I don’t condemn Russian arms. A gun is of the same nature as a knife for me. I have no problem with either. Make it a rocket propeller, warplane, or WMD and then I’ll condemn them. Deal?

[lixy]

[quote]therover wrote:
lixy wrote:
I don’t get your point. Who do you think stick together?

The people in the region who are NOT JEWS. How’s that for to the point ? Hopefully I don’t get a wikipedia link. [/quote]

Well, that has the merit of being unambiguous. However, the argument is quite laughable.

Let’s see…who do we have in the region besides Jews? I’ll cite the notable countries only: Saudis, Iraqis, Turks, Syrians, Afghans, Iranians, Russians (and Soviet satellites), Pakistanis, and Egyptians.

Now, explain to me when or how any of those stuck together at any point in recent history. Last I checked, Iraqis were tearing Iran apart, Syrians are screwing up Iraq, Saudis are extremely hostile towards Syria, Russians were slaughtering Afghans, Afghans are destabilizing Pakistan, and Turks had very tense relations with Syria and basically anyone who didn’t like their oppression of Kurds.

I really don’t see how you can claim that non-Jews in the region stick together, but feel free to enlighten us. And by the way, I would also like you opinion on the thread’s topic.

[therover]

[quote]lixy wrote:

I really don’t see how you can claim that non-Jews in the region stick together, but feel free to enlighten us. And by the way, I would also like you opinion on the thread’s topic.[/quote]

What I mean is, when the shit hits the fan ( it hasn’t happened yet, but one scenario is Israel attacks Syria, worse case, they use a tactical nuke on them ), all the nations would band together regardless of un-common interests to fight against Israel. So I am sure that scenario didn’t enlighten you because you know that would happen.

As far as the topic of the thread…I do not agree with any of Bushes strategies or false threats. Remember, come 2008, it’s an election year. Watch how many times the terror threat is raised or there is some other nation threatening the US during that time. The Republicans will do anything to stay in power and to make the Dems look weak against terrorism.

I don’t think Iran is a threat to the US. I may be incorrect on this, but wasn’t it prior to the Iraq invasion that Iran was ready to self implode and oust the guy in there now ? Then, the US invades Iraq, and Iran suddenly becomes stronger, and then a threat.