[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:
Rezazadeh would actually hit himself in his stomach on the snatch.
haha, thats because his arms are so short he probably cant jack-off with out slouching.
I feel like in the Snatch, the bar should definitely come off the hips. However I dont like to think of it as “hitting” the bar off my hips because then the I tend to swing the bar out away from me instead of keeping it close.
In the case of the clean, I think it has alot to do with the individual. I feel like different arm, leg, torso lengths have a large influence on how one performs the lifts. All about those levers!
There is no pull after the hips come through. after you hit the bar with your hips you go under right away to catch, (hit and catch) If you are one of these people that does not believe in hitting the bar then you are using to much arms at the top, witch in my opinion makes your lift slow and your catch way to high, therefor sinking you into the whole. you Have to hit the bar as hard as you can so you have time to get under it. After you hit the bar you are not pulling the bar any higher, you are pulling yourself underneath the bar. If you do this the right way and get good at this the bar will not be out in front. when klockov or chigichev has that much weight on the bar they dont have time to pull the bar any higher after the hips come through. they are at an arch position at the top and then under! watch both of these lifters on youtube at the 2010 world championships on the side views. You will find both of there snatches from side views and you will see that It’s simple a hit and catch movement with max explosion. I am still learning everyday, these are my opinions. 2012
Yup, John, I’ve seen the same stuff from Chigishev. I’ll look at the Klokov vids right now.
[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:
Here’s an article by Charles Staley. In the section “What the hell is the scoop,” he seems to be saying something similar to what your coach is saying:
Not to get too theoretical here, but the question is, as a result of a powerful hip extension, does the bar go up because it gets “pushed” up by the thighs or does it “pulled” by the muscle of the hips? Is a bit of both? Should we care? I prefer to think of it as a pull where the bar happens to brush my thigh. It’s simpler, and it avoids the problem of getting, as Charles puts it, “too exuberant” and whacking away at the thigh.
At any rate, it sounds like you’re on the right track. Getting the bar around the knees and back to the power position can be difficult for many lifters, and the fact that you were able to do it shows progress. Understand that the power comes from getting into the power or “hang” position where the bar has no choice but to make contact with your thighs. That’s really all you need to worry about.[/quote]
I read that part of the article, there are number of things that are absolutely wrong in that section… if the bar is far enough back into your hips and you extend, and extend violently, your hips are gonna have a violent collision with the bar because of this.
Bump…(ha!)
In the snatch, with the hip crease as a reference, where should the bar make contact?
I hit my hipbone at times and it actually looks (to my uneducated eyes) like a good lift but it hurts like hell. Then I hit a bit too low I think, judging from the bruises…
[quote]debraD wrote:
Bump…(ha!)
In the snatch, with the hip crease as a reference, where should the bar make contact?
I hit my hipbone at times and it actually looks (to my uneducated eyes) like a good lift but it hurts like hell. Then I hit a bit too low I think, judging from the bruises…[/quote]
The bar should contact around the pubic bone or if your were to stop at this point and lift one leg the bat should actually rest in the crease of the hip. I believe this is why many teach this position (pubic bone) as where to hold the bar to find your correct snatch grip.
Just remember the contact is incidental as the hips are violently extending causing the collision as opposed to using the bump to get the bar moving, this would be wrong.
If I am mistaken, someone please correct me.
/resisting the urge to make some witty comment
//actually can’t think of any witty comments to make 
it shouldn’t bruise. Ideally if you keep the bar close throughout the whole lift, you’ll feel a bump but it won’t hurt. For the snatch the bump should be felt on the hips, not the thigh. For the clean people do different things, I personally am trying to raise the bar with my arms so that I can bump it at the hip crease just like the snatch.
If you get this right, you’ll start feeling really comfortable snatching
lol NewWorldMan 
Thanks for the responses guys. I think I’m starting to get it. But still getting bruised!
Now I’m starting to notice that when the bar hits my lower body, usually the lift is good.
There are two lifters that I never saw because they didn’t train at the same time as me. When I first saw them, I noticed that their tight fitting shorts have holes in the upper thigh area, probably because of repeated bumps with the bar.
when i practice hang snatch i feel the bar hit my hip for sure but in the clean i rarely feel the bar bump. i know my technique isn’t perfect but i always picture the violent straightening of my knees and hamstrings by pushing my hip forward lifted the bar, but i don’t get any “layback” like with the snatch. is this correct?
i see from the hang below the knee, the torso comes more upright and the legs straighted bringing the hip forward rather than working towards “humping”…
[quote]kalani2226 wrote:
when i practice hang snatch i feel the bar hit my hip for sure but in the clean i rarely feel the bar bump. i know my technique isn’t perfect but i always picture the violent straightening of my knees and hamstrings by pushing my hip forward lifted the bar, but i don’t get any “layback” like with the snatch. is this correct?
i see from the hang below the knee, the torso comes more upright and the legs straighted bringing the hip forward rather than working towards “humping”…[/quote]
If you “layback” more then there’s a greater chance that the bar will bump into your lower body area, or so from what I’ve found. The degree of your “layback” is influenced your “head lead”, i.e. how much you (hyper)extend your neck during the second pull.
The bar should NOT hit your pubic bone. If you stand with the bar, just bend your knees slightly without bending your torso, youll find that the bar grazes down a bit (about an inch), and thats the spot where it should hit. If your arms are long you might hit the pubic bone regardless and need to bend your arms during the pull but thats getting ahead of things…
[quote]GqArtguy wrote:
The bar should NOT hit your pubic bone. If you stand with the bar, just bend your knees slightly without bending your torso, youll find that the bar grazes down a bit (about an inch), and thats the spot where it should hit. If your arms are long you might hit the pubic bone regardless and need to bend your arms during the pull but thats getting ahead of things…[/quote]
Thanks GqArtguy. I’m still not too consistent where I make contact but now I know where I should make contact. I don’t believe I have long arms. I’ll try and get a video of one I thought was right.