[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
That’s it. I’m telling.[/quote]
The hell you will!!!
Tackles Emily
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Tell him to kick the other kids ass. Even if he loses, they will stop picking on him. If he gets caught or gets into trouble, back him up. If there is a parent conference encourage the other parent to teach their kid some fucking manners, because you are teaching your kid to defend himself from assholes.
Don’t let the system turn your kid into a fucking pussy. That is what it is designed to do: castrate boys for being boys.[/quote]
100% this
[quote]dirtbag wrote:
You know I had a really messed up childhood more so then most. I was a bully to 2 kids in school. Why?; cause I could and it felt empowering. I had no morals at that age. But when those kids fought back. I loved it then it was on. Then when I beat them into the ground. I would give them time to heal for round 2. Then it was on. What stopped me was my love for women. It was better then fighting.
He is small for his age. Even the “friends” he has pick on him a bit. He is Mamma’d a lot by Grandma and Mom. I want to help but I never had to deal with this before. I can tell Mom is not going to handle it right. She is a teacher and she might have good intentions I am afraid it will turn out bad for the boy.[/quote]
So he is your GF’s son and not your son, correct? And I am assuming that his dad is part time or not in the picture at all, and that before you came around the boy was over protected and (s)mothered by Mom and Grandma, who are brainwashed with “modern” child rearing ideas and may be unreceptive to what most men intuitively know about what boys need… Who now think that a karate class will make up for the their failure to give him enough masculine energy? (why do all single mothers think that a karate class will make up for a man not being around?) And in your opinion they will most likely hamstring whatever attempts (which they will view as radical) you make to allow the boys testicles to drop…
Is this what is REALLY going on?
Please clarify or refute my observation before we go any further…
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Tell him to kick the other kids ass. Even if he loses, they will stop picking on him. If he gets caught or gets into trouble, back him up. If there is a parent conference encourage the other parent to teach their kid some fucking manners, because you are teaching your kid to defend himself from assholes.
Don’t let the system turn your kid into a fucking pussy. That is what it is designed to do: castrate boys for being boys.[/quote]
Every word…gold. This would be my advice also. I’d also add that this would be an ideal time to introduce the boy to exercise along with his Karate. All a dad need do is point out that bigger, stronger, faster usually wins or never gets picked on in the first place.
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This is true - It’s never too soon to start them exercising. I had both of my sons “leg pressing” me even when they were in diapers. They are both big and strong for their age, so I’ve spent more time teaching them temperance and good judgment vs. dealing with bullies. Over the years there have been a few incidents (which I learned of AFTER the fact), which were handled the way I advised above with perfect success.
On one occasion, my eldest (who is 13 and taller than me) witnessed another boy being bullied in the boys room. So he just stood in between the bully and the victim. Didn’t say anything, just crossed his arms. The bully left and my son went back to class. Didn’t snitch. The victim ended up telling a teacher who got all of the parents involved, blah blah blah, which is how it came to my attention. I was very pleased with the way my son handled himself: he did the right thing while showing restraint. He was ten at the time.
The point I’m trying to make is that with the right guidance, children can have VERY good judgment - if you allow them to exercise it and motivate them properly.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Don’t let the system turn your kid into a fucking pussy. That is what it is designed to do: castrate boys for being boys.[/quote]
This is so true. One of my nephews, who is an absolute beast, was getting picked on for a while in his early teens. I told my brother to tell Timmy to pound the kids. He said there’s a zero tolerance for fighting. Great, so punks can make themselves feel cool by picking on the big kid and the big kid can’t do a thing about it. i suggested he tell him to rough the kids up a bit but keep it under the threshold of being a fight. He wasn’t comfortable with that.
I called him back and suggested Timmy say to one of the kids, in front of as many other kids as possible, that they were going to settle it after school. Then go straight to the principle and tell him someone better show up to stop it. Seems like a perfect plan to me. The other kids know he means business and he gets out of fighting. I don’t think my brother was comfortable with that either so I doubt he told that to him.
My nephew is now 16, 6’2 270 lbs. Some scrawney punk such as myself recently punched him in the balls in the locker room. Timmy put a death grip on the kids throat while pinning him against a locker. The story is the kid was close to passing out by the time one of the coaches got him off. Luckily, being a star of the football team & the star of the baseball team saved him from getting in any trouble.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]dirtbag wrote:
You know I had a really messed up childhood more so then most. I was a bully to 2 kids in school. Why?; cause I could and it felt empowering. I had no morals at that age. But when those kids fought back. I loved it then it was on. Then when I beat them into the ground. I would give them time to heal for round 2. Then it was on. What stopped me was my love for women. It was better then fighting.
He is small for his age. Even the “friends” he has pick on him a bit. He is Mamma’d a lot by Grandma and Mom. I want to help but I never had to deal with this before. I can tell Mom is not going to handle it right. She is a teacher and she might have good intentions I am afraid it will turn out bad for the boy.[/quote]
So he is your GF’s son and not your son, correct? And I am assuming that his dad is part time or not in the picture at all, and that before you came around the boy was over protected and (s)mothered by Mom and Grandma, who are brainwashed with “modern” child rearing ideas and may be unreceptive to what most men intuitively know about what boys need… Who now think that a karate class will make up for the their failure to give him enough masculine energy? (why do all single mothers think that a karate class will make up for a man not being around?) And in your opinion they will most likely hamstring whatever attempts (which they will view as radical) you make to allow the boys testicles to drop…
Is this what is REALLY going on?
Please clarify or refute my observation before we go any further…[/quote]
You hit the nail right on the head
My daughter was five -only fucking 5!- and she had a bully in day care. She was too afraid to handle it, but I’m a firm believer in self defense. I told her to handle it and how to do so, and that I’d always have her back in situations like that.
It took some time, but finally it happened. She gave the little shit a hammerfist to the cheek. I got called in, and there’s my baby girl, crying and scared and all that. I was so damned proud. I sat down asked what happened, and after finding out the story from the lady and my daughter, I looked right at my girl and told her we were going for ice cream and she did the right thing. The lady running the place was pissed!
Long story short, it’s up the parental figures to teach that kind of thing, because like someone already said, the system want to turn us all into robots that don’t stick up for ourselves. You have a chance to really teach the kid some thing that he can take with him for the rest of his life.
One reason to bodybuild, once a child is old enough, is the size intimidation factor. Bullies rarely pick on someone who looks like they can do some serious damage. I had my older boy in TKD for 9 years and using my OLY set starting at age 11. He never had any issues (he’s now at Annapolis too, if I can sneak that in there 
[quote]dirtbag wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]dirtbag wrote:
You know I had a really messed up childhood more so then most. I was a bully to 2 kids in school. Why?; cause I could and it felt empowering. I had no morals at that age. But when those kids fought back. I loved it then it was on. Then when I beat them into the ground. I would give them time to heal for round 2. Then it was on. What stopped me was my love for women. It was better then fighting.
He is small for his age. Even the “friends” he has pick on him a bit. He is Mamma’d a lot by Grandma and Mom. I want to help but I never had to deal with this before. I can tell Mom is not going to handle it right. She is a teacher and she might have good intentions I am afraid it will turn out bad for the boy.[/quote]
So he is your GF’s son and not your son, correct? And I am assuming that his dad is part time or not in the picture at all, and that before you came around the boy was over protected and (s)mothered by Mom and Grandma, who are brainwashed with “modern” child rearing ideas and may be unreceptive to what most men intuitively know about what boys need… Who now think that a karate class will make up for the their failure to give him enough masculine energy? (why do all single mothers think that a karate class will make up for a man not being around?) And in your opinion they will most likely hamstring whatever attempts (which they will view as radical) you make to allow the boys testicles to drop…
Is this what is REALLY going on?
Please clarify or refute my observation before we go any further…[/quote]
You hit the nail right on the head[/quote]
I want to give this issue the attention it deserves. I have to step out in a few minutes, but I’ll address this over the weekend when I have some time.
The situation sucks. My gut reaction is to tell you to find a woman who is better suited to breed with, but I’m sure that’s not what you want to hear. I’ll comment further later.
Tell him to punch the biggest one in the mouth
I agree with the kick the shit out of the other kids approach.I mean,people have this fear of fighting as if it’s going to end with someone knocked out or dead.The truth is that fighting doesn’t really hurt,it’s usually stopped before any real damage can be done in a school situation.
I know the child is only 4 years old so this sounds ridiculous,but if he lamps one of them,once,even in front of a teacher,the bullies are guaranteed to back off and even better,the bully he thumps will more than likely end up crying like a little bitch.
If he gets in trouble,as other posters have said,you can bring the bullying to light and go to town on the staff who are trying to punish the child for not being observant enough to see the bullying was going on.You could flip the entire situation around and make the staff defend themselves,and put the bullies in their place at the same time.It’s a perfect scenario in my book.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Tell him to kick the other kids ass. Even if he loses, they will stop picking on him. If he gets caught or gets into trouble, back him up. If there is a parent conference encourage the other parent to teach their kid some fucking manners, because you are teaching your kid to defend himself from assholes.
Don’t let the system turn your kid into a fucking pussy. That is what it is designed to do: castrate boys for being boys.[/quote]
100% agree.
Also to add hardcore karate in like korea might be decent to toughen up, But this kenpo,tiger showmans build self esteem crap is nothing but daycare. The wimpiest people you’ll find are people/kids you find did that crap. And at four there is no leigt hardcore fighting or sport training that’ll toughen the kid up.
Agree with teach him to throw a decent punch. Hopefully you boxed before? If not though it won’t take much.
just show him to not just swing his arm which’ll have no power get him to throw it straight out (it obv won’t be totally straight but as long as it’s not just him swinging his arm it’ll be ok)
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Tell him to kick the other kids ass. Even if he loses, they will stop picking on him. If he gets caught or gets into trouble, back him up. If there is a parent conference encourage the other parent to teach their kid some fucking manners, because you are teaching your kid to defend himself from assholes.
Don’t let the system turn your kid into a fucking pussy. That is what it is designed to do: castrate boys for being boys.[/quote]
nail head you hit.
[quote]imhungry wrote:
Emily’s a big fat dork.[/quote]
Oddly enough I see this type of insult returning. For example a group of kids will be seen looking “uncool” a “cooler” kid will walk by and shout “DORKFEST!” at first I thought this was a parody of old school Nickoledeon cartoons but this has really made its way back into teen vocabulary. Just something I thought was funny.
I tough it was about you getting bullied Dirtbag LOL
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Don’t let the system turn your kid into a fucking pussy. That is what it is designed to do: castrate boys for being boys.[/quote]
I’m reading the book of Fight Club at the moment and I never realised how true this was until it was raised in the book.
‘‘A generation of men being raised by women.’’
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
My gut reaction is to tell you to find a woman who is better suited to breed with…[/quote]
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Take him out of Karate and put him in a real combat sport. Boxing, Muai Thai, Jui Jitsu, ect… Karate is a COMPLETE waste of time as a self defense in my opinion. I was in Karate as a young kid, I then transitioned to boxing, the difference was night and day. The first month I was in boxing, I was literally scared to go, it was vicious and the gym did not have AC, it didn’t baby you, it was all or nothing, no parents (unless the parents were trainers) and no complaining or crying.
Put him in a real vicious combat sport now at a young age and he will grow up and know how to defend himself better than 99% of people out there.
The best piece of advice my grandfather ever gave me:
“If someone is picking on you hit them back, even if they are bigger; if you hit them hard enough they will never mess with you again”.
OK, Here’s my line of thinking about relationships, life partners, and choosing a mate. If you are going to be “settling down” with a woman (this logic can also be applied to a woman looking to settle down with a man), you must determine their “fitness” as a possible parent. I’m serious.
If you end up LIKING a girl, you end up STAYING with her. The relationship evolves. You move in together. The next step is marriage and children. She may SAY she is not looking for those things, but at a certain age the “biological clock” WILL kick in… and your first warning may be the “I’m pregnant and I’m keeping it” conversation. (that being said, PROTECT YOUR SEED AT ALL COSTS - ESPECIALLY if she is “on the pill”)
Now, given the significant probability that a Long Term Relationship MAY result in marriage or children, you owe it to you potential offspring to choose wisely. Choosing wisely also means taking SERIOUS consideration when “shoplifting the pussy from a single mom”. Now, I’m gonna piss some people off here. Oh, well. Think long and hard before you divide your resources from your own offspring. That isn’t to say you should NEVER do it, but take some time and really consider ALL of the ramifications. Essentially, you will be taking resources (time, money, attention, patience, situational awareness, etc…) from your OWN children, thus effectively reducing their likelihood of success/survival/fitness and giving it to a set of genetics that is NOT YOUR OWN. Biologically speaking, this makes no sense. Unless you have way above average means, then it is an act of charity.
Make no mistake, this is a HUGE sacrifice. Now, that isn’t to say that sometimes it isn’t warranted. If it is an exceptional woman with exceptional children who have demonstrated potential and character this could very well be a positive thing. But you found a woman who has a kid that at age FOUR, shows all the signs of the weakness that comes from being raised by a woman and who also subscribes to modern FAULTY, POLITICALLY CORRECT methods of child rearing… And the “karate babysitting school”, that in her mind will somehow make up for her failures as a parent, and give him the much needed influence of masculine energy, will only PERPETUATE the problem: EVERY KID WILL GET A TROPHY SO THEIR LITTLE TINY FEELINGS WONT GET HURT. As has been raised before on these forums, this concept is BULLSHIT. But it prevails. And she thinks it is a good idea. THIS MAKES HER UNWORTHY OF YOUR SEED.
Now, you can educate her and try to have her come around to your ideas, but as a teacher, my guess is that she’s already pretty convinced that she’s right, and, after all, SHE is the one with the degree on the subject, WHO ARE YOU to tell her she’s wrong… (amiright on this?) She has already demonstrated that she turns boys into pussys. DON’T CONDEMN YOUR POTENTIAL SON TO THIS FATE.
This is serious business. At the end of the day, when it’s all said and done, YOUR CHILDREN are the ONLY thing on this earth that truly matter. They are your immortality. They are an extension of all that is good in you. They have a chance to do things and explore opportunities that were never available to you. They can HONOR you, or SHAME you… The choice is yours. Who you breed with will have a direct impact on the success and survivability of your kids… Choose wisely.
This has been written assuming you are in a serious relationship with this woman. If you are not, do your self and her a favor and get out of it because it will only lead to hurt feelings all the way around.
Good luck.