[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
If you hunt for sport you. Should make it a real sport and wrestle the animal to death or at least only use blunt objects…
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Oh, I use a blunt object alright. No problem there.[/quote]
What Cal?
no reference, looks like my .308s
[quote]spiderman739 wrote:
Fox hunting in it’s current form does not predate the Romans.
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Of course not.
Yes it IS a form of class warfare and no it’s not practiced by the ‘middle class’ ONLY by the upper classes, landed gentry and aristocracy.
I’ve lived in England too. No one in England hunts foxes bar a small clique of public school old boys.
If vegetarians love animals so much, why do they eat all of their food?
I’ll clarify my answer.
[quote]spiderman739 wrote:
Fox hunting in it’s current form does not predate the Romans. The first recorded fox hunts with hounds was in the 16th Century as a means of pest control.
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That may be when hounds were introduced but hunting foxes on horseback has been practiced by the British nobility always.
Hunting on horseback(and service in the cavalry) was confined to those who could afford to keep a horse, i.e. aristocracy, landed gentry and later the ‘new men’(men who came from obscurity and aquired their wealth in the industrial revolution.) All these classes formed what the English called the ‘upper classes.’ They went to their own schools(Eton, Harrow etc), universities(Oxford, Cambridge etc) and comprised the officer class in the army and navy and the upper levels of the public service.
The fox hunting ban was just the last act in a long fight against these classes, but particularly the aristocratic class. This class warfare against the nobility comprised rising estate taxes which impoverished the nobility and the diminishing of the powers of the House of Lords.
Me neither. I’ve got some great foxhunter prints and chinaware though.
Nonsense. The cunning and speed of the fox is evenly matched against the riding and tracking skill of the hounds and hunters. It’s an ancient, noble sport.
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
If you hunt for sport you. Should make it a real sport and wrestle the animal to death or at least only use blunt objects…
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Naked with a pike, always.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Me neither. I’ve got some great foxhunter prints and chinaware though.
Nonsense. The cunning and speed of the fox is evenly matched against the riding and tracking skill of the hounds and hunters. It’s an ancient, noble sport.[/quote]
You have never been on a fox hunt so how can you possibly know how matched it is? You, like me, are just saying what you think.
And it isn’t an ancient and noble sport. Fox hunting as it exists now is no older than 18th century. Comparing it to what they were doing in ancient times is, as you put it, nonsense.
Well, the fox hunting clubs, many of which were established long before the 18th century don’t think it’s nonsense. Like I said, hunting on horseback has been practiced by British aristocracy always. The introduction of hounds was just part of its evolution.
Forgive me if I don’t read all six pages. However my stance can be easily summarized, kind of :o ] Banning the sport of hunting is never going to happen in America. Private land anyone? As for England, don’t forget the government there is not really limited in what they can or cannot get away with, especially over time. Right now America is headed down the Socialist path, but I can change only myself.
As for the cruelty in the sport in bull fighting, I think the bulls should face the human competitor with no hindrances. The bulls are stabbed in their necks so their heads drop and the killing of the beast is then easier for the matador. That would be like cutting a hamstring of the human prior to the fight. If someone wants to kill a bull with a sword and a cape, man the fuck up and face your competitor with their full capacity to fight!! If the bull does actually beat the matador they then destroy the bull. Logic would tell me to use the animals as a breeding stock while they fight. If they can never be beat by a matador, the bull should get all the cow poontang he can handle.
As for fox hunting, this is similar to hunting mountain lions with dogs. All men have to do is pay the owner of the hunting dogs and then find a fox or mountain lion to track and kill. Dogs have the amazing abilities they have for a reason. If ten people picked on one person, what are the odds? In reality I don?t really like foxes or coyotes but again, man the fuck up and kill the foxes and coyotes by yourself! Modern day rifles can easily shoot four hundred yards (often many more) all day long. IMHO people should actually hunt the fox/coyotes/puma by themselves and actually work for the kill. Killing coyotes is almost as easy as fishing, especially with a coyote call. Trapping can be cruel if the lines are not checked religiously, like once a day. If someone breaks that hypothetical rule even once, pull their license for life.
These are just simply my views after living my life for thirty two years ; )
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]spiderman739 wrote:
…And it isn’t an ancient and noble sport. Fox hunting as it exists now is no older than 18th century. Comparing it to what they were doing in ancient times is, as you put it, nonsense.
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Bullshit.
Ever since Cain started chasing his sisters around the land of Nod there has been fox hunting.
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Fox hunting as it exists now. Nobody is disputing that foxes have been hunted for ages. I am talking about fox hunting as it exists now. Chill out grandpa 
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
[quote]apbt55 wrote:
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
sooner or later all forms of sport hunting will be banned. it started with the banning of killing whales it has moved to many other species. its not going to stop and thank god for that. [/quote]
The more I read from this fool, I think it is some 18 year old twilight obsessed female.
seriously, just because you live in a city and are sheltered from reality, doesn’t mean other people don’t actually hunt to eat or feed others.
Animals are food get over it. [/quote]
No, hunters use that their pitiful excuse to kill animals. “to feed their families” thats total crap. why not go to the grocery store and get them some food thats actually good for them. Oh, and i hate Twilight. My point is, why are animals food and humans aren’t. why do we get to decide that animals are food. who are we to decide that. I decided that all hunters are cowards and should all die a painful death. [/quote]
I think you should push for legislation banning the bigger fishes from eating the smaller fishes. It’s all just…so cruel.
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
[quote]Edevus wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Never said ‘all.’ But I think the fact that you and roguevampire - the only two people who expressed approval of the bans, both expressed contempt for human life. Not the first time I’ve had responses like that from “animal rights” activists either.[/quote]
Disdain for human life? absolutely not. But I realize that humans are the most vial, disgusting, violent creatures to ever live on this planet. Most by nature, are all assholes. Not all people, just alot of humans are. I don’t think animals should be held above humans, just on a level playing field. [/quote]
I’m eating a steak right now, and it is deeeeelicious. There’s a place for all god’s creatures, right next to the mashed potatoes. nomz…
I probably could not shoot a fox (or a wolf for that matter).
It’s like when you see the news of a child abduction. As a dad I naturally put my child’s face on the victim out of empathy.
I see my own beloved dogs in every fox and wolf as well.
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
So now we have a vegetarian vampire in our midst, huh? Rogue, you don’t bathe in blood, you bathe in sheer stupidity.[/quote]
If im stupid, then every member of peta and every animal rights group is also stupid. first, sport hunting will be banned. then, after that, meat itself will be banned. it may take quite a few years for that to happen, but it will happen. Mark my words.
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yes, yes they are and so are you
I have a question for you ID. You share a bed with your wife, I assume. Do you share that same bed with your dog?
Equating a child abducted on the news to shooting a fox that decimates the bird populations, well that is a stretch for even me at 6’7" :o ]
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I probably could not shoot a fox (or a wolf for that matter).
It’s like when you see the news of a child abduction. As a dad I naturally put my child’s face on the victim out of empathy.
I see my own beloved dogs in every fox and wolf as well. [/quote]
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Well, the fox hunting clubs, many of which were established long before the 18th century don’t think it’s nonsense. Like I said, hunting on horseback has been practiced by British aristocracy always. The introduction of hounds was just part of its evolution.[/quote]
there was also all manner of “bloodsport” back then. what is your position on other so-called “bloodsports”.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Well, the fox hunting clubs, many of which were established long before the 18th century don’t think it’s nonsense. Like I said, hunting on horseback has been practiced by British aristocracy always. The introduction of hounds was just part of its evolution.[/quote]
there was also all manner of “bloodsport” back then. what is your position on other so-called “bloodsports”. [/quote]
I support bans on dog fighting. I think it’s a nasty business.
