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[quote]apbt55 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:<<< dogo argentino >>>[/quote]When I was doing professional agitator work in my younger years the one dog that made me think twice about how great an idea this might be was an argentine dogo named Zorro. That beast almost broke skin through a kevlar lined Ray Allen sleeve. Even with the equipment on I wound up with my arms and my ribs all bruised up n purple. Took the first bite on a regular sleeve without scratch pants and learned my lesson with that monster. Man that dog was strong. Even at barely a year old. She handled him wrong though and he wound up on a roof in Brooklyn.
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who owned Zorro; I think I remember hearing or reading about the dog.[/quote]

Are the Dogos used like catch dogs or trackers. They look interesting, any good breeders stateside?[/quote]

A good, finished dogo can do both but the problem is they don’t have a better nose than the commonly hunted hounds. Even some of the old guard Argentine hunters are employing crosses to find prey.

If I knew someone that could consistently give you a good dog, I wouldn’t have imported from Argentina :slight_smile: I know some guys that hunt dogos hard stateside; they are probably your best bet if you’re really interested.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
I’ve actually been interested in possibly getting a Cane Corso for some time now. Did a little research and the closest breeder is 250 miles up the road in Calgary.

Any of you guys have any comments on the breed or puppy selection or anything else related to my interest?[/quote]

I don’t like them. They are the quintessential example of the breed without a job. As a result, I tend to think they are unstable and can be inappropriately aggressive and even shy. And as you know, a big strong dog like that is a liability if it’s not sound. I never met one I liked and my old business partner owned a few.

When a dog has a vocation, the dog can be evaluated based on objective criteria. Such a dog will likely have been under stress at some point too which we both know allows the appropriate evaluation of man and animal alike. When a dog has no vocation, no stress, and no objective evaluation - on what basis do we decide to breed it? I’ll tell you; on beauty. And that’s the worst reason you can breed a dog. And that’s what the Cane Corso is largely bred upon.

Although Cane Corso’s may be used for some work, they do not top the list for any vocation I can think of. They are not premier protection dogs. They are mostly a novelty in that field. Similarly, I know of no serious hunter that uses Cane Corso’s to hunt (at least in the US). I think most of them would have no interest or, once asked to engage, would soon quit. By contrast, I can take 10 random pitbulls from shelters and at least half of them would engage a boar, and not quit.

Given the lack of depth as it relates to “work”, would you really want one?

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

A good, finished dogo can do both but the problem is they don’t have a better nose than the commonly hunted hounds. Even some of the old guard Argentine hunters are employing crosses to find prey.

If I knew someone that could consistently give you a good dog, I wouldn’t have imported from Argentina :slight_smile: I know some guys that hunt dogos hard stateside; they are probably your best bet if you’re really interested.
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I will have to look into it, I have a lot of respect for catch dogs too. With the breeding boars being around 1000lbs would be handy for escapees and moving them. Save some of the wear on the pits. plus I like experimenting with new animals.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
I’ve actually been interested in possibly getting a Cane Corso for some time now. Did a little research and the closest breeder is 250 miles up the road in Calgary.

Any of you guys have any comments on the breed or puppy selection or anything else related to my interest?[/quote]

I don’t like them. They are the quintessential example of the breed without a job. As a result, I tend to think they are unstable and can be inappropriately aggressive and even shy. And as you know, a big strong dog like that is a liability if it’s not sound. I never met one I liked and my old business partner owned a few.

When a dog has a vocation, the dog can be evaluated based on objective criteria. Such a dog will likely have been under stress at some point too which we both know allows the appropriate evaluation of man and animal alike. When a dog has no vocation, no stress, and no objective evaluation - on what basis do we decide to breed it? I’ll tell you; on beauty. And that’s the worst reason you can breed a dog. And that’s what the Cane Corso is largely bred upon.

Although Cane Corso’s may be used for some work, they do not top the list for any vocation I can think of. They are not premier protection dogs. They are mostly a novelty in that field. Similarly, I know of no serious hunter that uses Cane Corso’s to hunt (at least in the US). I think most of them would have no interest or, once asked to engage, would soon quit. By contrast, I can take 10 random pitbulls from shelters and at least half of them would engage a boar, and not quit.

Given the lack of depth as it relates to “work”, would you really want one?[/quote]

First of all, I don’t hunt with dogs so that’s not a consideration.

I do enjoy working with athletic, powerful dogs hence my past ownership of Rotts, Dobies and the present Pit. None of them however exhibited the personal protection aspect ascribed to the breeds (at least to my expectations). Now that may be merely a failure on my part to do the proper training in that regard, I will concede that. So my interest in the CC is partly founded on that.

In regards to your thought on temperament of the CC I’m wondering if that’s what the this Calgary breeder was referring to in several instances here: http://darkstonekennel.com/introtodogs.html

I’m not hellbent on owning one just yet so I do appreciate your input.[/quote]

I only used hunting as an example to illustrate a vocation.

It matters not what a dog does, but in my opinion, a big powerful breed like that need some “vocation” to be objectively evaluated under. The point is, dogs that can perform a vocation or activity reliably with human usually have steady nerves and good temperament. Steady nerves and good temperament is what you want for your pet. Like produces like. It’s a breeding issue; not necessarily a what you want to do with the dog issue :slight_smile: When a breed doesn’t have a vocation, what you usually have is a pedigree / family tree based on a beauty contest; and as I’ve said, that’s a terribly flawed basis for breeding a dog.

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To add to BG, Working dogs like to work. They need tasks to do, it helps them maintain a steady temperament and gives them a role with in the structure of your family. They have a lot of drive and if you do not give them a task on which to focus it, it will go somewhere else, and probably not where you want it to.

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This stuff is pathetic, He is in trouble for getting rid of a vile creature. You cannot discharge a firearm, so he let his dog do it.

Se here is how I see this crap. I have to put up fences to to keep my animals on my property, all of them, and need to maintain control of them. The only reason there are laws on wildlife is because the government says they are the property of the state or government, so therefor they should be responsible for keeping their nuisance animals off of my property.

Otherwise I have the right to kill said animal, no matter what it may be, to protect my property, and if there is damage, then this so called government entity should be responsible for the damages and whatever losses those damages may cause.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]apbt55 wrote:

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This is astounding.
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I’d like to know more about this b/c terrier-men all over this country hunt raccoon. We hunt them in their natural habitats and “barn hunting” is very popular in the midwest. It’s legal.

The ONLY thing I can imagine is if the prosecution was alleging that the kid caused unnecessary suffering by not dispatching the coon sooner? But when you set a dog upon another animal, you cannot always get an early clean dispatch. They can be fighting in a den, or under the flooring of a barn before you can even get to them to dispatch the varmint. Yes, varmint.

At first blush, this prosecution is fucking appalling. I did not watch the video though.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

More meat procured for the freezer this afternoon while you yayhoos were arguing here on PWI.

I think I’ll invite RogueVeggie over here for a BBQ.

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You killed Bambis mom…

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This is a current picture of my meat freezer, this was a steer from the end of the Summer. 830lb hoof weight, just over 400lb of meat. Not bad, but it was young, not a lot fo thick dense bone and almost no fat, like a grass feed beefer should be.

The temp just dropped and will stay down so I will get a couple of young bucks or doe over the next couple weeks. Wanted to be sure the temp would stay consistently below 40 so it so it would be under 45 in the shed I want to hang and cure them in.

Was going to process 5 roosters and some older hens this weekend too, but that plan was changed for me. I separate them out, move them upfront next to the house and feed them grain mash with some milk mixed in to flavor the meat the week before butchering. I happened to have all the dogs in the house 2 nights ago and some varmint killed them all. The only thing left was piles of feathers in places and dragged into the woods, and also the pricks ripped the head of my brahma rooster and left the body in the yard. I think it was coyotes, but others I talk to said it sounds like a family of coons. Either way, the plans for the weekend are trapping, killing and training the new female we got to track and kill varmint.